Please stop tagging child to Lalafells and 18+ people.

They are not children, TWYS is applied yes this is true but I 100% think that people who tag child to these 18+ characters are ignorant of alternative tags that SHOULD and MUST be used.
In regards to the race lalafell not a single one of them are CUBS or CHILDREN

Tag appropriately with the following loli - shota - oppai loli and/or young not child

I spent just a small 10 minutes removing child tag, so it wasn't a big deal.
But it still peeved me a little bit.

It made me think back then how people would tag Faun to Elora when the faun_(spyro) tag exists.
In short, broaden your tagging vocabulary.

of course people wouldn't know of such tags if they're not well versed in the games or media such characters come from or if they just don't watch ANIME
which means those who are tagging CHILD to these short people

Are a bunch of nooooormies

post #3772909

Thanks for reporting yourself for tagging vandalism, I guess.
Did you deliberately mix those up with valid tag changes to make it harder to revert? That's clever of you.

yeah i'm gonna have to side with the powers that be on this one

idk what even a lalafell even was before i read this, and while i can see the ones with bigger busts and wider hips and non-child, shit like this with 0 context on what they are:

post #3702009

yeah, no, i'm sorry (not really); this is just an elf child and i don't see why they should get an exeption from TWYS, i got young blacklisted and i don't want to see shit like this

Loli and shota are a gender/age combo, child is a more specific form of young, so even if you were coincidentally right about every lalafell image portraying a different age range (toddler, teenager, etc.), this would still be the wrong move.
You would have better luck trying to ask people about the changes you want to make, instead of trying to speak authoritatively in a forum thread.

We have adult_(lore) for this situation

bitwolfy said:
Thanks for reporting yourself for tagging vandalism, I guess.
Did you deliberately mix those up with valid tag changes to make it harder to revert? That's clever of you.

I didn't vandalize, and I disagree with the neutral given to me.

Lalafell females are all Loli / young
and
Lalafell males are all shota / young

these would be valid tags I would use if I was the uploader myself.

dripen_arn said:
yeah i'm gonna have to side with the powers that be on this one

idk what even a lalafell even was before i read this, and while i can see the ones with bigger busts and wider hips and non-child, shit like this with 0 context on what they are:

post #3702009

yeah, no, i'm sorry (not really); this is just an elf child and i don't see why they should get an exeption from TWYS, i got young blacklisted and i don't want to see shit like this

this person says they'd tag child / elf which to ME IS vandalism, not because they wanted to vandalize but becaue they didn't know any better.

I'm getting a mark because I know what I'm talking about. And you feel it's neccessary to mark me because you feel like I vandalize when what I really did was fix the tagging.
WHY am I getting punished for that???

like what the hell? There is clearly a misunderstanding AGAIN on your part Bitwolfy.
I'm literally following the rules and being punished for it.

post #1933820

closetpossum said:
I didn't vandalize, and I disagree with the neutral given to me.

Lalafell females are all Loli / young
and
Lalafell males are all shota / young

these would be valid tags I would use if I was the uploader myself.

this person says they'd tag child / elf which to ME IS vandalism, not because they wanted to vandalize but becaue they didn't know any better.

I'm getting a mark because I know what I'm talking about. And you feel it's neccessary to mark me because you feel like I vandalize when what I really did was fix the tagging.
WHY am I getting punished for that???

like what the hell? There is clearly a misunderstanding AGAIN on your part Bitwolfy.
I'm literally following the rules and being punished for it.

post #1933820

If I see an elf tag on a Lalafell while the lalafell tag is there. I would delete the elf tag and leave the lalafell tag accordingly
while also if Child is presented on a lalafell it's obviously not a child

hencforth a loli or shota tag is added while deleting child/cub but keeping the young tag active

cloudpie said:
We have adult_(lore) for this situation

but yes this tag should be added too

BUT I'M BEING PUNISHED FOR FIXING???? THEN WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT!?

HOLY SHIT you just cannot win when trying to help here....

I saw a prblem, I fixed it, I get in fookin trouble. GG

bitwolfy said:
Thanks for reporting yourself for tagging vandalism, I guess.
Did you deliberately mix those up with valid tag changes to make it harder to revert? That's clever of you.

