Reason: Mainly for when the three of them are in the same post

I don't think one can set up an implication to do this properly.

ExplosiveBlaziken said:
I don't think one can set up an implication to do this properly.

yeah, i kinda started thinking about that, a few seconds ago, well what if...no...ahh screw it i will just add cutie_mark_crusaders to the wiki, the add it to any post that has the three of them together, or something like that

0904255 said:
yeah, i kinda started thinking about that, a few seconds ago, well what if...no...ahh screw it i will just add cutie_mark_crusaders to the wiki, the add it to any post that has the three of them together, or something like that

Nope, we're not doing that.

I actually thought about it in reverse-- the CMC implies apple bloom, sweetie bell and scootaloo, but then I realized the CMC tag could also be used to describe an image where even one of them was wearing their cloak, etc.

Bumping 1 year old thread, cause cutie_mark_crusaders_(mlp) wikipage is empty, and, judging by ammount of scootaloo_(mlp) -cutie_mark_crusaders_(mlp) and cutie_mark_crusaders_(mlp) -scootaloo_(mlp), some people use it when there is at least one of the cmc, and some use it only when there are all of them, which makes a lot of chaos (well it's about cutie mark crusaders, after all), and makes this tag rather useless.

Since, wolderbolts_(mlp) tag is handled at-least-one-of-them way, maybe this tag should be used also like this, and that means 3 implications:
scootaloo_(mlp)->cutie_mark_crusaders_(mlp)
sweetie_belle_(mlp)->cutie_mark_crusaders_(mlp)
apple_bloom_(mlp)->cutie_mark_crusaders_(mlp)

or maybe just alias this tag to invalid_tag because searching can be done by
~scootaloo_(mlp) ~sweetie_belle_(mlp) ~apple_bloom_(mlp)

anomaly said:
Since, wolderbolts_(mlp) tag is handled at-least-one-of-them way, maybe this tag should be used also like this, and that means 3 implications:
scootaloo_(mlp)->cutie_mark_crusaders_(mlp)
sweetie_belle_(mlp)->cutie_mark_crusaders_(mlp)
apple_bloom_(mlp)->cutie_mark_crusaders_(mlp)

or maybe just alias this tag to invalid_tag because searching can be done by
~scootaloo_(mlp) ~sweetie_belle_(mlp) ~apple_bloom_(mlp)

I prefer invalid_tag for this, I think. The tag is under used and doesn't really add much to the site as a whole. Wonderbolts, at least, cna be used to describe anyone in a wonderbolts uniform... but there aren't very many cutie mark crusaders out there that aren't the trio. better to tag cutie_mark_crusader_emblem or something instead, if anything at all.

There really is no reason for the CMC tag to even exist

Ohnine said:
Reason: Mainly for when the three of them are in the same post

What if they aren't?
also no

Since those 3 are all members of the CMC, even if one of them is in the image, she is still a crusaders. This allow you to save tag space when searching images that Includes even just one crusader.

If your looking for something involving anyone of the three, be it solo or not you could save 2 tag spaces for other perimeters of your search which only basic members would love because of their tag limit.

ippiki_ookami said:
There really is no reason for the CMC tag to even exist

It maybe a irrelevant tag to you but it has it's use.
Hell while were here you could even make a tag called "Main_6_(mlp)" that is implemented when ever one of the main 6 characters AJ, RD, PP, FS, R, TS are used to save tag space depending on what your looking for, but that I fear is wishful thinking.

and while we're at it, let's make a tag for all the genders that have breasts. we can call them Boobed_people and we should make another one for all hooved creatures. and another for the playable characters in the sonic franchise!

... no.

seriously, if you're looking for any one of the crusaders, then you can either use the three tags, ~apple_bloom_(mlp) ~Sweetiebelle_(mlp) ~scootaloo_(mlp) or search them one at a time, apple_bloom_(mlp) or try something unique like my_little_pony young

Tags are not to give you a 1-stop shop to the PERFECT picture you'rel ooking for in 1 click or less. Tags are here to help you narrow down what you're looking for.

besides. cutie_mark_crusaders_(mlp) has seen 258 uses. apple bloom alone has nearly 700. --you're obviously not goign to be MISSING a tool that you've already been using...

BUMP!

Well, now there are four members of cmc, but still cutie_mark_crusaders tag is rather underused.

