Topic: New Code of Conduct update discussion (2023-03-17)

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Problem this is always going to have is that certain things are just too exhausting to list in their entirety. Say a rule against making people uncomfortable in the comments depends heavily on the individual, whether it be a user reading it or a moderator acting on a report. Unless such things are overly coerce and contain pretty specifically defined wording that only has one meaning you have the problem of justifying an action taken on behalf of such a rule.

A comment that strays too much into roleplay depends on the definition of "too much" or what one considers "light". Similarly jokes in bad taste are matters some comedians build their entire career on. In regards to comments, don't we already have a very clear indicator of the consensus of what's okay and what isn't in the form of the voting system? Or at a stretch if you receive 20 reports for the same comment?

I get the intention of most of these rules, though some may not. I think it might be helpful to clarify with either some examples of what to avoid or adding information about what the intent of a rule is and what it isn't suppose to make us not do. While that ends up being a rabbit-hole in itself, so does the current vagueness. I would argue it is better to have poor examples or complicated wording rather than a vague rule that could be laid out one too many ways. Nice short rules are easy to read and remember, but some people might struggle to grasp them.

nikblack said:
It is also quite funny - and sad at the same time

I know just how you feel.

covid denialism

Believe me, I know. So, has anyone here applied for their Covid amnesty yet?

bitwolfy said:
Here's a quick summary of the changes.

  • Explicitly forbade mass-downvoting.

Sooo...If folks just generally do not care for a piece and all continue to downvote something are we just gonna see a mass of bans? These rules are just alot vague here. Nevermind the Defamatory or false information. Are they gonna start running Truth telling now as a tag too? Again. Too Vague and subject to abuse across the board.

blindriver said:
Sooo...If folks just generally do not care for a piece and all continue to downvote something are we just gonna see a mass of bans? These rules are just alot vague here. Nevermind the Defamatory or false information. Are they gonna start running Truth telling now as a tag too? Again. Too Vague and subject to abuse across the board.

yeah, that's why that post said it was a "quick summary" if you read it you'd find that

section 3.1 of the Code of Conduct said:
Do not indiscriminately downvote posts based on their content. You should blacklist the offending subject matter instead.

mass downvoting is not when multiple users downvote the same comment or post, it's when a single user downvotes a bunch of comments or posts.

nikblack said:
I am glad to see the Code of Conduct changes. It is also quite funny - and sad at the same time - to see certain people crawl out into the light to complain about the "Do not promote ideologies harmful to public safety" rule as if it's somehow vague. Fascism, covid denialism, general bigotry, none of that shit belongs anywhere, and I am glad e621 takes a stance against it. It is also not surprising that people who are against that rule turn out to be generally bigoted or insane like pawlaczyna who deliberately misrepresent the situation in order to paint themselves as the righteous.

Agreed. I've left other sites because they decided to take the centrist, "we won't moderate anything short of explicitly calling for genocide no matter how obvious" approach. Glad that shit doesn't fly here.

...you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These [nazis] come in and it's always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don't want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.

And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it's too late because they're entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.

Edit: I made a mistake.

Did not the administrators say they don't take action against comments over a month old as long as the user does not admit to doing something illegal?

Another edit: I want to explain what i meant by me making a mistake: I thought a user was banned for a comment made months ago, before the rule changes. I could not read the message, its content was replaced for three dots, but i assumed if the user said they did something illegal back then, they would have been banned long ago. I realized the user was not banned for making that comment, but a recent one, after the rule changes. I had links to the post with the comment and the banned user's page, but then i removed all of that because i realized i made a mistake.

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electricitywolf said:
Edit: I made a mistake.

Did not the administrators say they don't take action against comments over a month old as long as the user does not admit to doing something illegal?

insta-bannable offenses generally don't have a statute of limitations, I think the one month limit is for stuff like creepy comments.

darryus said:
insta-bannable offenses generally don't have a statute of limitations, I think the one month limit is for stuff like creepy comments.

There has been a bit of misunderstanding regarding the cutoff point after which infractions are no longer actionable.
The old rules were a little inconsistent and vague; the new rules set it firmly at 6 months. Illegal activities or content are not subject to that limit.