And then you make it seem like I'm trying to be sly or something
My intentions are pure. To fix a freaking tag and you punish me for it!
You don't even know what you're doing damnit!

fukin hell...
all I get in return is a middle finger, fuk me.

post #1186035

TWYS

dubsthefox said:
TWYS

I tagged what I saw!!!
this is so vague!!!

I TAGGED WHAT I SAW??!!?

I tagged what I saw and KNEW the tags to tag
what the hell am I doing wrong!?

closetpossum said:
If I see an elf tag on a Lalafell while the lalafell tag is there. I would delete the elf tag and leave the lalafell tag accordingly
while also if Child is presented on a lalafell it's obviously not a child

i'm not saying that any given lalafell should be tagged as elf, i'm suprised you latched onto that and not the fact that i said that i have young in my blacklist. which via what you propose lalafell should and should not be tagged with; i wouldn't be affected at all, and yet i implied that i am (which i just want to clarify; i brought that up for people who just had child in their blacklist, not me specifically and i should've wrote it better)

but i just wanted to come back here to quote the final fantasy XIV wiki (which cites the Encyclopaedia Eorzea that i am not going to drop $25 USD on just to cross-reference for an online forum agrument so imma trust them that they got it right):

They maintain a youthful, childlike appearance, even in old age, making their true age difficult for other races to ascertain.

literally the race's whole gimmick is to be childlike in appearances, if anything i think that makes tagging them with child indiscriminately the more lore friendly thing to do here
but that's just a hyperbole, i don't actually think art like post #33838475 or post #3405977 should even qualify as young or loli, so i ain't going to go on a tagging-spree before consulting anyone as to weather that's a good idea in the first place

(altho i will say that the neutral is a bit harsh, but i get the no-exceptions rules this site goes for)

I'm even looking at my own post changes.
I'm not seeing the problem here....
look at my post changes for yourself! Look at the posts...

where is the problem I committed, where is the vandalism...??

dubsthefox said:
TWYS

If you're gonna show ME TWYS then this clearly falls under THE PROBLEMS
My mark is unjust or at the very least misunderstood.

I only editted Lalafells!

closetpossum said:
what the hell am I doing wrong!?

arguing with absolutists

legit i thing to do right now is to just take a step back from this forum topic, the forums, the site, hell probably the computer itself; and take a breather, and maybe distract yourself with something dumb on your social media platform of choice to direct your frustrations at, idk actually, no, that's bullshit: just take a day or two away from this topic and don't come back until your calmer and more collected, i can tell your real stressed right now and panic only makes things worse

idk if this works but i do hope that my plot here helps you chill out a bit

dripen_arn said:
i'm not saying that any given lalafell should be tagged as elf, i'm suprised you latched onto that and not the fact that i said that i have young in my blacklist. which via what you propose lalafell should and should not be tagged with; i wouldn't be affected at all, and yet i implied that i am (which i just want to clarify; i brought that up for people who just had child in their blacklist, not me specifically and i should've wrote it better)

but i just wanted to come back here to quote the final fantasy XIV wiki (which cites the Encyclopaedia Eorzea that i am not going to drop $25 USD on just to cross-reference for an online forum agrument so imma trust them that they got it right): literally the race's whole gimmick is to be childlike in appearances, if anything i think that makes tagging them with child indiscriminately the more lore friendly thing to do here
but that's just a hyperbole, i don't actually think art like post #33838475 or post #3405977 should even qualify as young or loli, so i ain't going to go on a tagging-spree before consulting anyone as to weather that's a good idea in the first place

(altho i will say that the neutral is a bit harsh, but i get the no-exceptions rules this site goes for)

(plus you already have 8 neutrals and 2 warnings, counting 10 fucking marks within just the last 2 years of your 7 years on this site! you must either be a master at score decay or simply the most diverse in your divisiveness!

(plus you already have 8 neutrals and 2 warnings, counting 10 fucking marks within just the last 2 years of your 7 years on this site! you must either be a master at score decay or simply the most diverse in your divisiveness

That feels like a compliment and an insult. The Neutral IS a harsh punishment when I still do not see what I did wrong, I do not believe I did anything wrong

post #3405977
this is a loli. THIS is an oppai_loli

If I'm being punished for TAGGING WHAT I SEE there is something wrong with the TWYS rules. The MODS know this, the janators know this. I know this, everyone who complains knowss this.
It's not some hidden rule or anything.

