Question is in the title.

I want to request for a unalias because markings on collars, necklaces, and chokers are definitely NOT the same as neck_markings.
I have checked the alias history and I cannot find an associated forum topic or discussion about these aliases.

Anybody know what's up with that? I feel that a more appropriate alias would be text_on_choker/text_on_collar/text_on_jewelry, but that is only reserved for text and not intricate markings.

thegreatwolfgang said:
Question is in the title.

I want to request for a unalias because markings on collars, necklaces, and chokers are definitely NOT the same as neck_markings.

Quite likely they were confused for it. e.g. collar_markings being used where something like collar_(marking)/neck_markings was intended (glove_markings is aliased to gloves_(marking), too). If they're to be unaliased, I would also suggest invalidating/disambiguating them since it's ambiguous as to meaning markings on collars/etc or markings of collars/etc.

I feel that one of the reasons might be the wiki definition for markings which states that it is a "pattern or design on the character's body", so anything that is not on the body gets aliased to where the closest body part is(?) But the alias still does not make sense since they are not the same thing.

Do you think that a non-body_markings tag would be appropriate? Or a rename of collar/necklace/choker_marking to something more aligned with current standards (if any)?

thegreatwolfgang said:
Do you think a non-body_markings tag would be appropriate? Or a rename of collar/necklace/choker_marking to something more aligned with current standards (if any)?

Renaming and re-aliasing the collar/necklace/choker_markings tags to collar/necklace/choker_(marking), to standardize with the gloves/socks/etc markings tags, makes sense. For markings on the objects themselves, maybe tags like patterned_collar/necklace/choker could work? Along with striped_x, spotted_x, mottled_x, etc.

watsit said:
Renaming and re-aliasing the collar/necklace/choker_markings tags to collar/necklace/choker_(marking), to standardize with the gloves/socks/etc markings tags, makes sense.

It would not fit the definition for *_(marking) tags, which says typically say that the object is giving the impression that it is there.
E.g., glove_(marking) means that there are markings on the arms that resemble gloves, while not wearing any actual gloves.
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For markings on the objects themselves, maybe tags like patterned_collar/necklace/choker could work? Along with striped_x, spotted_x, mottled_x, etc.

Using pattern_* tags might actually work though, but it implies that there is a pattern to it rather than a random collection of blots.

thegreatwolfgang said:
It would not fit the definition for *_(marking) tags, which says typically say that the object is giving the impression that it is there.
E.g., glove_(marking) means that there are markings on the arms that resemble gloves, while not wearing any actual gloves.
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Yes, so collar_(marking) would similarly give the impression that there's a collar, but it's just coloration and not an actual collar. collar_markings and the others were aliased to neck_markings likely because it kept getting used for that, but just as glove_markings is aliased to gloves_(marking), collar_markings would be better aliased to collar_(marking) (which itself would imply neck_markings).

watsit said:
collar_markings and the others were aliased to neck_markings likely because it kept getting used for that, but just as glove_markings is aliased to gloves_(marking), collar_markings would be better aliased to collar_(marking) (which itself would imply neck_markings).

Hmm, that might be true as well, seeing how many other *_(markings) tags get aliased to *_markings.
I guess aliasing them to collar/necklace/choker_(marking) could work, but practically how often would you think they will be used (i.e., collar/necklace/choker-shaped markings on the body)?
This might also be the reason why it was all aliased back to neck_markings in the first place.

thegreatwolfgang said:
Hmm, that might be true as well, seeing how many other *_(markings) tags get aliased to *_markings.
I guess aliasing them to collar/necklace/choker_(marking) could work, but practically how often would you think they will be used (i.e., collar/necklace/choker-shaped markings on the body)?
This might also be the reason why it was all aliased back to neck_markings in the first place.

If there's difficulty distinguishing between collar_(marking), choker_(marking), etc, having them aliased to neck_markings may make sense. So basically leaving the tags as they are.

Then, the discussion comes back to finding a tag for "markings" on non-body objects. The pattern_* tags would be a nice substitute but it would indicate that there is a pattern (e.g., stripes) rather than a patternless mark (e.g., a dragon silhouette on an object).