Topic: Are tags with character "é" invalid?

Posted under Tag/Wiki Projects and Questions

I was randomly looking through what I've done to see if any of my edits was wrong, and I noticed someone, 8 months ago, changed the tag "André Vazzios" (an artist) for "Andre Vazzios". That person had something on their bio saying they were changing tags with characters that weren't accepted according to some git list (sorry, I don't know what those things are, not a dev, but there were some code lines with things that are not accepted on tags that I didn't understand).

However, I see "Pokémon" and not "Pokemon".

The site is in the process of removing symbols and Unicode from its tags due to changes in the site's programming. They haven't been swapped over entirely, especially for Pokémon which are so dang numerous.,

Yes and no. The plan it to go back to allowing some of these. The concept was not a technical one, and unfortunately the goal to unify around ascii characters ended up failing. It seems like the danbooru userbase was capable of it, but there are too many edge cases in the e6 userbase for it to be a practical endeavor. So slowly we're going to be allowing more characters back into the tag character set in a controlled manner. Because pokemon has an accent in pretty much all of our existing tags, it's one of the first characters that is planned to be added back in.

pyre said:
That person had something on their bio saying they were changing tags with characters that weren't accepted (...)

That person would be gattonero2001, also known as "yours truly". If you (or anyone else) have any questions about my tagging, feel free to send me a DM.

kiranoot said:
The plan is to go back to allowing some of these.

Is the roadmap written in detail somewhere? I'd like to give it a read if possible.

For some context, we've been having issues with the alias/implication system breaking randomly on non-ascii: topic #29974
Nice to know the Admins are working to fix it.

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kiranoot said:
Yes and no. The plan it to go back to allowing some of these. The concept was not a technical one, and unfortunately the goal to unify around ascii characters ended up failing. It seems like the danbooru userbase was capable of it, but there are too many edge cases in the e6 userbase for it to be a practical endeavor. So slowly we're going to be allowing more characters back into the tag character set in a controlled manner. Because pokemon has an accent in pretty much all of our existing tags, it's one of the first characters that is planned to be added back in.

I'd have thought it'd be easier to alias the ASCII variant to the non-ASCII one, then everybody can still type the tag easily and the tag can be correctly spelled.

I remember the advice for artists that used kanji characters in their name was to anglicise them, but if anything that's much more work for someone who doesn't know the language. Again it'd likely be better to alias the anglicised version to the correctly spelled one, then uploaders can upload them correctly and a translator could make a BUR to alias them later.

gattonero2001 said:
That person would be gattonero2001, also known as "yours truly".

I didn't check the rest of the things you editted, I just stumbled upon your profile while trying to find out when the change was made to the tag I added, and when I saw your bio, I immediately went to the git-thing to see what it was about, but ended up closing it because I didn't understand LOL

But I think it's fair to change if that's the direction where the tags are supposed to go. The problem mentioned here was EXACTLY what I thought would be a problem: the pokémon tag. Since I noticed you were editting the posts, I wondered how absurdly insane it would be for a handful of people to edit every single "é" out of pokémon.

Turns out there's that process that auto-converts tags, but if I understood correctly, the "é" character is tough to deal with for the automated change. Is that it?

Should we collectively start editting every "é" we find on tags so one day (hopefully) they're gone? XD
I mean, it's not an issue for me, but I know some people can't even type that because of their keyboard's language...

pyre said:
I didn't check the rest of the things you editted, I just stumbled upon your profile while trying to find out when the change was made to the tag I added, and when I saw your bio, I immediately went to the git-thing to see what it was about, but ended up closing it because I didn't understand LOL

But I think it's fair to change if that's the direction where the tags are supposed to go. The problem mentioned here was EXACTLY what I thought would be a problem: the pokémon tag. Since I noticed you were editting the posts, I wondered how absurdly insane it would be for a handful of people to edit every single "é" out of pokémon.

Turns out there's that process that auto-converts tags, but if I understood correctly, the "é" character is tough to deal with for the automated change. Is that it?

Should we collectively start editting every "é" we find on tags so one day (hopefully) they're gone? XD
I mean, it's not an issue for me, but I know some people can't even type that because of their keyboard's language...

No, do not remove existing é. The alias system is there for things like this, but since it's being added back as an allowed character, it's not something that should be dealt with anyways.

Dumbing down to remove Unicode kind of sucks but... if software doesn't support it well, and said support is unlikely to improve anytime soon. :(

Sadly, there's more than one canon way to Romanize Asian languages like Japanese or Korean or the various Chinese dialects.

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