The TWYS rule is soooo very vague cause ANYBODY can see ANYTHING. And those who KNOW more than what others DON'T KNOW then there are likely those who know tags OTHER PEOPLE DON'T KNOW..........I know tags people never heard of.

Am I to be punished just because I know a few vocabularic words others do not that best suit a post more than another person??????

AM I to be punished for replacing toeless_socks with stirrup_stockings because another user never heard of stirrups before?

This is ludicrous!

post #330159

dripen_arn said:
arguing with absolutists

legit i thing to do right now is to just take a step back from this forum topic, the forums, the site, hell probably the computer itself; and take a breather, and maybe distract yourself with something dumb on your social media platform of choice to direct your frustrations at, idk

idk if this works but i do hope that my plot here helps you chill out a bit

YOU may be right
but I feel like for MY efforts I have been WRONGED!

The fact that you know Lalafell adults look like that means you are not applying TWYS, and that you're suggesting replacing child with loli and shota betrays a misunderstanding of how e621 uses those tags. It is genuinely that simple.
Lalafell are treated as children because, to everybody but FFXIV players, they look like children. FFXIV profiles on F-List and Twitter know the difference and still treat Lalafell like children, too.

lafcadio said:
The fact that you know Lalafell adults look like that means you are not applying TWYS, and that you're suggesting replacing child with loli and shota betrays a misunderstanding of how e621 uses those tags. It is genuinely that simple.

It's not that simple
Just because I know they're Lalafells, it doesn't mean I'm tagging what I know
You're twisting my words, what are you talking about?

I'm adding to a post that fits
while taking out tags that don't fit the post

I'm tagging what I see.
I'm following the rules....

This thread brings up an interesting question for me, should short female characters which lack breasts also be tagged young? Such as kobolds, since they share many traits with young lizardmen or other scalies?

deadoon said:
This thread brings up an interesting question for me, should short female characters which lack breasts also be tagged young? Such as kobolds, since they share many traits with young lizardmen or other scalies?

plus what about dwarfism? i didn't even know this tag existed up until i seached for it after reading your thought, but now i hella think there should be stronger guidelines on how to use the tag and tag art which depicts shorter characters

deadoon said:
This thread brings up an interesting question for me, should short female characters which lack breasts also be tagged young? Such as kobolds, since they share many traits with young lizardmen or other scalies?

this has been discussed before, the consensus AFAIR is that smol characters with no or little breasts, normally get tagged adult if they have adult body proportions. young beings follow young body proportions, things like shorter limbs to torso ratio, larger head in comparison to torso/shoulders, and et cetera. although there are certainly species that don't follow this, that's either disregarded due to e6 only following real life dimorphism, or is just a general overview for your average anthro, feral or human(oid).

otherwise, i can't say much on the topic at hand. however, loli and shota are not age group tags, they don't get used in lieu of child and etc. but do get used when a young character is either female or male, respectively, and are participating in a sexual or similar situation.

lafcadio said:
The fact that you know Lalafell adults look like that means you are not applying TWYS, and that you're suggesting replacing child with loli and shota betrays a misunderstanding of how e621 uses those tags. It is genuinely that simple.
Lalafell are treated as children because, to everybody but FFXIV players, they look like children. FFXIV profiles on F-List and Twitter know the difference and still treat Lalafell like children, too.

You know what, fuck it.
Dripen Arn is right
I'm wasting my time arguing with Absolutists.

You already made up your minds so I'm just talking to a brick wall.
Not only is my case going over deft ears but I've been wrongly marked for trying to help
where it's not appreciated nor welcomed.

But if I start uploading Lalafells. I'm going to tag what I see. What I have BEEN seeing.
If y'all want to add CHILD to what is clearly a loli, oppai loli, shota, and/or young. Feel free to.

