Every time I encounter something or get reminders regarding nsfw servers on discord and such, and seeing posts online talking negatively about furry shota, or “cub porn” (a term I’ve began to hate seeing), this feeling of shame pops up. It never happened back when i first encountered furry shota, because I was just a curious kid who was intrigued about seeing more cute anthropomorphic boys, considering my prior likings to them from other media like tails wubzy gumball etc. It didn’t phase me that what I was liking was wrong in any way, until years later, where I was getting back to liking furry shota again, and trying to join servers and what not, and then I discovered how “cub porn” was banned on discord years ago, and how much backlash and hate it received, and this feeling of shame soon developed. I got jealous of those who were able to fit in and not be judged, I felt like I couldn’t fit in because the only way to find folks who share my interest were through luck on Kik and rule34, etc. Still, I wasnt feeling any better knowing the amount of people and even big companies despise it, even tho I can’t exactly blame them. It still hurts whenever I get those reminders, and even after being reassured by those who don’t like it, this feeling can’t exactly go away. I don’t want to leave discord either because I have a lot friends over there who are freest people, and so it’s practically just me accepting pain for social interaction. No matter what, I will always try to forget about it and not let it consume, and to remember that there’s artists art there who draw whatever and not let the hate get to them. Helps me to continue to accept what I like and to embrace it in a healthy way.

Edit: Man when I think I can stomach reading the community guidelines of discord and seeing “cub” in it just brings in so much shame in me.

If you begin to wonder if your choices are actually meaningful and whether you'll ever make a significant contribution to the world, just remember, that in the vast infiniteness of space, your thoughts and problems are materially insignificant and the feeling should subside. -The Stanley Parable.

Reminder that society standards can often be dumb.

Some people still, in the current day, feel shame for not being able to accept their indentifying gender, sexual orientation, or even what job and future aspirations they have without society somehow burdening them with doubt. (i.e: "You wanna be an artist? You're gonna starve")

Of course, these stuff are different from liking a theme of porn, but still... I think you shouldn't feel shame.

People may say your liking for young looking furries, which do not exist, and can not represent a real existing person, is wrong, because it's just is.
Mean while, these same people consume IRL vanilla porn, which they know have real people, they know that they may or may not be doing it willingly, they could be being abused into doing that, but people don't dare think about their own morals sometimes, just wanna nut.

It may be an oversimplification, but the point is, as long as you don't have an interest in real young boys, you do not have to feel shame.

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Alternatively, feeling shame can be a positive thing, because it keeps your kink from "evolving into something else", but I don't really know what to say about this way of thinking, feels like a easy excuse to explain things.

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Take it with a grain of salt, but I recall the cub porn ban on discord was just a dumb consequence of Discord's double standard. They batlantly allowed cub porn, but banned loli porn. Users who enjoyed loli content raised polemic, which shined light onto the fact discord allows cub porn, budging companies supporting discord into demanding a ban on anything nsfw of young characters.

Pop quiz, hotshot. What is Dexter's number one rule?

I feel shame for almost every decision I make and every different thing I like, I just figured it was normal.

There's no shame from looking at Jpegs and PNGs
if you feel shame for it, I know where you can go......twitter

cause if looking at a drawing can bring you guilt then you got something deeper going on in that noodle of yours

I beleieve you're being conformed into woke media and are being assimilated into a mob mentality
Don't be a sheep, like what you like, just don't hurt anybody and keep it to yourself

Just be a normal person with a couple screws loose in your noggin, it's not that hard.
You're a furry so you're already down this rabbit hole.

Feeling shame over cute small furry girls and boys, okay we get it you have Lolicon fantasies, let's move on.
There's war, starvation, global warming, and all this other shit happening in the world.
Nobody cares about ya looking at some PNG other than Twitter.

Let's get back to the BIZNIZ
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dawnsilver23 said:
Every time I encounter something or get reminders regarding nsfw servers on discord and such, and seeing posts online talking negatively about furry shota, or “cub porn” (a term I’ve began to hate seeing), this feeling of shame pops up. It never happened back when i first encountered furry shota, because I was just a curious kid who was intrigued about seeing more cute anthropomorphic boys, considering my prior likings to them from other media like tails wubzy gumball etc. It didn’t phase me that what I was liking was wrong in any way, until years later, where I was getting back to liking furry shota again, and trying to join servers and what not, and then I discovered how “cub porn” was banned on discord years ago, and how much backlash and hate it received, and this feeling of shame soon developed. I got jealous of those who were able to fit in and not be judged, I felt like I couldn’t fit in because the only way to find folks who share my interest were through luck on Kik and rule34, etc. Still, I wasnt feeling any better knowing the amount of people and even big companies despise it, even tho I can’t exactly blame them. It still hurts whenever I get those reminders, and even after being reassured by those who don’t like it, this feeling can’t exactly go away. I don’t want to leave discord either because I have a lot friends over there who are freest people, and so it’s practically just me accepting pain for social interaction. No matter what, I will always try to forget about it and not let it consume, and to remember that there’s artists art there who draw whatever and not let the hate get to them. Helps me to continue to accept what I like and to embrace it in a healthy way.