There should be decision about this tag. Should it be deleted? If not then 4 implications should be added.

There's a Wonderbolts tag, too, used when any member of that is in the image. Whatever decision is made here should be made there too. Same issue: There are actual members of the wonderbolts, and there is a wonderbolts uniform, so you can have member-out-of-uniform and member-in-uniform.

Seeing how cutie_mark_crusaders_(mlp)_ was aliased with invalid_tag, one can guess how this discussion ended.

But.
Was it so common tagging error we need an alias, given that, as far as I can remember there were roughly zero instances of it?
cutie_mark_crusaders_(mlp), through... 408 tags, as of now.

Shouldn't cutie_mark_crusaders_(mlp)_ be de-aliased with invalid_tag and cutie_mark_crusaders_(mlp) aliased with it instead?

Also, should Wonderbolts get same treatment?

No, wonderbolts are distinguishable by their uniforms.

Not necessarily, because they do appear out of uniform, especially in fanart.

By that logic, the CMC are recognizable by the capes they wear, such as in post #235611.

So in that case, wonderbolts_(mlp) should be removed from any image where they're not in uniform.

Seeing how cutie_mark_crusaders_(mlp)_ was aliased with invalid_tag, one can guess how this discussion ended.

It happened because some idiot misspelled tag when suggesting alias. I wonder who was stupid enough to do this.
Shame on him/her!

But can we come to any conclusion. There are at least 3 options.
1. Alias to invalid tag.
2. This tag should be used when any crusader is present. Therefore each crusader should imply this tag.
3. This tag should be used when all crusaders are present. Therefore this tag should imply all crusaders tags. After number of crusaders proven not to be constant I think it's bad idea.

But something has to be done because without implications this tag is half dead.

Also while there are not named, and OC Wonderbolts the situation with CMC is different. There are only 4 of them, and whole organization is informal. I'd rather agree with SnowWolf stance on this.

Either way cutie_mark_crusaders_(mlp)_ should be de-aliased from invalid_tag.

As for cutie_mark_crusaders_(mlp), they may be informal, but they are well-known to audience, if not in-universe. I can't really see a compelling reason to cut CMC and left Wonderbolt juggling around, except this, there you can't recognize a single pony, but they are definitely Wonderbolts.
Debatable example, but hippie movement was also generally informal, as far as I remember, and still, you can easily, more or less, differ hippie from your generic square citizen or a SAS member (wearing uniform, of course).

I see two options:

• CMC as a group, that can be distinguished with ease by their definitive uniform and emblem, should, to my thinking, be tagged in relevant cases; precisely: if CMC definitive cape on someone is visible, regardless of presence of known, officially or not, member(s);
• Sending both tags to the fjords.

I prefer first one.

Oh, and, if chosen to remain, said tag, alongside with wonderbolts_(mlp), should be, perhaps, switched from "character" to "copyright" - under presumption that CMC/Wonderbolts are organizations rather than specific characters. Implications then can be setted on premise, applied in other franchises with non-constant number of characters] Strike that, it confronts all the options above.
But that's just personal preference.

Wow this actually got approved? I really need to pay more attention.

A few problems:

CMC is constantly misused. People use it when any of the three characters are depicted, even when the organization is not a theme in the image. This is pointless as one can merely search the character's name. It is also only known to people who are familiar to the show, which brings me to the next problem:

It violates tag what you see. A picture of scootaloo sitting there doing nothing should not be tagged with CMC unless he/she (whatever it is) is wearing a pendant or is standing in front of their base (assuming they have one, idk) because how would we know they are in that organization unless it's part of the image? Again, it's being used even when it's not a component of the image, and when they are simply present, which makes it a pointless bloat tag.

High abuse potential, which I more or less already touched on.

We don't tag justice_league every time Batman is depicted, so why does CMC get special treatment? It's just a club they happen to be a part of. What if they get cutie marks later on? Do we mass remove the tag since they are no longer in the club? What if they form a new club? Do we tag that too? And even if we allow the tag for when it is a theme, people will still slap it onto other random images of the characters, so we can't really allow it at all.

So...compelling arguments?

also lol necro lol

ippiki_ookami said:
Wow this actually got approved? I really need to pay more attention.