Have a good day.
Absolutely amazing.
man, was just trying to clean the lala tags, sheesh

post #3410859

Brb gonna go mass remove loli tag from Kanna Kamui posts because she's a 300 year old dragon.

siral_exan said:
otherwise, i can't say much on the topic at hand.

Yeah, absolute mess and having an admin just go straight to a warning with such strong terms as vandalism, when it could be considered tag what you see from certain perspective really seems to be an easy way to just trigger a negative response.

The way I see it is lalafell are to elves, as kobolds are to lizardmen of sorts. A diminutive form, which can be perceived by some as childlike. Interpretations and such vary, which leads to wide variations, especially when artstyle is taken into account.

kemonophonic said:
Brb gonna go mass remove loli tag from Kanna Kamui posts because she's a 300 year old dragon.

A disingenuous argument like this however does nobody any favors. Talking a species demonstrating it's defined traits.

dang, can't believe i helped jokerify someone on a furry art archive

post #2618434

deadoon said:
Yeah, absolute mess and having an admin just go straight to a warning with such strong terms as vandalism, when it could be considered tag what you see from certain perspective really seems to be an easy way to just trigger a negative response.

The way I see it is lalafell are to elves, as kobolds are to lizardmen of sorts. A diminutive form, which can be perceived by some as childlike. Interpretations and such vary, which leads to wide variations, especially when artstyle is taken into account.

A warning seems like a perfectly valid response to destructive tag changes that are implemented without greater discussion. What would you have bitWolfy do? Revert the changes without mentioning anything?

lafcadio said:
A warning seems like a perfectly valid response to destructive tag changes that are implemented without greater discussion. What would you have bitWolfy do? Revert the changes without mentioning anything?

Or inform them in such a way that isn't an administrative warning, as they do sometimes apparently? I've reported someone for destroying an entire tag with no discussion and they never even got a warning for it, so I see it as a serious case of a double standards.

deadoon said:
Yeah, absolute mess and having an admin just go straight to a warning with such strong terms as vandalism, when it could be considered tag what you see from certain perspective really seems to be an easy way to just trigger a negative response.

You know what, you are absolutely correct.
I have been a little hasty with the warning.
... I usually try not to be like that. Sorry.

The general sentiment in this thread is correct, though.
Like it or not, this looks like a child. It does not matter what the lore says.
Here is a handy guide on body proportions.

Removing that from a post where it belongs is against the rules. Deliberately or repeatedly failing to add that tag to a post is also against the rules.
Many people use that tag in their blacklist, some because they don't know about the young tag, and some on purpose.

It's the same thing as with that roleplaying, ClosetPossum.
I would be a lot more lenient if you were capable of admitting your mistakes.
But no, you are utterly convinced that you are right, and literally everyone else is wrong.

Don't know what to tell you. Not sure if there's even a point in removing that record, since I'll probably have to add it right back soon enough.

bitwolfy said:
You know what, you are absolutely correct.
I have been a little hasty with the warning.
... I usually try not to be like that. Sorry.

The general sentiment in this thread is correct, though.
Like it or not, this looks like a child. It does not matter what the lore says.
Here is a handy guide on body proportions.

Removing that from a post where it belongs is against the rules. Deliberately or repeatedly failing to add that tag to a post is also against the rules.
Many people use that tag in their blacklist, some because they don't know about the young tag, and some on purpose.

It's the same thing as with that roleplaying, ClosetPossum.
I would be a lot more lenient if you were capable of admitting your mistakes.
But no, you are utterly convinced that you are right, and literally everyone else is wrong.

Don't know what to tell you. Not sure if there's even a point in removing that record, since I'll probably have to add it right back soon enough.

Dude, you don't even tell me what I'm doing wrong until AFTER THE FACT with your infamous jaded one-liners in one of my forum posts. Like you did in the beginning and the previous post I commented on.
And then you straight up GHOST ME. You don't return until shit calms down and THEN console me.....you could do that in the messages I send you.

I KNOW you're busy and I KNOW your work is hard.
But how am I supposed to feel when I get a mark, try to justify myself, and not hear back?

And then you say crap that makes it seem like my intentions are ill when I'm just trying to do what I think is right
Then I get punished and I don't know why I'm being punished!

There needs to be an etablished communication which is sorely lacking.

