So, today a friend who knows I use e621 asked me why e621 never credits artists. I told her that it does most of the time, but she replied that she's never seen it happen.

After asking her to link me to the images without the artists, I found they all had artist tags. But what I've never thought about is that anybody that has never used a booru before will have no idea of what the colour code system means, and not be able to tell the artist from the rest of the tags. Especially when artists use names that sound like they could be something in the image.

My suggestion is that the artist tags go above the rest of the tags like this. It might not be the best of ideas, but making the artist more obvious would be good in any form. I'm sure that even artists might even not notice that their name is in the tags, so this could even result in less takedowns.

That doesn't look too bad.

I'm up for it if the admins are.

I kinda like the idea. I'm all in for this

I am in favor of this. I would go a step further and sort the tags on the left side bar like Danbooru does.

Azazial said:
I am in favor of this. I would go a step further and sort the tags on the left side bar like Danbooru does.

That would be cool in drawing attention to the artist tag if people don't understand the colour coding system. But wouldn't that just start the your copying me game?

The colour change was enough for me. But it is a good idea I think

Falord said:
That would be cool in drawing attention to the artist tag if people don't understand the colour coding system. But wouldn't that just start the your copying me game?

I'm sure the color coding is fine for most things, it's just the artist that needs emphasis really.

If I remember correctly, the entire concept of a booru came from Danbooru anyway, so I don't see copying being much of a problem.

The tag is already colored to stand out as the artist tag, if people dont know the color system no matter how the colors are changed people will still be unaware. I dont see the point to changing how the site works just due to a few idiots who dont know the colored name is the artist.

Azazial said:
I am in favor of this. I would go a step further and sort the tags on the left side bar like Danbooru does.

It would be great if each section would be collapsible like sections in dtext. So, you can hide it without scrolling.

Even if there would be no section the tags should be collapsible. It would help in issues like in forum #72014

Conker said:
The tag is already colored to stand out as the artist tag, if people dont know the color system no matter how the colors are changed people will still be unaware. I dont see the point to changing how the site works just due to a few idiots who dont know the colored name is the artist.

Not everybody knows how a booru works, especially people who don't frequent them. This has probably been an issue to many people before, but like the 90–9–1 principle) states, more people lurk than contribute to a community. It'll be likely that people without the understanding of the colour system are just lurkers, and will never bring up the issue to the forum.

Conker said:
I dont see the point to changing how the site works just due to a few idiots who dont know the colored name is the artist.

So new users that have NO CLUE about how tagging works on e6 are considered idiots?

TheHuskyK9 said:
So new users that have NO CLUE about how tagging works on e6 are considered idiots?

Yes, we are all idiots when we first join this site. We were all once stupid (myself & everyone else included), we are all the same. Over time we watch, we listen, then we learn. Then we are no longer idiots, we are just like everyone else at that point in time. That simple.

Or newbie for a kinder word.

Conker said:
Yes, we are all idiots when we first join this site. We were all once stupid (myself & everyone else included), we are all the same. Over time we watch, we listen, then we learn. Then we are no longer idiots, we are just like everyone else at that point in time. That simple.

The word you wanted to use is probably "inexperienced", or "newbie".

Conker said:
Yes, we are all idiots when we first join this site. We were all once stupid (myself & everyone else included), we are all the same. Over time we watch, we listen, then we learn. Then we are no longer idiots, we are just like everyone else at that point in time. That simple.

Wikipedia said:
An idiot, dolt, or dullard is a mentally deficient person, or someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way.

You are only an idiot if you join and start to tag things without reading the rules or the tag wikis first, otherwise you are only a newcomer.

I'm in favor of this, but it could be a better idea to have it also on the statistcs section instead of just being all alone up there.

Xch3l said:
I'm in favor of this, but it could be a better idea to have it also on the statistcs section instead of just being all alone up there.

I think it would be better in the same place as the tags, because after all it still is a tag

This change would be good, the artist tag is by far the tag I look for most and it would be very conveniencing if I didn't have to search for it. Since most people don't use the site as much as I do, I'd bet they'd be even more convenienced.

Seven_Twenty said:
I think it would be better in the same place as the tags, because after all it still is a tag

Isn't it how is actually? I'm not on my computer right now, so I can't edit as you did…

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
The word you wanted to use is probably "inexperienced", or "newbie".

That too, I was going to use the word "noob" but I didnt want to sound like this is some video game or something.

NotMeNotYou said:
You are only an idiot if you join and start to tag things without reading the rules or the tag wikis first, otherwise you are only a newcomer.

Thats my point, reading the rules, looking at what some people do....helps us not become an idiot or a newcomer

Conker, this "reading the rules" thing. Did you ever do that yourself? You might have missed the part where you're expected to behave in some semi-respectable manner.

Why not offer a little pop-up tooltip on a Tags heading, which informs users as to what the color codes represent?