A few problems:

CMC is constantly misused. People use it when any of the three characters are depicted, even when the organization is not a theme in the image. This is pointless as one can merely search the character's name. It is also only known to people who are familiar to the show, which brings me to the next problem:

It violates tag what you see. A picture of scootaloo sitting there doing nothing should not be tagged with CMC unless he/she (whatever it is) is wearing a pendant or is standing in front of their base (assuming they have one, idk) because how would we know they are in that organization unless it's part of the image? Again, it's being used even when it's not a component of the image, and when they are simply present, which makes it a pointless bloat tag.

High abuse potential, which I more or less already touched on.

We don't tag justice_league every time Batman is depicted, so why does CMC get special treatment? It's just a club they happen to be a part of. What if they get cutie marks later on? Do we mass remove the tag since they are no longer in the club? What if they form a new club? Do we tag that too? And even if we allow the tag for when it is a theme, people will still slap it onto other random images of the characters, so we can't really allow it at all.

So...compelling arguments?

also lol necro lol

You could say pretty much the same about eeveelution, yet it's still a tag. So no, I don't agree. also, afaik I thought it was only supposed to be used when the three of the chars were in the same post

It should go the way of the dodo, for all the same reasons Pinkamena should. :>

Nuke it from space!

A tag that's only used when all three are present or they're wearing a freakin cape... Just use all three names at once. Seriously.
also this is double necro.

123easy said:
It should go the way of the dodo, for all the same reasons Pinkamena should. :>

Absolutely not

123easy said:
It should go the way of the dodo, for all the same reasons Pinkamena should. :>

Dude watch out, she'll cut you for saying that.

123easy said:
It should go the way of the dodo, for all the same reasons Pinkamena should. :>

Rainbow_Dash said:
Absolutely not

ippiki_ookami said:
Wow this actually got approved? I really need to pay more attention.

A few problems:

CMC is constantly misused. People use it when any of the three characters are depicted, even when the organization is not a theme in the image. This is pointless as one can merely search the character's name. It is also only known to people who are familiar to the show, which brings me to the next problem:

It violates tag what you see. A picture of scootaloo sitting there doing nothing should not be tagged with CMC unless he/she (whatever it is) is wearing a pendant or is standing in front of their base (assuming they have one, idk) because how would we know they are in that organization unless it's part of the image? Again, it's being used even when it's not a component of the image, and when they are simply present, which makes it a pointless bloat tag.

High abuse potential, which I more or less already touched on.

We don't tag justice_league every time Batman is depicted, so why does CMC get special treatment? It's just a club they happen to be a part of. What if they get cutie marks later on? Do we mass remove the tag since they are no longer in the club? What if they form a new club? Do we tag that too? And even if we allow the tag for when it is a theme, people will still slap it onto other random images of the characters, so we can't really allow it at all.

So...compelling arguments?

also lol necro lol

post #46028

SirAntagonist said:
post #46028

What?

ippiki_ookami said:
We don't tag justice_league every time Batman is depicted, so why does CMC get special treatment?

Because ponies. Didn't you read Pinkamena thread, Ippiki?

If only I didn't make a typo back then...

123easy said:
What?

"I agree with these comments"

I Am the World Trade Center

Not hearing any compelling arguments.
"Because eeveelution" doesn't fly, because that's a bad tag too.
This isn't going to be one of those fruitless unending discussions, let's plan on solving this little issue by tomorrow, barring some miraculous combination of words that brings to light the necessity for this tag to exist.

I'm behind it going poof as I said before. same with the other bad tags mentioned.

There should be one tag for a group of related characters, like you would tag it on the cmc when they were there, it would replace eeveelution, it'd work on justice league images... Im Just trying to think of one tag that could do all of these things...
maybe something to the effect of character_set like a whole cast of one specific group being in the same image(or alot of them at once at least)

Sollux said:
There should be one tag for a group of related characters, like you would tag it on the cmc when they were there, it would replace eeveelution, it'd work on justice league images... Im Just trying to think of one tag that could do all of these things...
maybe something to the effect of character_set like a whole cast of one specific group being in the same image(or alot of them at once at least)

But, why do we need it? If you want to see them, just search for them. We don't ned a single tag that brings up the perfect setup that you want. As one admin has said before, tags are to help narrow your search, not provide a one-tag-specific-search (yeah, paraphrasing a lil', but it's the gist of it. And it wasn't Ippiki). We have six tags to search with. If you want to look for the three of them, just search the character tags with a tilde prior. If you want something else with them, which is even more specific, you have three more tags to use.

