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There is a site called e6AI and i have seen usernames like bitWolfy, Lance Armstrong and NotMeNotYou on that site. I searched it on the e621 forums and there was no metion of it. Is that site run by the e621 staff or is it a third party project trying to pass off as part of e621?
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Based on what the mods always say about AI art, I doubt it's legit.
dubsthefox said:
Based on what the mods always say about AI art, I doubt it's legit.
The site seemed sus when i read the rules; NSFW cub is not allowed on that site.
seems like a low-effort direct rip, like, the wiki still says e621.
A lot of the staff are the same, so if it's not official they're all being impersonated.
It looks like a few people have asked if it's official on the Discord before too, but nobody ever confirmed either way.
It looks like an alternative site is being set up for what will no doubt be a huge influx of AI generated furry art. This is probably the best solution overall, satisfying users who want to see AI art but also people who don't want it on e621 for whatever reason. Props to the people doing this.
leomole said:
It looks like an alternative site is being set up for what will no doubt be a huge influx of AI generated furry art. This is probably the best solution overall, satisfying users who want to see AI art but also people who don't want it on e621 for whatever reason. Props to the people doing this.
They should not be impersonating staff from this site. And they should allow NSFW cub art.
I don't think there's any impersonation going on. For more details you could look through the e6ai-discussion channel on the Furry Diffusion Discord server.
Should have called it
cutefox123 said:
seems like a low-effort direct rip, like, the wiki still says e621.
its TOS does this too
It's owned and operated by BD.
Some of staff members helped set things up, but it's likely going to have its own separate staff and its own community.
There hadn't been an announcement because it's still being worked on and tested. Hell, there aren't even any mascots on the landing page.
bitwolfy said:
It's owned and operated by BD
I am surprised tbh. But it will help to have AI art removed from e621. And I am happy about that.
bitwolfy said:
There hadn't been an announcement because it's still being worked on and tested. Hell, there aren't even any mascots on the landing page.
Ahh, people's ability to stick their nose into stuff they shouldn't is terrifying isn't it?
bitwolfy said:
...but it's likely going to have its own separate staff and its own community.
Me and the boys after e6AI eventually gets taken over by our machine overlords
NGL, considering the general stance of artists towards AI art, this thing sounds like a takedown generating machine.
Oh god, that community will be a shit pool.
eeveesbeingassholes said:
Oh god, that community will be a shit pool.
Nah I think it's just gonna have some periodical wave of users, or die eventually.
I believe AI art, while a possible usefull tool for some stuff I can't think of atm, is for the majority of the folks a funny techy quirk.
Art without challenge and growth is art with minimal to no sense of accomplishment, short-term dopamine and such. Should be a matter of time before people lose interest on it.
m3g4p0n1 said:
Art without challenge and growth is art with minimal to no sense of accomplishment, short-term dopamine and such. Should be a matter of time before people lose interest on it.
Figuring out what prompt to use after days of trying different prompts to get what you wanted gives a sense of accomplishment.
electricitywolf said:
Figuring out what prompt to use after days of trying different prompts to get what you wanted gives a sense of accomplishment.
To say nothing of people/companies who just want art while paying as little as possible, who won't care about a sense of accomplishment as long as they get "art" and don't have to pay someone for their skill.
It is odd seeing e6 being so interested in getting that site set up, given the distaste toward AI "art" shown, particularly by the likes of NMNY. It also makes me wonder how long until it gets "its own separate staff", since I can't help but notice the drop-off in support here the last few months (ever-increasing ticket queue, time-to-approval seeming to be higher on average, and even takedowns slowed to every 2 or 3 days when it used to be fairly consistent daily).
watsit said:
To say nothing of people/companies who just want art while paying as little as possible, who won't care about a sense of accomplishment as long as they get "art" and don't have to pay someone for their skill.It is odd seeing e6 being so interested in getting that site set up, given the distaste toward AI "art" shown, particularly by the likes of NMNY. It also makes me wonder how long until it gets "its own separate staff", since I can't help but notice the drop-off in support here the last few months (ever-increasing ticket queue, time-to-approval seeming to be higher on average, and even takedowns slowed to every 2 or 3 days when it used to be fairly consistent daily).
