Topic: Replacements, and penalization

Posted under General

Uploading someone's art post here, and then for the artist to post a higher resolution one days later, getting your post replaced for the higher res one makes sense.

Getting penalized for uploading a lower resolution when the higher resolution didn't exist at the moment of upload, in my opinion, doesn't...
And well, you end up getting penalized too if you make a new post with the new version and flag your previous upload.

How do replacements work, is there any way for normal uploaders to use it, or any way to update an art piece after the artist publishes a higher quality one without being punished for it?.

bitWolfy

Former Staff

Yes, you are right. I have reviewed your upload that were replaced, and disabled the penalties where they should not have been applied.
You should not be punished if the artist uploads a better version later, nor if you are replacing your own post.

Replacements are currently in a closed beta – only users who are experienced with finding better versions of existing posts were granted access.

bitwolfy said:
Replacements are currently in a closed beta – only users who are experienced with finding better versions of existing posts were granted access.

Any word on when they're going to be made generally available yet? I have literally hundreds of replacements I want to do without having to either put each one individually through a middleman or spam the site with reuploads.

wat8548 said:
Any word on when they're going to be made generally available yet? I have literally hundreds of replacements I want to do without having to either put each one individually through a middleman or spam the site with reuploads.

Report the images with a URL to the replacement, maybe they'll determine you're worth putting into the beta

I have a similar issue, although I'm guilty. I used to upload the first image that I saw, but now I know I have to compare sources.
For that reason, I'm stuck reuploading several pages of the Interns 3 comic. The problem is that it takes a lot of time to upload a new page, copy and paste all the tags, flag the inferior post, remove the old page from the pool and finally add the new one.

I think I read somewhere that replacing your own posts does not incur a penalty, does that also apply when uploading a better version of your own post, but not technically "replacing" it via the post replacement feature that is?

cutefox123 said:
I think I read somewhere that replacing your own posts does not incur a penalty, does that also apply when uploading a better version of your own post, but not technically "replacing" it via the post replacement feature that is?

Each time I reupload one of my own post I end up losing 0.15 of my Upload Limit, but that's not a significant number. Deleted and replaced posts still count, so it's better to search before posting.

bpedron said:
Each time I reupload one of my own post I end up losing 0.15 of my Upload Limit, but that's not a significant number. Deleted and replaced posts still count, so it's better to search before posting.

Replaced posts only count if the mod who approves the replacement decides you should have uploaded the better version in the first place, hence the importance of the "Reason" field. I don't think that'll help you if the higher resolution versions were always available, though.

...Also, this is unrelated, but why did the most recent higher-resolution page of The Intership you posted get spammed with downvotes? At the time of writing post #3340000 is at +1/-5. Is the site's homophobe population salty you got a minor milestone or something? I don't think it's due to being a reupload - I know from experience those always get lower scores than the original, but never to the point of being downvoted if the original was both highly popular and inferior.

wat8548 said:
...Also, this is unrelated, but why did the most recent higher-resolution page of The Intership you posted get spammed with downvotes? At the time of writing post #3340000 is at +1/-5.

Eh, it's a comparable number of downvotes to the original post, and generally people not actively searching for a postand therefore most likely to downvote are more likely to see it when it's fresh.

magnuseffect said:
Eh, it's a comparable number of downvotes to the original post, and generally people not actively searching for a postand therefore most likely to downvote are more likely to see it when it's fresh.

I've seen many posts in the exact same circumstances, some of which were my own, none of which have been met with that reaction. This is not a normal voting pattern even for a repost, especially not for a repost of an image which was highly popular the first time around.

wat8548 said:
This is not a normal voting pattern even for a repost, especially not for a repost of an image which was highly popular the first time around.

But it was popular as a part of a long-serial comic. People who already read it aren't as likely to open it right now. It'll slowly pick up votes from new/re-readers but posts centred around depictions of non-cartoony violence have always had a tough time on page 1.

wat8548 said:
Any word on when they're going to be made generally available yet? I have literally hundreds of replacements I want to do without having to either put each one individually through a middleman or spam the site with reuploads.

I recommend this:
https://e621.net/forum_topics/25872

It adds a "Reupload" link under "History" on the left of a post's page that copies all of the original tags and sources, and then you can change the source to a better version when you upload. (You still must choose the rating, a sensible precaution.)

First, I review the tags of the old version and fix them up and add things I notice are missing if necessary.

Then copy the ID of the inferior post before clicking "Reupload" and add the tag child:PostID to your upload, which will immediately make your new image the parent of the inferior post. If the inferior post already has a parent, you can add parent:IdOfParent to immediately add your new upload as a child. Then copy the ID of your new better version to the clipboard and click the child that immediately shows with your new upload to go to the old one. Then flag and paste the ID of the new one. Yes it will be a lot of flagged images, but until the new feature is rolled out I'm pretty sure that's the proper thing to do. Granted if your replacements are in lots of pools that will still take a while to fix.

wat8548 said:
Replaced posts only count if the mod who approves the replacement decides you should have uploaded the better version in the first place, hence the importance of the "Reason" field. I don't think that'll help you if the higher resolution versions were always available, though.

...Also, this is unrelated, but why did the most recent higher-resolution page of The Intership you posted get spammed with downvotes? At the time of writing post #3340000 is at +1/-5. Is the site's homophobe population salty you got a minor milestone or something? I don't think it's due to being a reupload - I know from experience those always get lower scores than the original, but never to the point of being downvoted if the original was both highly popular and inferior.

I'm pretty sure all replaced posts count for the 1/4 tally for upload limit, but perhaps I'm mistaken.

Almost all of the flags in my profile show as unresolved for some reason though, even with the flagged images gone. I'm not sure if that's normal. I found this topic searching for that subject.

zeorp said:
I'm pretty sure all replaced posts count for the 1/4 tally for upload limit, but perhaps I'm mistaken.

You're mistaken, the janitor who approves the replacement has a choice whether to apply the upload penalty or not. If you hover over the negative part of the upload limit calculation in my profile, you'll see it says "163 of your Replaced Posts do not affect your upload limit".

(Also those 163 posts were exclusively in pools.)

wat8548 said:
You're mistaken, the janitor who approves the replacement has a choice whether to apply the upload penalty or not. If you hover over the negative part of the upload limit calculation in my profile, you'll see it says "163 of your Replaced Posts do not affect your upload limit".

(Also those 163 posts were exclusively in pools.)

Very interesting, thanks.

wat8548 said:
You're mistaken, the janitor who approves the replacement has a choice whether to apply the upload penalty or not. If you hover over the negative part of the upload limit calculation in my profile, you'll see it says "163 of your Replaced Posts do not affect your upload limit".

(Also those 163 posts were exclusively in pools.)

you actually can't see whether other users get penalized or not, only your own for post replacements.

versperus said:
you actually can't see whether other users get penalized or not, only your own for post replacements.

You can. Try with their profile. Hover over the "22" in "22/4."

versperus said:
That's deletions not replacements.

It's both. I just tried hovering over the corresponding value on your upload limit, and it told me "8 of your Replaced Posts do not affect your upload limit".

wat8548 said:
It's both. I just tried hovering over the corresponding value on your upload limit, and it told me "8 of your Replaced Posts do not affect your upload limit".

Ah, I got caught up in singular information not the information as a whole.

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