GreyMaria said:
Conker, this "reading the rules" thing. Did you ever do that yourself? You might have missed the part where you're expected to behave in some semi-respectable manner.

GreyMaria said:
...behave in some semi-respectable manner.

Pot, meet kettle.
Before bashing other users about calling out other people, [billnye] consider the following [/billnye]
No one likes a hippocrite.

Moon_Moon said:
Pot, meet kettle.
Before bashing other users about calling out other people, [billnye] consider the following [/billnye]
No one likes a hippocrite.

I just hope that it was a spelling mistake.

Conker:
That too, I was going to use the word "noob" but I didnt want to sound like this is some video game or something.

You'd better learn the meaning of some words before you use them. Hint: newbie != noob.

Moon_Moon said:

No one likes a hippocrite.

Yeah, fuck Hippocrates.
Advancing medicine and shit.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
I just hope that it was a spelling mistake.
...

Hippo crate

Moon_Moon said:
Pot, meet kettle.
Before bashing other users about calling out other people, [billnye] consider the following [/billnye]
No one likes a hippocrite.

Have you SEEN how he behaves? Seriously, this guy makes himself out to be a plague walking among us.

GreyMaria said:
Have you SEEN how he behaves? Seriously, this guy makes himself out to be a plague walking among us.

How about how YOU behave with other people? You go around attacking other users on here!

Ugh, why am I even bothering with you? I really hope the admins deal with you ASAP/

Patch said:
How about how YOU behave with other people? You go around attacking other users on here!

[citation needed]

Patch said:
Ugh, why am I even bothering with you? I really hope the admins deal with you ASAP/

Yay, drama!

GreyMaria said:
[citation needed]

https://e621.net/user_record?user_id=33723

Let's try to discuss the topic at hand and not the people discussing it please

Oh my god stop arguing

I like the danbooru-style sorting. It makes sense for the tags to be categorized and labeled that way, and it's also more user-friendly than making people look in some other place to figure out the color coding.

yay, drama. But on topic, I'm kinda meh to this idea but if it would be possible to personally configure it either completely or give one user created category than this would have all of my support.

Just imagine if you could fill one category with the tags you wish to currently clean up and you would get those tags presented to you on a silver platter, instead of having to search a bigger list.

NotMeNotYouMobile said:
yay, drama. But on topic, I'm kinda meh to this idea but if it would be possible to personally configure it either completely or give one user created category than this would have all of my support.

Just imagine if you could fill one category with the tags you wish to currently clean up and you would get those tags presented to you on a silver platter, instead of having to search a bigger list.

How would it be different than uploaded tags feature?

It is visible in the tag bar on the left. Say you want to clean up something like solo ~female ~male ~dickgirl ~neuter ~herm ~maleherm you would then place all these tags in their own category and have those show up separately, making them easier to spot with a glance, instead of searching a sometimes bigger list.

NotMeNotYouMobile said:
It is visible in the tag bar on the left. Say you want to clean up something like solo ~female ~male ~dickgirl ~neuter ~herm ~maleherm you would then place all these tags in their own category and have those show up separately, making them easier to spot with a glance, instead of searching a sometimes bigger list.

I'm talking about this.

I think it's more useful for clean up since you can add/delete tags just by clicking on it, and all tags are still shown separately.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
I'm talking about this.

I think it's more useful for clean up since you can add/delete tags just by clicking on it, and all tags are still shown separately.

Yes, but you will see that only after clicking edit, while my idea would be visible the moment you open the picture.
But it would work kinda like that, without the option to simply click them.

I love the idea, but I wanna see what tony thinks before we go further.

I honestly can't see how this would affect the site in ANY negative way.

And it'll encourage people to add an artist tag, even if it's just unknown_artist.

Hell if it encourages artists and people to add them properly, something like suggested but artist first, then source, then the tags.

SirAntagonist said:
I honestly can't see how this would affect the site in ANY negative way.

And it'll encourage people to add an artist tag, even if it's just unknown_artist.

I wonder if the system should automatically add unknown_artist to any image that doesn't have an artist tag.

The only people who would oppose this for any reason would just be doing it because secretly they don't want artists to get proper credit and more attention for their work. IE they are envious twats.

JustFrame said:
The only people who would oppose this for any reason would just be doing it because secretly they don't want artists to get proper credit and more attention for their work. IE they are envious twats.

Wow, rude and sweeping generalization much?

You should apply for a job at Fox News.

Hammie said:
Wow, rude and sweeping generalization much?

You should apply for a job at Fox News.

sounds like you're not in favor

JustFrame said:
sounds like you're not in favor

On the contrary I'm for it, but your comment was rude and uncalled for.
It also immediately insults the integrity of anyone who actually might think of a valid reason against this change.

Hammie said:
On the contrary I'm for it, but your comment was rude and uncalled for.
It also immediately insults the integrity of anyone who actually might think of a valid reason against this change.

It only insults their integrity if it's the truth, good chap.

JustFrame said:
It only insults their integrity if it's the truth, good chap.