123easy said:
But, why do we need it? If you want to see them, just search for them. We don't ned a single tag that brings up the perfect setup that you want. As one admin has said before, tags are to help narrow your search, not provide a one-tag-specific-search (yeah, paraphrasing a lil', but it's the gist of it. And it wasn't Ippiki). We have six tags to search with. If you want to look for the three of them, just search the character tags with a tilde prior. If you want something else with them, which is even more specific, you have three more tags to use.

its true we can use multiple tags like that I suppose. I just like the idea of character_set.
hell I like coming up with tags with potential uses anyways, I'm sure you can tell from all my previous discussions.

Sollux said:
its true we can use multiple tags like that I suppose. I just like the idea of character_set.

Isn't... that what sets and pools are for? >_>

ippiki_ookami said:
Not hearing any compelling arguments.
"Because eeveelution" doesn't fly, because that's a bad tag too.
This isn't going to be one of those fruitless unending discussions, let's plan on solving this little issue by tomorrow, barring some miraculous combination of words that brings to light the necessity for this tag to exist.

Quite simply I'll put it like this

Pro: Being able to find any of the three characters of this group
Con: It takes up one more line in the tag list

It literally would effect most people in no way at all by having it, but it effects a lot of people by not having it. I say if it helps tag something and make it easier to find, why not have it?

Sollux said:
its true we can use multiple tags like that I suppose. I just like the idea of character_set.
hell I like coming up with tags with potential uses anyways, I'm sure you can tell from all my previous discussions.

If we can make one tag that eliminates the need for multiple tags to be used, then that is a good thing as we have saved time for users and given them more room for tags to use in a search

Rainbow_Dash said:
If we can make one tag that eliminates the need for multiple tags to be used, then that is a good thing as we have saved time for users and given them more room for tags to use in a search

so should we use the character_set tag instead of cmc, use it in place of where people would've used mane 6 (only with all 6 in it) and replace eeveelutions?

Edit: ooh, this could be used for pictures with starter Pokemon only as well, I do remember someone wanting a starter Pokemon tag.

Rainbow_Dash said:
If we can make one tag that eliminates the need for multiple tags to be used, then that is a good thing as we have saved time for users and given them more room for tags to use in a search

We have six tags available to us. How much more specific a search do we need to make it? I mean, if we only had the four tags that we used to have, then condensing that far would make sense, but we don't anymore. 3,825 images total with ~scootaloo ~applebloom ~sweetie_belle. '~scootaloo ~applebloom ~sweetie_belle cape' returns only a mere 50 images. '~scootaloo ~applebloom ~sweetie_belle cat' returns 27. '~scootaloo ~applebloom ~sweetie_belle hat' returns 7 pages (75 posts per page, last page has 23, total 548) while adding one more tag (~scootaloo ~applebloom ~sweetie_belle hat smile) returns a page and a third (98 images). Searching all three as "scootaloo applebloom sweetie_belle" (so only images of all three of them) returns only 12 pages (1,667 images); scootaloo applebloom sweetie_belle hat returns two pages (124 images). How desperately do users need not just the last one or two tags that haven't been selected, but an additional two more tags available? I didn't specifically look for any super-low volume tags or super-high volume tags when checking searches, so there might be some vast pool of images that any of the three of them plus another two tags doesn't narrow down that much... but the chance of that is vanishingly small. I just don't see any need for this tag as stated. Defining it by whenever they are acting as the Crusaders together, with their badges or capes or whatever their outfit is (like superheroes), and acting towards a specific goal; that makes sense.

As you propose it, here's some additional cons.

Con: Can already find all the characters as a group by just searching them all.

Con: Creates a tag whose functionality is already obsolete by not being lazy.

Con: Doesn't sort images any better than just searching for the individual tags.

:P

Rainbow Dash:
Pro: Being able to find any of the three characters of this group

Poor Babs Seed - forgotten forever.

I'm for aliasing this tag. I really fail too see what's beneficial in creating tags that are redundant to our search system. Rainbow Dash still failed to respond what makes fandom tags more special then tags like <species>_<gender> which were also requested by some people, not only from specific fandom, and have been denied.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Poor Babs Seed - forgotten forever.