Your conclusions are incorrect. As I said, that project is run by BD. Dasa is nominally in charge.
The e621 staff are barely involved – you can see who did what in the mod actions.
The drop-off in support on e621 has more to do with us trying to fill the void Millcore left when she quit stopped handling those, rather than anything to do with e6ai.
We have stuff in the works to help clean up the various queues here.
I don't know what the situation is with takedowns, but there isn't a whole lot that can be done about that.
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bitwolfy said:
Your conclusions are incorrect. As I said, that project is run by BD. Dasa is nominally in charge.
The e621 staff are barely involved – you can see who did what in the mod actions.The drop-off in support on e621 has more to do with us trying to fill the void Millcore left when she quit, rather than anything to do with e6ai.
We have stuff in the works to help clean up the various queues here.
- we have already added four new janitors, and intend to bring in more
- we are planning to put some people on the AIBUR queue (mainly via internal reshuffling)
- we intend to expand the tickets team
I don't know what the situation is with takedowns, but there isn't a whole lot that can be done about that.
Wait, Millcore quit?
werideatdawn said:
Wait, Millcore quit?
She's largely stopped handling tickets, at least. But she does still hang around posting and approving posts, and occasionally does moderation stuff.
m3g4p0n1 said:
Nah I think it's just gonna have some periodical wave of users, or die eventually.I believe AI art, while a possible usefull tool for some stuff I can't think of atm, is for the majority of the folks a funny techy quirk.
Art without challenge and growth is art with minimal to no sense of accomplishment, short-term dopamine and such. Should be a matter of time before people lose interest on it.
Oof, you have no idea. There already is a problem with art thieves re posting traced art or just the og art piece.
Considering the shitty behavior pattern of these people, who i have dealt with before, I don't think this will be a pleasant result.
leomole said:
...look through the e6ai-discussion channel on the Furry Diffusion Discord server.
Just out of curiosity, is Furry Diffusion an AI model for generating furry art? If so, what is the dataset they used to train their model?
I fear with all these AI art talk and the recent debacle with DeviantArt's AI model, DreamUp, that people might not be too happy with this. Especially when in comes down to consent with people's artworks being used in models.
The Furry Diffusion Discord is for AI generated furry art regardless of model. Some examples are Yiffy (epoch 18 released Sep 25), Furry (epoch 4 released Sep 26), YiffAI (V2.2 epoch 14 released Jan 1) and NovelAI Furry (V1.3 released Nov 21) all of which are based on Stable Diffusion and trained on images from e621. And there are various embeddings, hypernetworks and DreamBooth tunings of these models of course.
No doubt there are people unhappy that their art was used for training. But the question of whether artists have a moral right to disallow human or AI art generators from learning from their art is moot at this point, it's going to happen regardless. If it's on the internet, it's usable for training.
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m3g4p0n1 said:
Nah I think it's just gonna have some periodical wave of users, or die eventually.I believe AI art, while a possible usefull tool for some stuff I can't think of atm, is for the majority of the folks a funny techy quirk.
Art without challenge and growth is art with minimal to no sense of accomplishment, short-term dopamine and such. Should be a matter of time before people lose interest on it.
Nah. I don't know about the longevity of e6ai.net, but AI art in general is not going to be brushed under the rug:
https://e6ai.net/posts?tags=set%3Alanceset
https://e6ai.net/posts?tags=colossal_exhoost_fume
The outcome will be the exact opposite of what you predict, with AI art gaining traction as it becomes better, easier to create, and working well on the latest budget GPUs. If someone believes the result is the accomplishment, they will gladly use any tools available to get the job done. There's no need to start and stop at text-to-image generation either. Most of the best AI art involves manual touchups, and that will continue to be the case.
Anyway, anyone who has had their AI posts nuked should upload them over there instead. They are getting posted here every couple of days:
Millcore leaving was news to me, too...
What's likely to happen is just like we have video sites, image sites, and so-on-focused sites, alongside the few that try to be everything poorly/acceptably, we'll have specialist boorus for AI art. This is good thing because it makes it almost trivial to automatically reject any art already posted on them.
watsit said:
She's largely stopped handling tickets, at least. But she does still hang around posting and approving posts, and occasionally does moderation stuff.