Worst part of it all is these people come in here with their opinions and totally bulldoze and strongarm my own, then it seems like the collective majority agrees that I'm just an idiot and wrong.
Would it have been the same if I just kept the CHILD tag and ADDED the loli and SHOTA tag?

Sweet cheese and crackers
I can't even get in contact with you or any MODS
You even said yourself that I'm not worth the time and that my messages are just babbles

why am I the villain here?

I'm constantly asking what did I DO WRONG!
Do I get an answer? No...all I get are opinions and TWYS...then I say.... "I tagged what I saw"
then everyone goes "no you're wrong"

HOW AM I WRONG!? paint me a picture of how a TWYS can be WRONG!?

CONFUSION: MAX-LEVEL
post #1186035

I tag lolis to pics that look like loli "you're wrong, ClosetPossum" HUH!?

I comment on a post of a character talking to disembodied person. I make a comment
not intended to be RP, just a normal comment... "you're RPing, ClosetPossum" HUH!?!

closetpossum said:
I can't even get in contact with you or any MODS

That's because you send unhinged messages that have like twenty separate questions in them.
I am not going to go through all of them point by point, because you will also try to pedantically refute them point by point, and it will all reduce to insufferable walls of text.
And I would rather stick rusted tin can lids between my teeth than do that.

One thing does need to be addressed here, though.
You are wrong here because you seem to be tagging posts based on what you know (the character is actually an adult), not on what you see (the character looks like a child).
You were wrong with the roleplaying bit because you were talking directly to the character in the image, which is considered roleplaying.
I hope that helps.

bitwolfy said:
That's because you send unhinged messages that have like twenty separate questions in them.
I am not going to go through all of them point by point, because you will also try to pedantically refute them point by point, and it will all reduce to insufferable walls of text.
And I would rather stick rusted tin can lids between my teeth than do that.

One thing does need to be addressed here, though.
You are wrong here because you seem to be tagging posts based on what you know (the character is actually an adult), not on what you see (the character looks like a child).
You were wrong with the roleplaying bit because you were talking directly to the character in the image, which is considered roleplaying.
I hope that helps.

...............ah.....I see

post #2635407

closetpossum said:
I'm constantly asking what did I DO WRONG!

CONFUSION: MAX-LEVEL
post #1186035

I tag lolis to pics that look like loli "you're wrong, ClosetPossum" HUH!?

YOU WANNA KNOW WHY YOU'RE FUCKING WRONG? ALRIGHT! I'LL TELL YOU WHY YOU'RE FUCKING WRONG IN AS BEST OF PLAIN-ENGLISH AS I CAN MUSTER!!!

Tag What You See (aka TWYS) means that you tag an image/video (with the exception of artist, character, and lore tags) based solely on the information that you can gather from that image/video in isolation.

in this case: the lolis that you removed the child tag do indeed qualify as loli, but they also have the appearance of children and so long as they look like children, that's all that matters in this website.

weather or not the character's real age is 10 or 34 is of no relevance here, and if you want to tag on this site without getting yelled at; you have to disregard any external information (such as weather or not the fantasy race just look like childeren even onto adulthood) or subjective interpretation and just Tag What You Can Plainly See and None Else.

The Pipe is a Pipe.

dripen_arn said:
YOU WANNA KNOW WHY YOU'RE FUCKING WRONG? ALRIGHT! I'LL TELL YOU WHY YOU'RE FUCKING WRONG IN AS BEST OF PLAIN-ENGLISH AS I CAN MUSTER!!!

post #2663811

Let's settle down here.

You are not wrong.
But there's no need to shout.

bitwolfy said:
post #2663811

Let's settle down here.

sorry, i guess i need time away from this topic as much as this guy does

closetpossum said:
Just because I know they're Lalafells, it doesn't mean I'm tagging what I know

The thing is you are tagging what others don't know/can't tell when looking at the image, this is the opposite of TWYS.

Well then........I'll be on my way now....
I'm not a bad user!
My intentions are good!

I'm just directionally challenged and what I deem is good somehow is bad, and I don't get it.
I begrudgingly accept the marks given.

