Implicating piledriver_position → sex
Link to implication

Reason:

-1

A piledriver doesn't automatically mean sex given it's a wrestling position.

We tag those as texas_piledriver. This one is strictly for sex.
The piledriver tag is ambiguous and occasionally needs to be sorted out, but I've yet to see anyone mistag piledriver_position. We only use *_position tags for sex positions, so they're not easy to get mixed up.

Genjar said:
We tag those as texas_piledriver. This one is strictly for sex.
The piledriver tag is ambiguous and occasionally needs to be sorted out, but I've yet to see anyone mistag piledriver_position. We only use *_position tags for sex positions, so they're not easy to get mixed up.

You don't think three piledriver tags is even a little superfluous?

Ko-san said:
You don't think three piledriver tags is even a little superfluous?

Not when they're for two completely different things, no.
And it's only two tags, since piledriver shouldn't be used.

Genjar said:
Not when they're for two completely different things, no.
And it's only two tags, since piledriver shouldn't be used.

Honestly it's the same thing. The tag was merely split to discern when there's penetration and when there isn't. Though it appears nobody uses texas_piledriver anyway, which makes sense given it's not a common name used for the hold.

Ko-san said:
Honestly it's the same thing. The tag was merely split to discern when there's penetration and when there isn't. Though it appears nobody uses texas_piledriver anyway, which makes sense given it's not a common name used for the hold.

It's not the same position at all.

texas_piledriver: post #409106 post #314112 post #180287 post #8405 --torsos pressed together, heads near crotches...if it is similar to any sex position, it would be the 69 position.

piledriver_position: post #541300 post #529392 post #505585 post #496991 post #491555 --torsos touching would be physically impossible to do, and the the only parts touching are basically the crotch and maybe a leg grab. If it bears any resemblance to another sex position, it's almost like a vertical ass_to_ass combined with an upside-down table_lotus_position. But not really. That's why it has it's own sex position tag.

In any case, the position is not the same between the wrestling move and the sex position. In fact, the two positions could not be mistaken for each other in a side by side comparison since they aren't really all that similar. I can only see two things in common: 1, both have someone turned upside down, just like several other holds and positions though, and 2, both have the word "piledriver" somewhere worked into their name, but that's a little more than a superficial similarity. It hardly means that they're "the same thing". And if usage of the tags isn't mixing them up at all, then I don't see any existing problem.

I do think implicating piledriver_position to --> sex makes sense though, especially since the *_position indicates it's a sex_position. So +1 from me.

It's the same as a square. Both the Texas (or Classic) Piledriver and the Piledriver Position (aka the Wheelbarrow Piledriver) are both just piledrivers. Techniques in which a person is thrown into the ground head first. I still don't think there should be three tags for it lest ones merely discerning slight differences in the technique. If anything, I think they should all be aliased to "Piledriving". The act of performing a piledriver.

Then there's stuff like the Lucario Pic where they are performing the wheelbarrow piledriver (piledriver position) but are not having sex.

And it still baffles me that every pic you've posted here, besides 3, are blacklisted.

If this weren't a board focused on sex (or should I say explicit content) then I would agree with you Ko-san. But as it stands the focus here is porn, and if someone searches Piledriver, they probably don't want to see someone actually getting a piledriver, they probably want to see piledriver position. When they search for piledriver, they'll get this handy little hint asking if they want to see the texas_piledriver tag, or the piledriver_position tag. I'd bet that 90% of the time they'll go for piledriver_position, because that's what they're looking for. Aliasing the two will make it more difficult to dilineate the two, and it'll require work to change. Yes, with your idea you could search for "piledriver rating:e" or "piledriver sex" but it already works the way it is, so why bother changing it? Also, we already tag different positions as *_position, so why make piledriver different?

It doesn't help that 99% of the content with "piledriver position" is sex, and that there are only 5 pictures with Texas Piledriver as their tag (also this isn't a Texas Piledriver, it's called a Reverse Piledriver). If you really want two tags for piledriver, then you would need one that encompasses any piledriver with sex (piledriver_position) and any piledriver without sex (piledriving). Or you could cut out the middle man and make one tag.

Ko-san said: If you really want two tags for piledriver, then you would need one that encompasses any piledriver with sex (piledriver_position) and any piledriver without sex (piledriving). Or you could cut out the middle man and make one tag.