I was about to say, must’ve been brand spanking new news cuz she just approved some of my posts 2 days ago.
lance_armstrong said:
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The outcome will be the exact opposite of what you predict, with AI art gaining traction as it becomes better, easier to create, and working well on the latest budget GPUs. If someone believes the result is the accomplishment, they will gladly use any tools available to get the job done. There's no need to start and stop at text-to-image generation either. Most of the best AI art involves manual touchups, and that will continue to be the case.
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I see, I forgot people can do the same things for different reasons and objectives.
Either way, perhaps creating a open space focused on AI content was a good call. Censoring/banning content may have just led to moderating issues where ai enthusiasts try to pass off as regular artists, and ai dislikers flag more posts very often because they think the posts look suspicious.
Ai site for Ai art, normal site for normal art. As a layman, it sounds easier to manage.
wat8548 said:
NGL, considering the general stance of artists towards AI art, this thing sounds like a takedown generating machine.
It's little short of demented, AI "art" gets reactions ranging from "I hate this" to psychotic rage from artists and most of their supporters. This site we're on has almost all of the content provided by artists who accept that it's here or just don't care if it is. bitWolfy better find out about that takedown situation fairly soon.
beeseverywhere said:
bitWolfy better find out about that takedown situation fairly soon.
I am not involved with e6ai anymore, nor do I handle takedowns.
Not sure why you are focusing on me.
beeseverywhere said:
It's little short of demented, AI "art" gets reactions ranging from "I hate this" to psychotic rage from artists and most of their supporters. This site we're on has almost all of the content provided by artists who accept that it's here or just don't care if it is. bitWolfy better find out about that takedown situation fairly soon.
The takedown policy on e6AI assumes that the "director"—you'll be seeing that word a lot—has the rights to a post, even though AI art may not be legally copyrightable. Parts of the industry are pretending there is a rights holder, such as Adobe allowing AI art in their stock image service this week. Eventually, the copyright status of AI art will have to be settled by SCOTUS.
I don't see any rules about copying an artist's style yet, but e6AI does allow character owners to issue takedowns to keep their characters off of there. The DNP list is shared between both sites, or at least a copied and pasted snapshot of e621's DNP list applies there, so some of them are already off-limits. NO PADDINGTON BEAR FOR YOU.
https://e6ai.net/wiki_pages/4
https://e6ai.net/static/takedown
https://e6ai.net/wiki_pages/23
If you mean that enraged artists will go full DNP on e621 over the mere existence of the e6AI site, it wouldn't be the first time that artists have done so for petty reasons, and it won't be the last. The more this site is undermined, the more demand there will be for alternatives that have a good tagging system but don't respect copyright law.
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Imo, a separate site for AI artwork does seem to be a good compromise rather than the original "ban it all" stance. Disambiguates things quite well and gives a method to test the waters more.
Could also be useful for showing current and future developments over time as well.
kora_viridian said:
One way to force this is to fire up a new, empty AI model, train it on everything Disney has produced from Steamboat Willie to date, and then put it online and make sure the entire Internet knows about it. Disney will fund the case that goes to the Supremes, and/or purchase the required legislative changes to the DMCA, to resolve it one way or the other.
That model wouldn't matter. Disney can use existing copyright and trademark laws to get what it wants. Trademarks can be maintained indefinitely.
kora_viridian said:
I wonder what happens if enough artists who also go to cons start complaining to the con organizers about the presence of BD in the dealer's room, due to BD's support of AI art? Or is it that 1) that situation is considered unlikely by BD or 2) BD's con sales are a small enough fraction of their overall sales that they don't care?
It wasn't my decision to start e6AI, you'd have to check with someone else. But I think it would be a grave mistake for cons to deprive guests of a source of dildos to shove in their holes.
lance_armstrong said:
The takedown policy on e6AI assumes that the "director" has the rights to a post
Does it? Directors aren't mentioned on the takedown page. Parties who can submit takedowns are legal copyright holders and commissioners, and I don't think directors are generally considered legal copyright holders. It sounds like neither artists (of training data) nor directors will be able to force takedowns.
lance_armstrong said:
I don't see any rules about copying an artist's style yet, but e6AI does allow character owners to issue takedowns
Character owners are copyright holders because character likenesses are copyrightable. But artistic style is not, you cannot be sued for copying another artist's style (at least not style alone).