In a couple days my profile will be cleansed anyways................okay, I go now.
MY MARKS DO NOT MEAN I AM EVIL

post #2776889

closetpossum said:
Well then........I'll be on my way now....
I'm not a bad user!
My intentions are good!

I'm just directionally challenged and what I deem is good somehow is bad, and I don't get it.
I begrudgingly accept the marks given.

In a couple days my profile will be cleansed anyways................okay, I go now.
MY MARKS DO NOT MEAN I AM EVIL

post #2776889

if you didn't know, records can decay 6 months after they were given, so long as you don't break the rule again. neutral records get removed after 6 months, warnings after 12, decaying into a neutral then being removed, and temp. bans after 18 (down to warning, then neutral, then removed).

you'd have to contact an admin to ask for them to be removed, though, since this process is not automatic.

siral_exan said:
if you didn't know, records can decay 6 months after they were given, so long as you don't break the rule again. neutral records get removed after 6 months, warnings after 12, decaying into a neutral then being removed, and temp. bans after 18 (down to warning, then neutral, then removed).

you'd have to contact an admin to ask for them to be removed, though, since this process is not automatic.

SOME OF THEM SHOULD BE GONE ALREADY TBH, BUT ON THE 13TH ....caps lock* I should have a clean slate except the 2 neutrals I got...

closetpossum said:
SOME OF THEM SHOULD BE GONE ALREADY TBH, BUT ON THE 13TH ....caps lock* I should have a clean slate except the 2 neutrals I got...

yeah you gotta manually ask for a decay every time you want a decay

dripen_arn said:
yeah you gotta manually ask for a decay every time you want a decay

They know.

closetpossum said:
I should have a clean slate except the 2 neutrals I got...

The trolling charge from June decayed to neutral.
So it's 3 neutrals.

dripen_arn said:
yeah you gotta manually ask for a decay every time you want a decay

Can I ask for my positive record to decay to a neutral? 🤔

dripen_arn said:
yeah you gotta manually ask for a decay every time you want a decay

Which is odd because reds decay, so you think greys would, especially since where to ask in not immediately obvious lol

dripen_arn said:
The Pipe is a Pipe.

My dude bringing up post modernism philosophy into this discussion. You really did went off.

This reminds me of someone getting upset because their SD/Chibi art was getting tagged with the young group of tags (young, child, loli/shota, etc.), and people were not wanting to touch a reversion with a 10-foot tungsten pole. Of course that was because of harassment by a third party, but said third party didn't care about tags, anyways, but appearances.

Then this happens in the thread('cleansing'): https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/%22Screw_you_guys,_I%27m_going_home!%22

I probably should not post this reply but I did it, anyways. :/ It just struck me as so childish.

alphamule said:
This reminds me of someone getting upset because their SD/Chibi art was getting tagged with the young group of tags (young, child, loli/shota, etc.), and people were not wanting to touch a reversion with a 10-foot tungsten pole. Of course that was because of harassment by a third party, but said third party didn't care about tags, anyways, but appearances.

You'll have to clarify because that's happened at least twice that I know of personally.

wat8548 said:
You'll have to clarify because that's happened at least twice that I know of personally.

I remember it being "at least" twice, but I think it was more. I DON'T think it was this character's owner, oddly enough (from description). Yeah, at least one was Pokemon-related (saw it in AGNPH IRC channel). Note that most of that character's posts did not qualify for said tags, anyways. Variations in art style and so on.

wat8548 said:
You'll have to clarify because that's happened at least twice that I know of personally.

I think that might have been millchu (probs spelled that wrong) who they are thinking of

closetpossum said:
Well then........I'll be on my way now....
I'm not a bad user!
My intentions are good!

I'm just directionally challenged and what I deem is good somehow is bad, and I don't get it.
I begrudgingly accept the marks given.

In a couple days my profile will be cleansed anyways................okay, I go now.
MY MARKS DO NOT MEAN I AM EVIL

post #2776889

Bro just admit you did wrong, don't do it again and move on. This thread is a disaster caused by yourself.

purelyforablacklist said:
Bro just admit you did wrong, don't do it again and move on. This thread is a disaster caused by yourself.

They did move on.
You are the one coming into this thread more than a week after it's been concluded and trying to restart the drama.

We are done here.