The "one month" cutoff point was a result of a misunderstanding. I believe it was mentioned in ticket responses a few times.
There is an internal staff policy that gives us a bit more leeway on how we deal with stuff like older content, first offenses, that sort of thing.
But it's not a part of the official code of conduct, and not something users need to worry about.

cinder said:
There has been a bit of misunderstanding regarding the cutoff point after which infractions are no longer actionable.
The old rules were a little inconsistent and vague; the new rules set it firmly at 6 months. Illegal activities or content are not subject to that limit.

The "one month" cutoff point was a result of a misunderstanding. I believe it was mentioned in ticket responses a few times.
There is an internal staff policy that gives us a bit more leeway on how we deal with stuff like older content, first offenses, that sort of thing.
But it's not a part of the official code of conduct, and not something users need to worry about.

yeah, I always thought tickets that got response were more of a "please don't report minor stuff that's several months old, it probably got reported already, and if it didn't it probably wasn't that bad; the ticket queue is long enough as it is" rather than "people can get off scot-free if their offense goes unnoticed for 30 or more days".

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I don't know where to put this, so I'm just going to bring it up here. Can someone please explain to me what happened on post #2582000 ?

I find it heavily ironic that several people were given warnings for responding to what was in the description. The rule change from creepy to inappropriate comments is a step in the right direction, but given the overall context of the post in question, shouldn't there be some leeway if they were essentially encouraged to respond in such a manner? At the very least, if that behavior isn't encouraged here regardless, nothing was done to prevent it from still happening.

I sincerely do not believe whoever uploaded the image intended for users to get in trouble, but punishing users for responding in a way that was more-or-less invited by the post had is akin to arresting someone at a bar for public intoxication because they simply got drunk.

Edit: My thoughts only have the community's best interest at heart. I don't want to accuse anyone of corruption, but I could go on and on and on about how I've observed these rules being overenforced. Without due diligence, it looks like power trips as records get handed out like candy, especially when people get reported out of spite or pettiness. No site is perfect, but I really hate how one-sided it seems here. It's the opposite of how a community should be fostered.

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beat120 said:
I don't know where to put this, so I'm just going to bring it up here. Can someone please explain to me what happened on post #2582000 ?

I find it heavily ironic that several people were given warnings for responding to what was in the description. The rule change from creepy to inappropriate comments is a step in the right direction, but given the overall context of the post in question, shouldn't there be some leeway if they were essentially encouraged to respond in such a manner? At the very least, if that behavior isn't encouraged here regardless, nothing was done to prevent it from still happening.

I sincerely do not believe whoever uploaded the image intended for users to get in trouble, but punishing users for responding in a way that was more-or-less invited by the post had is akin to arresting someone at a bar for public intoxication because they simply got drunk.

the rules are enforced on all posts equally we don't need to know how far down your throat you can take a dick, it doesn't matter what a post description says.

darryus said:
the rules are enforced on all posts equally we don't need to know how far down your throat you can take a dick, it doesn't matter what a post description says.

One simple clause on the "Inappropriate comments" section refutes your entire argument: Comments that exceed the rating on the picture
Even then, it explicitly says "Context is going to matter".

I really don't like the idea that it's somehow okay for moderators to ignore any exceptions laid out in their own rules, especially if they seem fair.

Edit: I realize there are flaws in my argument, but frankly, situations like this are ridiculous. Images like that might as well not be on the site if their intent is to produce comments against the site's rules.

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beat120 said:
One simple clause on the "Inappropriate comments" section refutes your entire argument: Comments that exceed the rating on the picture
Even then, it explicitly says "Context is going to matter".

I really don't like the idea that it's somehow okay for moderators to ignore any exceptions laid out in their own rules, especially if they seem fair.

Edit: I realize there are flaws in my argument, but frankly, situations like this are ridiculous. Images like that might as well not be on the site if their intent is to produce comments against the site's rules.

Three people got records for their comment under that post.
Two are repeat offenders, and are likely gonna get banned at some point.
The other one isn't, and thus had their record decayed since then.

This is pretty much a non-issue.

Isn't it disruptive to have one user just outright summon the horseshoe theory out of thin air in a sassy manner over a disagreement? https://e621.net/comments/7440295

Nobody under this post was talking about the horseshoe theory, which has real applicable uses. Even the person they replied to didn't mention the horseshoe theory. They said something that person disagrees with, that's all that happened.

wolfmanfur said:
Isn't it disruptive to have one user just outright summon the horseshoe theory out of thin air in a sassy manner over a disagreement? https://e621.net/comments/7440295

Nobody under this post was talking about the horseshoe theory, which has real applicable uses. Even the person they replied to didn't mention the horseshoe theory. They said something that person disagrees with, that's all that happened.