Apparently there's a fifth member, Imp, that was featured in a comic, as well. *points to the MLP:FiM wiki* Where I find most of my informations. Also, who knows? there might be an episode featuring her and her chapter in Manehattan or whatever silly pun named city she lives in is called.

123easy said:
Apparently there's a fifth member, Imp, that was featured in a comic, as well. *points to the MLP:FiM wiki* Where I find most of my informations. Also, who knows? there might be an episode featuring her and her chapter in Manehattan or whatever silly pun named city she lives in is called.

believe it or not the comic is unusually well done.
yeah mlp is bad for puns...

question: is one tag worth a dozen that were denied if it can do what every single one of them could at once?

Sollux said:
believe it or not the comic is unusually well done.
yeah mlp is bad for puns...

question: is one tag worth a dozen that were denied if it can do what every single one of them could at once?

Aside from the research I do for my arguments, the only exposure I have to MLP is through my brony roommate. I don't particularily like the show, though I do defend it from those who just dismiss it as a kid's show; It's well done for what it is, and has enough depth and variety that it's interesting beyond its targetted age catagory; Lauren Faust strikes again, in other words. :)

Regarding your second point; most people have one or two favourite eevee evolutions, and are likely just going to search for those, or only search for a few at a time. I really don't see a need to search for every evolution at the same time.

123easy said:
Aside from the research I do for my arguments, the only exposure I have to MLP is through my brony roommate. I don't particularily like the show, though I do defend it from those who just dismiss it as a kid's show; It's well done for what it is, and has enough depth and variety that it's interesting beyond its targetted age catagory; Lauren Faust strikes again, in other words. :)

I agree. MLP FIM was great show. Shame it ended after 2 seasons.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
I agree. MLP FIM was great show. Shame it ended after 2 seasons.

lol this.
too many pinkie pies was a good episode though, and wonder bolt academy, though that kinda went nowhere(seriously she was literally the best there why isn't she a wonderbolt now, thatd be a cool story element seeing all the mane 6 actually get to live their dreams)

123easy said:
We have six tags available to us. How much more specific a search do we need to make it?

"~scootaloo ~apple_bloom ~sweetie_belle straight young order:favcount" takes up all 6 tags by itself, leaving me with no option for searching for something like "cunnilingus" or "blow_job" without sacrificing one of my other search terms.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Poor Babs Seed - forgotten forever.

123easy said:
Apparently there's a fifth member, Imp, that was featured in a comic, as well.

Ok so given this information, we should adjust your above example so instead of just 3 crusaders, it's 5: "~scootaloo ~apple_bloom ~sweetie_belle ~babs_seed ~imp_(cmc) straight". Now this seems to REALLY not be a suitable search without splitting it up into multiple searches for each character.

Or we could have "cutie_mark_crusaders" and that suddenly frees up FOUR additional tags, making a decent search possible for normal users at that point. With absolutely no negative impact on any other users or tags.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
I'm for aliasing this tag. I really fail too see what's beneficial in creating tags that are redundant to our search system. Rainbow Dash still failed to respond what makes fandom tags more special then tags like <species>_<gender> which were also requested by some people, not only from specific fandom, and have been denied.

Cutie_Mark_Crusaders isn't something conjured up by a fandom, it's literally their title for their group on the show, and is referenced many times throughout the show. It's completely canon.

To me this is exactly the same as say, The Avengers. They're all their own individual characters, but they're all still "Avengers" because they're on the Avengers team.

The only part of this that I'd really consider up for debate is whether such tags should be used only when the team itself is being represented, or if merely being a member of the team is enough to warrant the application of the tag. Would we want "The_Avengers" tagged on pics of just Iron Man? Or should people be able to find ANY of the Avengers by searching for that tag? Should two tags be created, one for use only when the team itself is being represented or referenced in some way, and one to simply mark a character in a post as an "Avenger"?

Char said:
To me this is exactly the same as say, The Avengers.

ippiki ookami said:
We don't tag justice_league every time Batman is depicted, so why does CMC get special treatment?

If you want to treat them as a team, then this tag should be used only when there is present the cape of crusaders. You can't claim that this is umbrella tag, and that it describes a team. You have to decide what exactly you are defending. So do you think this is a team tag, or umbrella tag? Decide!