What are you even talking about.
That's how it is divided right now: one tag for the wrestling move, and one tag for the sex position. And combining those would make absolutely no sense at all. It'd be as absurd as combining wrestling and sex under the same tag.

Genjar said:
What are you even talking about.
That's how it is divided right now: one tag for the wrestling move, and one tag for the sex position. And combining those would make absolutely no sense at all. It'd be as absurd as combining wrestling and sex under the same tag.

Which is essentially what you are trying to do. Imply that the wrestling move, or the position thereafter, always leads to sex.

Ko-san said:
Which is essentially what you are trying to do. Imply that the wrestling move, or the position thereafter, always leads to sex.

Uh, nope.
This is piledriver_position: http://i49.tinypic.com/2nknss7.jpg, and it's only tagged for sex. Just like all the other *_position tags. If there's no sex going on, it's mistagged.

See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piledriver_%28sexual%29.

The wrestling move goes under the other tag.

The sex position is derived from the wrestling move. Specifically the Wheelbarrow piledriver. There are over twenty different variations of the piledriver. Calling all of the ones with sex "piledriver position" and all without sex "Texas piledriver" is inaccurate. I don't see the problem with merely having one tag anyway.

*facepalm*
No. It's derived from pile driver. From this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pile_driver, and the sex position predates pro wrestling by at least a couple of decades: it's as old as the first porn movies.

As I've said before, it's got nothing to do with any wresting moves, and it'd be silly to break up the whole sex position group, just to mix two unrelated tags together. So enough of this nonsense. I've already wasted too much time trying to explain this.

Edit: Don't make me dig up my vintage 30's porn collection. I'm sure I've seen that position labeled as pile driver on one of the pre-sound shorts. It's one of the classic porn industry positions, because you can actually see what's going on (though based on the biographies I've read, most actors hated doing it); and both it and the wrestling move derive their names from the downward pounding of a pile driver.

Top four results on urban dictionary don't even mention wrestling for the piledriver entry. Using the term for sex is overwhelmingly more common.

A Piledriver is a Piledriver. It's a technique in which one person ends face down ass up and there are many variations. There are pictures under the tag without sex. Adding and implication for one use of the technique and generalizing the other use of the technique incorrectly is asinine.

Though, whatever a mod says, I don't care what happens. I'm not going to do anything about it anyway.

Edit: In addition, the first pornographic film was created in 1896 and was strip tease. Up until 1969 pornography was banned almost entirely with any films prior (starting in the 1920's) was amateur film created for personal use. Thus the true "oldest porno movies" dates back to the 1970's. The Piledriver (a wrestling technique named after the Pile Driver) has unknown origins that dates back to the 1940's. It's use has been largely banned starting at the 1970's given the dangerous nature of the technique.

Sorry ko-san, still in agreement with Genjar.

The "piledriver position" itself came about long before the term was coined, it was just called something different. If you'd like me to look up in the Kama sutra I can. Regardless, my point is that the sex position wasn't based off of the 1940's pile driver wrestling technique. It came long before that (giggidy).

The "butterfly position" was named because it evokes memories of a butterfly's wings, that doesn't mean we should alias both to butterfly. The piledriver position was called that because it resembles the piledriver wrestling move, that doesn't mean we should alias both to piledriver.

what if there's no penetration happening?

ippiki_ookami said:
what if there's no penetration happening?

Then it shouldn't be tagged with this, since it's just one character on_top of another. We don't tag missionary_position either, if there's no penetration.

We absolutely cannot use *_position tag group for anything else but sex, that'd break the wildcard-search.

Approved.

The concerns about it being confused for the wrestling move are specious considering the physical position is not even close to similar, to the point where being in the texas_piledriver hold with someone would make it physically impossible to then have piledriver_position sex without changing their position. They're not that similar, but even more significant is that they're physically exclusive to each other. The only similarity is that they both derived their names inspired by the same piece of machinery. But even if they had been named after each other, the fact remains they are still a distinctly different physical position to the point where it is impossible to mistake one for the other. So they're still better off as separate tags. Inspired by the same thing doesn't make them the same thing.

Interestingly enough, if the texas_piledriver wrestling hold was similar to any sex position, it would be the 69 position. But even then, the purpose is different so the similarity is of dubious observation value (except maybe as trivia).