Edit: Man when I think I can stomach reading the community guidelines of discord and seeing “cub” in it just brings in so much shame in me.

For me, it's a taboo i know i'm crossing, both morally and legally. But i always remind myself, it's drawings not real people, and if it helps me from hurting real kids, it's allright for me. That's probably why i don't feel shameful personally.

Being able to be in this community allowed me to basically relieve my pent up ness of needing to talk, discuss, "do the dirty" to these subject, and if the end result is me being more sane, i see it as a win.

lance_armstrong said:
Pop quiz, hotshot. What is Dexter's number one rule?

Never talk about the fight club.

dawnsilver23 said:
Every time I encounter something or get reminders regarding nsfw servers on discord and such, and seeing posts online talking negatively about furry shota, or “cub porn” (a term I’ve began to hate seeing), this feeling of shame pops up.

If you feel so much shame about it: There's a lot of porn tags, just focus on something else. I personally would think it's pretty harmless, especially furry stuff is about as removed from people as you can get, but if you feel a deep shame it may be for a variety of reasons and don't push yourself into it.

This is going to be something your going to have to decide for yourself. Being peer pressured or given false reassurances aren't going to help you, either do it or don't. :3

I don't want to be that guy, but if that content is making you uncomfortable, then I recommend using your blacklist.

the fuck a shota? that like slang for shotty?
if so then hell yeah i like furry shotas
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If you are really struggling with yourself, psychotherapy can be very useful in helping you understand yourself, be in control of yourself and accept yourself. Of course, there are many different psycotherapists out there, and they are all only human, but any psychotherapist worth half their salt will help people to accept themselves and manage in life.

Keep in mind that people fantasizing about things and people acting out things are not the same thing. Shota can make your gut wrench, as children should never be hurt in the reality. However, when it comes to pedophilia, not all (probably most) pedophiles ever act out their fantasies, and not all people who sexually abuse children are pedophiles – a very common scenario is general physical abuse turning into sexual acts, especially in connection with alcohol use.

But, indeed, children should never hurt, so it benefits you and the whole world, if you can find that self confidence and resolve, after which you also would not feel so ashamed. Uncertainties are the biggest challenges in life, for example the uncertainty that "would I ever".

It is completely normal.

The feeling of shame is due to how our moral boundaries develop from society and the people around us as we are brought up in real life.
Just like feeling disgust if you come across other fetishes not seen as culturally appropriate, such as enjoying gore, violence, other people's pain and suffering, etc.
And that feeling is actually a good thing, since it helps us to keeps in check of what is considered "good" or "bad" to do in real life.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying shota/cub artwork, just like enjoying any other type of artwork since they are all fictional. The same can be said with violent video games and such.
It only becomes bad if you believe that these sort of actions can be carried out in real life and done to real people. Then, it becomes harmful and should be discouraged.

As for the stigma surrounding cub porn on Discord and other sites, you should understand that they all need to adhere to local laws & regulations, and even cultural standards.
Cub porn is seen negatively due to their association with paedophilia and child sexual abusers in real life. In addition, people like to draw similarities when it comes to illegal child porn and fictional shota/cub artwork.
That is why Discord (and most US-based companies) steer clear away from these sort of things due to public disdain and the legal grey area it poses.
Interestingly enough, you don't see that level of hate for shota/loli artworks if you look towards the country of origin, Japan, where they are legal and are openly published and sold to the general masses.

Reminder that the outside world thinks you liking of furry porn in bestiality anyways. None of it's real, and if you know that, and you feel nothing beyond that, then you are healthy enough to know what fantasy is

Something I think a lot of people are missing with these posts is that op's shame is less internal and more reflected in an external and social sense. They're seeing other people rejecting something they've enjoyed and it's causing them distress.

Is that normal? Hell yes it is. It's the human condition.

urielfrys said:
If you are really struggling with yourself, psychotherapy can be very useful in helping you understand yourself, be in control of yourself and accept yourself. Of course, there are many different psycotherapists out there, and they are all only human, but any psychotherapist worth half their salt will help people to accept themselves and manage in life.

Going to therapy would be a bad idea. In some countries, therapists are required by law to report patients with sexual attraction to minors. I don't think OP is attracted to real children, i just think the therapist might think they is. Even if OP is in a country where therapists are not required to do that, the therapist might do it anyway.

There are many stories of people seeking help and getting arrested and questioned without actually committing any crime.

electricitywolf said:
Going to therapy would be a bad idea. In some countries, therapists are required by law to report patients with sexual attraction to minors.