Again I say, character_set it fits all these parameters to save tags, people can't whine over mlp getting another tag, and it can be used in multiple other instances (Pokemon starters, eeveelutions to be replaced, mane 6 can be aliases too, and anything else with a full cast of a group, or most of them at least) all problems solved.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
If you want to treat them as a team, then this tag should be used only when there is present the cape of crusaders. You can't claim that this is umbrella tag, and that it describes a team. You have to decide what exactly you are defending. So do you think this is a team tag, or umbrella tag? Decide!

That's... why I was asking how we should do it. :| Do you have no input yourself on how "team" tags should be treated?

Char said:
"~scootaloo ~apple_bloom ~sweetie_belle straight young order:favcount" takes up all 6 tags by itself, leaving me with no option for searching for something like "cunnilingus" or "blow_job" without sacrificing one of my other search terms.

304 images to go through. That's not that many at all, and is more than good enough of a specific search. If you wanted to search cunnilingus, ditch the order tag because there's a total of 19 images under "~scootaloo ~apple_bloom ~sweetie_belle straight young cunnilingus". 62 under "~scootaloo ~apple_bloom ~sweetie_belle straight young blowjob". Even the initial one with the order search added (which any sane person will exclude until all actual tags have been searched for) has very few images in total. General usage is to pull up a bunch of images and then sift through them looking for ones you like (probably plenty of fapping going on too); overspecificity to this level isn't a benefit, it's just tag list bloat.

Ok so given this information, we should adjust your above example so instead of just 3 crusaders, it's 5: "~scootaloo ~apple_bloom ~sweetie_belle ~babs_seed ~imp_(cmc) straight". Now this seems to REALLY not be a suitable search without splitting it up into multiple searches for each character.

And if CMC represented this many different characters interacting with each other within the confines of the CMC club, I'd support its continued existance. However, that has never been an argued point in the renewed conversations until now.

Cutie_Mark_Crusaders isn't something conjured up by a fandom, it's literally their title for their group on the show, and is referenced many times throughout the show. It's completely canon.

Not being argued. What is being argued is that it's not being used to represent their club as shown in the show. It's just being used as a bloat tag attached to each of them individually regardless of the content of the image. They aren't always acting as the CMC.

To me this is exactly the same as say, The Avengers. They're all their own individual characters, but they're all still "Avengers" because they're on the Avengers team.

But they're not representing "The Avengers" unless they're working together under that banner. Otherwise, every singe Superman and Green lantern and The Flash et al tag should have "Justice League" tagged, which would also mess up any tags where the characters themselves aren't represented but their costumes are- Which further ruins Green Lantern, since there are 7199 other Green Lanterns out there that aren't in the Justice League.

The only part of this that I'd really consider up for debate is whether such tags should be used only when the team itself is being represented, or if merely being a member of the team is enough to warrant the application of the tag. Would we want "The_Avengers" tagged on pics of just Iron Man? Or should people be able to find ANY of the Avengers by searching for that tag? Should two tags be created, one for use only when the team itself is being represented or referenced in some way, and one to simply mark a character in a post as an "Avenger"?

This has been my argument. If the tag actually has a use that isn't covered by just simply searching each of the characters individually, then it has reason to exist and I'm supportive of it continuing to exist. AS it is, it has no use other than as a bloat tag on three of the five characters that belong to the club, regardless of the content of the image. To use your Iron Man reference, there is the Iron man cartoon and general IP that exists on its own, that may have small interactions with the rest of the Avengers but is mostly his solo experience. The Avengers have little to nothing to do with this show or toy line or whatnot, and thus, isn't tagged or noted as being part of The Avengers.

Iron Man himself is still a member of The Avengers, and any products reference that he is a member of The Avengers, be it in the box's packaging or when interacting with other members in those situations where they gather together to work towards an issue involving the Avenger Initiative, but it's not until they are together as a team working towards the Avenger Initiative that they are referred to collectively as The Avengers.

Anyone hearing the name The Avengers doesn't just go "Oh, The Avengers is Iron Man!", they go, "Iron Man, Ant-Man, The Wasp, Hulk, Thor" if they are familiar only with the originals, or for the current film team, "Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, Hawkeye, Black Widow" (if they're really familiar with the fandom, then there gets to be a massively long list of every single Avenger ever including new recruits and honorary members which frankly gets to be too long). So, as with The Avengers, I'd label the CMC as only the *main characters involved*.

