Topic: Would Using Archived URL Of Dead Site Be Fine For The Source?

Posted under Tag/Wiki Projects and Questions

I would like to post two images of official illustrations made for the German game Sven Bømwøllen, and noticed that none of the existing images under the sven_bømwøllen_(series) tag goes to the original site source which is the official site for the game franchise. The problem is that the source site is no longer available, but got images from an archive on the Wayback Machine site. Would it be ok to use that site archive as the source due to the official site being gone?

First image via Wayback Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20071013104034/http://www.sven-kommt.de/_sub_sven2/downloads/desktops/img02.jpg
Second image also from the Wayback Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20070129053631if_/http://sven.bild.de:80/_sub_sven3/downloads/desktops/img05.jpg
Example of one of the Sven images already here: https://e621.net/posts/52504

You're fine. Archived pages on the Wayback Machine are valid sources, as long as the original pages it archived were themselves valid. (Ie. A Waybacked archive of a now deleted FA gallery is acceptable, but not a Waybacked image of Kemono.party.) I've uploaded images here where the only available source now is the Wayback Machine, and they have all been accepted. As the internet ages and evolves, archival sites like the Wayback Machine's will end up being the only valid sources for a lot of material.

I wonder if one day, we'll be wishing that more sites provided the MD5... Come to think of it, are the JSON archived on here using archive.org?

clawstripe said:
You're fine. Archived pages on the Wayback Machine are valid sources, as long as the original pages it archived were themselves valid. (Ie. A Waybacked archive of a now deleted FA gallery is acceptable, but not a Waybacked image of Kemono.party.) I've uploaded images here where the only available source now is the Wayback Machine, and they have all been accepted. As the internet ages and evolves, archival sites like the Wayback Machine's will end up being the only valid sources for a lot of material.

Why isn't kemono.party allowed?

pcaelifera said:
Why isn't kemono.party allowed?

Because it's a piracy site. E621 doesn't want to support piracy. Artists are important to e621, so any site that bypasses an artist's ability to create more content, ie. deprive the artist of income to put food on the table and keep a roof over their head, is situs non grata.

I'm surprised you'd even mention it by name; I've definitely seen people get their posts removed for mentioning it.

errorist said:
I'm surprised you'd even mention it by name; I've definitely seen people get their posts removed for mentioning it.

I was not aware that it is a piracy site. ( There's not a lot of info on it here (e621).) Aren't those illegal, and therefore usually taken down? Websites that are not part of the dark web are traceable, right?

pcaelifera said:
I was not aware that it is a piracy site. ( There's not a lot of info on it here (e621).) Aren't those illegal, and therefore usually taken down? Websites that are not part of the dark web are traceable, right?

Someone has to care enough to do something about them before any action can hope to get started, and not just one someone but several, enough to get the host to care enough to comply. It's not like Napster (I think) in which companies with deep pockets and the ability to hire firms of lawyers became involved to force the site to sit up and notice.

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