It's best to look up your local laws about it, and how exactly it applies. In some countries, the confidentiality between a medical professional (which may include licensed therapists) and patient is of the utmost importance, alongside other things like attorney-client privilege, and doctors can get in serious trouble for breaking that confidentiality even to the cops. People are unlikely to seek care if they have to be concerned their doctor may turn them over to the authorities, after all. It would only be extenuating circumstances, that you are an imminent danger to someone or that they have direct knowledge of a criminal act, that they may have to say something to the authorities. But again, it's best to look into what the laws are like in your area. Different countries, and different territories within a county, will have different rules and regulations.

proudleo said:
Something I think a lot of people are missing with these posts is that op's shame is less internal and more reflected in an external and social sense. They're seeing other people rejecting something they've enjoyed and it's causing them distress.

Is that normal? Hell yes it is. It's the human condition.

Late response since I was busy with stuff but that pretty much sums it up. I don’t feel that sort of shame whenever I enjoy the content. It’s only when I get reminders or I see any hate for it online (which I’ll admit in some cases it was on purpose due to curiosity) that I feel that shame and thinking that I shouldn’t feel accepted in a way. I don’t feel shame with liking furry stuff, I like furry women and men just like the average joe out there, and I don’t really show my interest in furry in the servers I’m in because I simply wanna maintain an image and be mindful. I suppose it’s the emotional attachment I had with furry shorts that if I see any hate towards it or any site forbidding it that I care about that’s when it hits.

thegreatwolfgang said:

The feeling of shame is due to how our moral boundaries develop from society and the people around us as we are brought up in real life…
And that feeling is actually a good thing, since it helps us to keeps in check of what is considered "good" or "bad" to do in real life…

As for the stigma surrounding cub porn on Discord and other sites, you should understand that they all need to adhere to local laws & regulations, and even cultural standards.
Cub porn is seen negatively due to their association with paedophilia and child sexual abusers in real life. In addition, people like to draw similarities when it comes to illegal child porn and fictional shota/cub artwork.
That is why Discord (and most US-based companies) steer clear away from these sort of things due to public disdain and the "legal grey area"

I’ll admit I consider myself to be morally grey due to the many things I’ve done in the past I regret at a young age, and the many fantasies I’ve had. In the end tho it all came down to simply: “is this worth committing, is it worth risking my life and having it wasted in sentence all cause I chose to do it?”. But yes, I did hear about how me being highly empathetic results in me listening to morals that may or may not be good or reflect on who I am. It’s why I still attempt to do the right thing even when morally I know it’s not there in me, because at the end I wanna at least do good and not harm.

Other than that, appreciate the help y’all have given. It’s gonna be hard to not listen to the haters or feel excluded in a way, but hey if an artist I know can sell furry shota merch on their Etsy pages with no issues, then I’m sure I’ll be able to feel happy about what I like : ).

There is nothing wrong with feeling shame about stuff. It helps to keep people's morality and sense of self in check. If people stopped feeling shame it would likely end up causing problems, and it keeps from some people from deluding themselves into thinking that their fetish (while fine in a fiction) is acceptable in anyway in real life.

Like, my avatar is lesbian mother/daughter incest, and I know that is not in anyway acceptable in real life nor should it be.

Like others mentioned - it's normal both to feel or not feel this way about something. i.e. Don't worry about it too much.

Blacklists are used by far less jaded than me. Mine is empty but I don't think that's common. At least it feels good to have a choice in the matter.

I will just judge you if you like the wrong boyos, I wont elaborate who they are...

But on a serious note it's normal, just know where and when to talk about it, there are good posts and advices here on this thread.

lance_armstrong said:
Pop quiz, hotshot. What is Dexter's number one rule?

I had to search that up. According to Google it's "Don't get caught." Bruh 💀

dawnsilver23 said:
Late response since I was busy with stuff but that pretty much sums it up. I don’t feel that sort of shame whenever I enjoy the content. It’s only when I get reminders or I see any hate for it online (which I’ll admit in some cases it was on purpose due to curiosity) that I feel that shame and thinking that I shouldn’t feel accepted in a way. I don’t feel shame with liking furry stuff, I like furry women and men just like the average joe out there, and I don’t really show my interest in furry in the servers I’m in because I simply wanna maintain an image and be mindful. I suppose it’s the emotional attachment I had with furry shorts that if I see any hate towards it or any site forbidding it that I care about that’s when it hits.

I’ll admit I consider myself to be morally grey due to the many things I’ve done in the past I regret at a young age, and the many fantasies I’ve had. In the end tho it all came down to simply: “is this worth committing, is it worth risking my life and having it wasted in sentence all cause I chose to do it?”. But yes, I did hear about how me being highly empathetic results in me listening to morals that may or may not be good or reflect on who I am. It’s why I still attempt to do the right thing even when morally I know it’s not there in me, because at the end I wanna at least do good and not harm.

Other than that, appreciate the help y’all have given.

aunty_cougar said:
If you feel so much shame about it: There's a lot of porn tags, just focus on something else. I personally would think it's pretty harmless, especially furry stuff is about as removed from people as you can get, but if you feel a deep shame it may be for a variety of reasons and don't push yourself into it.

This is going to be something your going to have to decide for yourself. Being peer pressured or given false reassurances aren't going to help you, either do it or don't. :3

This absolutely. Btw op, you don't seem like a bad guy at all.