Hello everyone, Boom here. I have noted that my art usually get's downvoted, and I can understand why, I barely have a month drawing, so my art style might not be pleasant to everyone. But that's just a detail, my main problem that I have is that I still use bases to draw, they are not other's people work so don't worry about that. Yeah I use a 3D humanoid doll model, I pose it, trace the silouethe and then proceed to draw the main details of the character in question (Fur, Nose, Eyes, Hair, Etc). Thething is, recently reading a forum post I noticed that that kind of tracing is not allowed as a practice in this website. Should I stay on FA for now? Also I have noted that my posts usually takes weeks to approve, not sure if it is because I upload them at a bad time (Time zones for example), or if it is it's questionable quality that make the moderators take their time.
If this is true well I guess I'll have to request all my submissions to get deleted, maybe I'm not cut for E6's quality standards yet, I have a long road of art improvement ahead of me to finally reach that point.
I apologize for the wall of text and poor English, but it is not my main language.

I would say that depends on you. Just don't delete it just because it keeps being downvoted.

I would also say that you might need to branch out from using bases and start drawing from life use references based on real life.

absoluteboom said:
If this is true well I guess I'll have to request all my submissions to get deleted, maybe I'm not cut for E6's quality standards yet, I have a long road of art improvement ahead of me to finally reach that point.

Personally, I'd say there's no need to do that. Some of your art has been accepted, so you are at least capable of making art that passes the quality standards. Other pieces are still pending and may or may not be accepted, but there's no real point to proactively requesting them to be deleted, in my opinion. The ones that are considered good enough to be here will be approved and can stay, so requesting a deletion will cause these acceptable pieces to be needlessly deleted, while any that may not be considered good enough will get deleted anyway, so requesting a deletion isn't needed to have them taken care of.

If you don't feel confident enough in your art to pass the quality standards here, you can keep it to FA while you improve. Then after a while of making progress, you can try uploading here again. Maybe you'll even eventually find people uploading your art here after making some progress and it being more readily accepted, and you can start uploading here on your own again as you keep improving even more.

I see, yeah the first two pics that I uploaded got approved, wich surprised me, I really want to keep posting my art, but I was worried about the whole Tracing thing.
Thanks everyone.

"Tracing thing"?

furrin_gok said:
"Tracing thing"?

This I suspect:

absoluteboom said:
Yeah I use a 3D humanoid doll model, I pose it, trace the silouethe and then proceed to draw the main details of the character in question (Fur, Nose, Eyes, Hair, Etc).

As far as I know, taking a 3D model and posing it yourself, outlining the silhouette of that pose, and drawing in the details should be fine. Might need to be a bit more careful about repetitious posing, but aside from the model itself, it would be all their own work.

Sorry for not replying early, I go to bed super early. But yeah I use a software called "Design Doll" for my drawings, The models are just human in shape, every detail that belongs to the character is made by me (You can tell by the Carol picture, because I drew her front facing, she ended up in the uncanny valley).
My main concern was the whole tracing thing, I recall seeing a forum post of someone asking why their art got deleted, and one of the responses was that tracing a pose was a big No-no for this website, that's why I was worried and asking if I should delete my drawings.
Also I noticed that my drawings are no longer in the red zone, seems like someone gave them a like, Thanks anonymous person.
Since I got so positive feedback from you guys, I have decided to continue drawing and posting my stuff, it might not do well in popularity, but this is an art quest for me to improve and become a better artist.

No, they are alright, basic and crude maybe but they are alright, certainly saw worse. People can be a little rough on the beginners, but just keep working and in ten years when you look back on those first images you will be able to see how much you've improved.
People can downvote for any reasons, you could draw a picaso but gory and be obliterated by downvotes, so that dis/like is more about dis/likeing the theme rather than quality.

absoluteboom said:
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My main concern was the whole tracing thing, I recall seeing a forum post of someone asking why their art got deleted, and one of the responses was that tracing a pose was a big No-no for this website, that's why I was worried and asking if I should delete my drawings.
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Just wanted to clarify, and as far as I'm aware, the rules on tracing are just there to stop you tracing other people's art and claiming it as your own, posing a model yourself and using that to trace is fine.

It's mentioned under the plagiarism section of the rules here:
https://e621.net/wiki_pages/1638

Along with the DNP section of the uploading guidelines here:
https://e621.net/wiki_pages/11143

Oh I see, I would never trace another artist work and credit it as my own. Sorry for the confusion but I'm a little slow sometimes. I might re-read the rules again. The good thing is that my art is no longer on the red zone, I believe some works risk getting deleted if they get too many dislikes. I'll continue drawing to improve myself and bring better stuff to the table. It's really hard to let go of the 3D base, is kinda like removing the little wheels of your bike. I have done a drawing on my own before, but it's quality makes me feel ashamed, so that's kinda why I stick to the posing software.

You have potential. Keep working at it.

absoluteboom said:
...I believe some works risk getting deleted if they get too many dislikes.