If Sweetie Belle were to leave the CMC, and Babs Seed were to return, for example, then she would no longer be in the implication and Babs would be in, but as it currently stands she wouldn't be in because she is a niche case and quite possibly will never be relevant again- and that's the factor I'm basing it on. How relevant are they to the identity of the group being tagged.

So I'm hearing a lot of points that it "saves up tags" giving people the ability to search all three at once, along with other things. So why don't we do this for the main 6? Not saying we should, but we need to be consistent with these things. Not to mention that, as I mentioned, it isn't always used that way. People oftentimes tag it even when it's just one character, doing nothing related to cmc. And the bottom line is it's not something that's visible in the image. If we're going to be tagging groups someone's in, then why not tag where they live, what their job is, their birthday? Obviously these would be a stretch, but again, consistency.

I say don't tag groups. Don't tag avengers, don't tag justice_league, don't tag cutie_mark_crusaders. So you're losing a couple slots for other tags if you want to see them all together? Too bad. There is no point in having policies if you are going to add exceptions to them. Especially a group like this, where characters can be added on the fly, and will probably leave eventually.

ippiki_ookami said:
So I'm hearing a lot of points that it "saves up tags" giving people the ability to search all three at once, along with other things. So why don't we do this for the main 6? Not saying we should, but we need to be consistent with these things. Not to mention that, as I mentioned, it isn't always used that way. People oftentimes tag it even when it's just one character, doing nothing related to cmc. And the bottom line is it's not something that's visible in the image. If we're going to be tagging groups someone's in, then why not tag where they live, what their job is, their birthday? Obviously these would be a stretch, but again, consistency.

I say don't tag groups. Don't tag avengers, don't tag justice_league, don't tag cutie_mark_crusaders. So you're losing a couple slots for other tags if you want to see them all together? Too bad. There is no point in having policies if you are going to add exceptions to them. Especially a group like this, where characters can be added on the fly, and will probably leave eventually.

I am perfectly fine with this resolution as well.

So then what happens to https://e621.net/post/index/1/team_rocket?

Char said:
So then what happens to https://e621.net/post/index/1/team_rocket?

how about don't tag groups if they don't have a uniform or insignia, and if they do, tag images with the uniform/insignia. Almost like you would a superhero costume.

Char said:
So then what happens to https://e621.net/post/index/1/team_rocket?

Judging by
post #408757
and the fact that jessie_(team_rocket) -team_rocket is not empty this tag is used for tagging costume. So, do you want to tag costume of cutie mark crusaders* with this tag? While I still think that this tag is more suitable for 20pc it makes much more sense than umbrella tag. But then it needs cleaning.

*This:
post #376260
is picture containing cmc costume.

I agree with the mythological bird monster. They already have team rocket attached to their names, so it wouldn't be an issue, and the team_rocket tag can be used for cosplay purposes.

The second example makes me thing twice about nuking the tag completely. If we amended the wiki to state that the tag is only to be used when the emblem and/or cape is present, would it be feasible that people would follow it?

ippiki_ookami said:
... would it be feasible that people would follow it?

probably not

ippiki_ookami said:
The second example makes me thing twice about nuking the tag completely. If we amended the wiki to state that the tag is only to be used when the emblem and/or cape is present, would it be feasible that people would follow it?

Nobody ever reads the wiki and will wrongly tag anyway, but cleanup would be far easier with an actual definition for the tag

ippiki_ookami said: If we amended the wiki to state that the tag is only to be used when the emblem and/or cape is present, would it be feasible that people would follow it?

I do believe the majority of us have been supportive of this choice if it were to go through, as it's indicative of them working towards the club's goals specifically in the roles as members of the club, rather than just doing their own thing.

It took over 3 years, but I went ahead and made a wiki page for this:

cutie mark crusaders (mlp)

How does it look?

*cough* not to double-necro this, but cutie_mark_crusaders_(mlp)_ is still aliased to invalid_tag.

parasprite said:
*cough* not to double-necro this, but cutie_mark_crusaders_(mlp)_ is still aliased to invalid_tag.

AFAIK, bumping is "ok" as long as it's for a productive purpose. Bringing attention to something that was agreed on but never completed is certainly a valid purpose. Also, done, I moved it to go to the correct place now.

And the wiki looks pretty decent.