The tag alias #56142 full_nelson_position -> full_nelson has been rejected.

Reason: Two tags with the same meaning.

EDIT: The tag alias full_nelson_position -> full_nelson (forum #324248) has been rejected by @bitWolfy.

A full nelson is a grappling move, whereas full nelson position is a penetrative sex position utilizing a full nelson to hold up the penetrated character from behind. An implication would be more appropriate, along with implications to from_behind_position (and sex, but from_behind_position implies that already).

watsit said:
A full nelson is a grappling move, whereas full nelson position is a penetrative sex position utilizing a full nelson to hold up the penetrated character from behind. An implication would be more appropriate, along with implications to from_behind_position (and sex, but from_behind_position implies that already).

In relation to topic #31901, there seems to be a disparity between how full_nelson and full_nelson_position is used. If you looked at full_nelson (i.e., the grappling move), full_anal_nelson and full_vaginal_nelson are aliased to it.

thegreatwolfgang said:
In relation to topic #31901, there seems to be a disparity between how full_nelson and full_nelson_position is used. If you looked at full_nelson (i.e., the grappling move), full_anal_nelson and full_vaginal_nelson are aliased to it.

It looks like those aliases were made 2 years ago, while full_nelson_position hasn't been used much until last year, and many of those earlier uses had the tag removed. It first appeared 7 years ago, but the oldest active post that still has the tag is 4 months ago, so it was easy to miss when making those aliases.

The bulk update request #1829 is active.

remove alias full_vaginal_nelson (0) -> full_nelson (7483)
remove alias full_anal_nelson (0) -> full_nelson (7483)
create alias vaginal_full_nelson (1) -> full_nelson_position (468)

Reason: 1/2 to make full nelson follow standard format of the other sex position tags. As the tag group:sex positions wiki says, "_position is to reserved for sex positions." Someone will also have to add full_nelson_position to the sex_positions wiki. Also need to reject topic #31901, which has alias anal_full_nelson -> full_nelson when we need alias anal_full_nelson -> full_nelson_position.

To be followed by

alias full_vaginal_nelson -> full_nelson_position
alias full_anal_nelson -> full_nelson_position
[s]alias full_nelson -> full_nelson_position[/s]
imply full_nelson_position -> full_nelson

Technically, full_nelson can also be used for the wrestling move. 10ish current examples can be found under full_nelson -rating:e. If we want to keep the wrestling position, we can move some of those to a new tag: full_nelson_(wrestling) They seem rare enough I'd be fine with an alias instead of disambiguation.

Edit: Per Watsit/Kaworu, I'll make a separate full_nelson wrestling move tag, and populate it with stuff from full_nelson -rating:e.

EDIT: The bulk update request #1829 (forum #324289) has been approved by @slyroon.

matrixmash said:
To be followed by

alias full_nelson -> full_nelson_position

Reverse and implicate instead. A full_nelson_position will necessarily be a full_nelson, but not all full_nelsons will be the sex position (and you can have a full nelson in an explicit image that doesn't have sex).

watsit said:
Reverse and implicate instead. A full_nelson_position will necessarily be a full_nelson, but not all full_nelsons will be the sex position (and you can have a full nelson in an explicit image that doesn't have sex).

I concur with Whatsit, the dealias is a good start, but there still needs to be allowance for "traditional" full nelsons (ie the wrestling move) that don't have to do with sex positions.

The bulk update request #1829 (forum #324289) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #6829 is pending approval.

create alias full_vaginal_nelson (0) -> full_nelson_position (468)
create alias full_anal_nelson (0) -> full_nelson_position (468)
mass update full_nelson -> full_nelson_position

Reason: Followup

snpthecat said:
create implication full_nelson_position (277) -> full_nelson (5929)

Should we really imply the sex position with the wrestling move?
I think they should be kept separate like how spooning & spoon_position are.

Changed it to a mass update. Most posts under full_nelson are the sex act.
This leaves the question of whether or not we should alias full_nelson to full_nelson_(wrestling), or invalidate it so that it can point towards full_nelson_(wrestling) and full_nelson_position

snpthecat said:
Changed it to a mass update. Most posts under full_nelson are the sex act.
This leaves the question of whether or not we should alias full_nelson to full_nelson_(wrestling), or invalidate it so that it can point towards full_nelson_(wrestling) and full_nelson_position

I don't think mass-updating 6000 posts all at once would be a good idea. It should be combed through to remove all non-sex posts at the very least first.
This is in a very similar situation with spooning where people can't see to differentiate between general position and sex position.

I am considering whether expanding the full_nelson_position tag to include non-sex acts would be a viable option.