You needn't worry about that. The number of likes or dislikes doesn't affect whether something gets deleted or not. The infamous cheesegrater picture (now deleted due to an artist Takedown) is proof of that.

I'll continue drawing to improve myself and bring better stuff to the table. It's really hard to let go of the 3D base, is kinda like removing the little wheels of your bike.

Using posing software isn't an art crime. It's basically the same thing as hiring a model to pose for you, only you don't have to suffer with their complaints about standing around for ages. However, I would recommend not tracing it directly but instead to copy it by eyeballing it. This gives you much more flexibility with adjusting the poses and interpreting the structure of the characters' body structures. Even when you eventually get to the point that you understand how the body works and looks that you can draw without the need for references, you'll still want to use references.

I have done a drawing on my own before, but it's quality makes me feel ashamed, so that's kinda why I stick to the posing software.

Never be ashamed of the quality of your art. Never. Be dissatisfied, yes, because you can do better, but never ashamed. Yet you can't be better until you get those less-adequate pictures out onto paper. You can't reach the end of a thousand-league journey unless you take all the steps between that first step and the last one. Perhaps Chuck Jones said it best:

"Every artist has thousands of bad drawings in them, and the only way to get rid of them is to draw them out."

However, being ashamed of (rather than dissatisfied with) those drawings will only inhibit your getting them out of your system because you will want to avoid feeling ashamed. Be proud of those drawings and don't turn these stepping stones into stumbling blocks.

Drawing over a 3d model or real pictures is used in rotoscoping, which is a pretty legitimate way to animate things. I think if you are posing the model yourself you should be fine, I would be surprised to learn that that is not considered acceptable. However, for your own improvement and skill, you should learn how to draw without needing to rely on rotoscoping as well. Improvement with art does require repeated practice, but the more varied your practice, the more you'll improve.

clawdragons said:
Drawing over a 3d model or real pictures is used in rotoscoping, which is a pretty legitimate way to animate things. I think if you are posing the model yourself you should be fine, I would be surprised to learn that that is not considered acceptable. However, for your own improvement and skill, you should learn how to draw without needing to rely on rotoscoping as well. Improvement with art does require repeated practice, but the more varied your practice, the more you'll improve.

Beyond the traceful rotoscoping, you can eventually move onto only using it as a reference. You'll have the model on display to the side, and can try and produce a copy without tracing.

Thanks for the feedback everyone. It really has opened my eyes. Yeah I could pose the model but do the drawing on my own, once I feel more confident with my skills and less hand shaky, I will give it a try. This December 10 I will reach one month of drawing. I used to draw during 2016 - 2017, but the results of my drawings kinda made me feel dissapointed with myself, as it seemed I didn't improve at all during that year, so I abandoned art for around 5 years. I picked drawing again the past Nov 10 with the Magine pic. In that pic I completely forgot about the whole flipping your canvas to see it in a different perspective, so her crest looks deformed. I have learned a few things during this month, like how I should make anthros more fluffly because they are covered in fur, but the main feedback that I get on my drawings is that my anthros look more like a human pretending to be an anthro with makeup, instead of a proper anthro with proper anatomy, I feel it might be the muzzles, but I don't want to make them too long, because I feel long muzzles looks kinda fragile, but I guess I will have to do them when I start drawing foxes and wolves.

absoluteboom said:
I used to draw during 2016 - 2017, but the results of my drawings kinda made me feel dissapointed with myself, as it seemed I didn't improve at all during that year, so I abandoned art for around 5 years.

This is why I say to never be ashamed of your art. You'll still feel dissatisfied, which is good, but you will be motivated to do your art justice instead of demotivated because you've fooled yourself into thinking you can't ever do it right. It's not easy to see improvement in your abilities as you can't see the overall forest when you're focused on drawing each of the trees.

...I have learned a few things during this month, like how I should make anthros more fluffly because they are covered in fur, but the main feedback that I get on my drawings is that my anthros look more like a human pretending to be an anthro with makeup, instead of a proper anthro with proper anatomy...

This is where eyeballing your references instead of tracing them will do you good. Eyeballing lets you do mashups more easily, like an anthropomorphosized fox's head on a human-like body, especially since you'll likely never have a good enough reference for exactly what you want.

... I feel it might be the muzzles, but I don't want to make them too long, because I feel long muzzles looks kinda fragile, but I guess I will have to do them when I start drawing foxes and wolves.

It's not just the muzzle but the jawline as well. Humans have primate jaws with a particular appearance. Other species will have different jaw structures, not just longer, but also shallower than human jaws. This is where you'll feel dissatisfied a lot as you experiment around with different amounts of anthropomorphosization to find an appearance that looks right to you, but you shouldn't feel ashamed or disappointed as you will still be making progress.

Thanks a lot for the feedback everyone, yeah I have a lot to learn and a long road ahead of me.

Downvotes: The points don't matter. Paraphrasing Drew Carey.

Your art was good enough to get on the site...that's an endorsement all its own (assuming they're still checking quality around here). Just keep trying to get better.