So, by your logic if you accuse some random stranger of stealing something that person will only be offended if they are the thief?

This also only goes against your "because I can't think of a legitimate reason against this there is none"-reasoning. I too, can't think of a reason against it, but that doesn't necessarily mean that there is none.

NotMeNotYou said:
I too, can't think of a reason against it, but that doesn't necessarily mean that there is none.

Which is? Don't step up if you can't back your own claim.

Back to the topic, I literally can't anything wrong with this idea. Where's Tony???

JustFrame said:

NotMeNotYou said:
I too, can't think of a reason against it, but that doesn't necessarily mean that there is none.

Which is? Don't step up if you can't back your own claim.

You just failed miserably at basic reading comprehension. Try reading that again.

JustFrame said:
It only insults their integrity if it's the truth, good chap.

Your logic is flawed.

ippiki_ookami said:
Oh my god stop arguing

JustFrame said:
The only people who would oppose this for any reason would just be doing it because secretly they don't want artists to get proper credit and more attention for their work. IE they are envious twats.

Oh look, another privileged user who did literally nothing to earn it and acts like they don't deserve it. We seem to have a lot of those around lately.

Rocket_Corgi said:
Oh look, another privileged user who did literally nothing to earn it and acts like they don't deserve it. We seem to have a lot of those around lately.

Who me?

Hammie said:
Who me?

No.

Rocket_Corgi said:
No.

Damn, I need to start acting up more...

Hey, if all it takes is an incorrigible attitude, can I be Privileged too?

GreyMaria said:
Hey, if all it takes is an incorrigible attitude, can I be Privileged too?

Can all of you take your lovers quarrel to PMs and discuss the forum topic inside the thread. Or at least make a new thread so I don't have to read it when trying to find out more about a subject I actually want to read about

STOP ARGUING WITH EACH OTHER.

Back to the ACTUAL topic at hand...

I agree that the artist of an image should be more obvious than it is now. But I'm not sure I like the idea of moving the artist tag somewhere else. Tags have always been alphabetical, that's how people expect them to happen, and there would probably be confusion over the fact that the artist of X image is tony, but when you look in the tag list and see nothing between sex and underboob, you don't see tony.

Therefore, anything I do would most likely leave the artist tag intact in its usual place in the tag list, and make it more obvious somewhere else. I'll think about it for some future update.

Why not pictographic symbols?

tony311 said:
there would probably be confusion over the fact that the artist of X image is tony, but when you look in the tag list and see nothing between sex and underboob, you don't see tony.

And how would there be confusion if section's names would be significantly bigger?

Artist tags:

tony

General tags:

underboob
sex

It's rather difficult to miss that tags are grouped.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
And how would there be confusion if section's names would be significantly bigger?

Artist tags:

tony

General tags:

underboob
sex

It's rather difficult to miss that tags are grouped.

Grouping like this would be really nice.

furballs_dc said:
Grouping like this would be really nice.

Actually I think that even better option would be something like this:

only with bigger section names, and default status being not collapsed. (I don't know how to do this in dtext.)

I don't know, the tags should be visible from start.

furballs_dc said:
I don't know, the tags should be visible from start.

Yes, I agree, but it would be great if groups would be able to collapse. Especially when you're dealing with posts like post #329124 and you want to hide species tags and see general tags.

Ah, ok. Would work if expanded by default. =^.^=

Why not extend the tag section below to repeat the artist but also have it alphabetically in the regular list

Rainbow_Dash said:
Why not extend the tag section below to repeat the artist but also have it alphabetically in the regular list

We want to avoid redundancy.

31h253 said:
I wonder if the system should automatically add unknown_artist to any image that doesn't have an artist tag.

That would be pretty groovy.

Finally! I could get my hands on a computer!!

This is what I meant (plus some slight modifications) and this is how it is now (both on post #212361, in case you didn't noticed)

Seems like a good idea. Of course, the current system seems to work just fine anyway and there is a help section to the wiki, one page of which specifically details this sort of thing. But then, I guess someone who only visits the site occasionally might not care to read the wiki...

Interfaces should be easy for people to figure out without forcing them to look elsewhere, whenever possible, which is why I like the idea of separating the tags into categories. I still get the artist and character color codes mixed up sometimes.

I think the way an artist tag is added should be similar to the way a source is added. It wouldn't really be a tag.

Also lol'd at greymaria being banned for the umpteenth time.

i'm all for an update emphasizing the artist tag.

Spess_Muhreen said:
I think the way an artist tag is added should be similar to the way a source is added. It wouldn't really be a tag.

Also lol'd at greymaria being banned for the umpteenth time.

Could help as well.

Expires: Oct 19, 2040. Old. =o.O=

Spess_Muhreen said:
I think the way an artist tag is added should be similar to the way a source is added. It wouldn't really be a tag.

Also lol'd at greymaria being banned for the umpteenth time.

For the last time.
Unless they come back in 37 years.