Caveats: I am not a legal expert, these rights vary between jurisdictions and e6AI may decide to adopt completely different policies anyway.
leomole said:
Does it? Directors aren't mentioned on the takedown page. Parties who can submit takedowns are legal copyright holders and commissioners, and I don't think directors are generally considered legal copyright holders. It sounds like neither artists (of training data) nor directors will be able to force takedowns.
The uploading guidelines say:
Good things to upload:
AI art you have directed or commissioned.
AI art the original director has given you permission to post here.
If you have to be or get permission from the Executive Producer, then it stands to reason that not getting permission means they can request for it to be taken down.
The text on the takedown static page is just an exact copy of ours and might need to be updated for clarity.
Good things to upload:
- Any AI created art relevant to "furries"
- AI art you have directed or commissioned.
- AI art the original director has given you permission to post here.
I think the line about permission suggests that getting permission is encouraged but not required, just like it is on e621. These guidelines are based on the e621 one after all:
Good things to upload:
- Any art relevant to "furries"
- Art you have created or commissioned.
- Art the original artist has given you permission to post here.
But yes, it could be that they just haven't updated their takedown policy.
lance_armstrong said:
The takedown policy on e6AI assumes that the "director"—you'll be seeing that word a lot—has the rights to a post, even though AI art may not be legally copyrightable. Parts of the industry are pretending there is a rights holder, such as Adobe allowing AI art in their stock image service this week. Eventually, the copyright status of AI art will have to be settled by SCOTUS.I don't see any rules about copying an artist's style yet, but e6AI does allow character owners to issue takedowns to keep their characters off of there. The DNP list is shared between both sites, or at least a copied and pasted snapshot of e621's DNP list applies there, so some of them are already off-limits. NO PADDINGTON BEAR FOR YOU.
https://e6ai.net/wiki_pages/4
https://e6ai.net/static/takedown
https://e6ai.net/wiki_pages/23If you mean that enraged artists will go full DNP on e621 over the mere existence of the e6AI site, it wouldn't be the first time that artists have done so for petty reasons, and it won't be the last. The more this site is undermined, the more demand there will be for alternatives that have a good tagging system but don't respect copyright law.
Wow, US Supreme Court? This is a global copyright issue, but that would be a good start. I suspect what'll happen is it'll be like performances compared to composers. It's hard to argue that the entire concept of derivative works needs to be reworked. Too bad the principles involved in publishing industry have a vested interest in fucking it up and not being one bit fair, even if it helps the overall industry in the long run. See also: The story of the Golden Goose
Also: /me creates a Teddybeaooru out of spite (joke)
I'd prefer that AI art stays off e621 for one simple reason: All the legal headaches it will attract.
alphamule said:
Wow, US Supreme Court?
Well, the fact of the matter is that e6 servers are located in the US and the site is owned by an American company, so e6 must at the very least follow US law. Though I too can't wait for the sequel to the international treaty, Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works 2: AI Boogaloo. Will be a fine read when it comes out.
lance_armstrong said:
Eventually, the copyright status of AI art will have to be settled by SCOTUS.
This might be relevant: https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/11/githubs_copilot_opinion/
electricitywolf said:
They should not be impersonating staff from this site. And they should allow NSFW cub art.
thats what your worried about child porn!?!?
as lifeline says "check yoself or wreck yoself."
gjyg15 said:
thats what your worried about child porn!?!?as lifeline says "check yoself or wreck yoself."
Calm down, you are getting mad for no reason in a thread that's been dead for 8 months.
Why are you even here? Go look at some yiff or something.
thegreatwolfgang said:
Should have called iteඞ21
that's a kek
cinder said:
Calm down, you are getting mad for no reason in a thread that's been dead for 8 months.
Why are you even here? Go look at some yiff or something.
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