They are responding to a very obvious troll.
"People who hate fascists are the real fascists" isn't just something that person disagrees with, it's nonsense.

wolfmanfur said:
Isn't it disruptive to have one user just outright summon the horseshoe theory out of thin air in a sassy manner over a disagreement? https://e621.net/comments/7440295

Nobody under this post was talking about the horseshoe theory, which has real applicable uses. Even the person they replied to didn't mention the horseshoe theory. They said something that person disagrees with, that's all that happened.

The quoted comment literally brought up a horseshoe theory talking point. I mean, the rest of the comment goes a little bit unreasonably hard, I guess. They definitely didn't bring up horseshoe theory unprompted, though.

I have noticed the part about sexual identity and sexual orientation only forbids insults (and probably slurs), misgendering, and deadnaming. Stating how much one hates a sexual orientation or sexual identity is technically allowed. Is this intentional?

Also, may someone clarify what "Do not indicate personal influence over staff decisions" means?

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I've noticed something a bit concerning. Whenever someone posts a positive comment about an artist..people whom hate said artist have a tendency to mass down vote the comment to the point it becomes hidden.

Take me for example. I posted on a pic about my experience in trying to do lighting effects and praise the artist of the picture for their hard work and practice doing what I failed at..and it's getting down voted.

bladeedge said:
I've noticed something a bit concerning. Whenever someone posts a positive comment about an artist..people whom hate said artist have a tendency to mass down vote the comment to the point it becomes hidden.

Take me for example. I posted on a pic about my experience in trying to do lighting effects and praise the artist of the picture for their hard work and practice doing what I failed at..and it's getting down voted.

You posted on a peacewolf post. Downvotes are par for the course on those.

Since it was recommended I will be posting this here following the conversation in https://e621.net/posts/4147001 surrounding zoophilia and bans

One user got banned for liking the post, another user got banned for asking the artist information, another got banned for stating they have no controll over who you are attracted to, and another user got banned as well, all banned for the same reason, namely zoophile/declaring interest in zoophilia.

This left me confused as the rules nowhere state that you cannot do that. One moderator quoted the part that says no promoting or engaging in illegal activity for why they were banned, however zoophilia is not illegal in the US(only bestiality is)nor anywhere else in the world so it can't be this rule, so what other rule is there that makes it not allowed? The fact someone got banned for saying they like the post makes it sound like the rules are very strict yet I cannot find them anywhere.

They then referred to the rule that says do not discuss the details, morality or attraction of real life sex acts with animals, which does not apply to drawn images, nor to someone liking the post or asking for the artist's information. The commenters were debating zoophilia. Not bestiality.

So far i have still not been shown the rule that disallows zoophilia, which is concerning because a lot of people have been getting banned over it, and if even just saying you like a picture gets you banned then that's an easy way to get banned without knowing about it because the rules do not state that anywhere.

There's also the matter of deciding what zoophilia is acceptable, one user got banned for attempting to gain access to zoophilic content, and well I don't mean to be rude but have you looked around? This entire website is filled with zoophilic content, if i look for the feral tag there's 750 pages, that's a lot of zoophilic content. Unless of course they were referring to real life content but that would be called bestiality so that can't be it.

So what actually are the rules? And why aren't they made clear? Because it seems to me like 4 users have been banned for breaking a rule that does not exist.

My argument isn't necessarily pro zoophilia, it's pro clarity, after all how are people supposed to know not to do something if it isn't part of the rules?

bitWolfy

Former Staff

mathewbarn said: ...

"ItS ZoOpHiLiA NoT BeStIaLiTy"
Okay buddy. That's all you needed to say to show where you stand in this discussion lmao

There isn't "acceptable zoophilia" – if you are attracted to real-life animals, you are not welcome here.
I added the statement about discussing it to the "Extreme and Illegal Content" rule because it already dealt with similar topics, and I didn't want to make it a separate rule.

That's a fine shitshow you managed to stir up in that comment section, by the way. I can appreciate some quality trolling.
I would have banned you by now, though.

bitwolfy said:
"ItS ZoOpHiLiA NoT BeStIaLiTy"
Okay buddy. That's all you needed to say to show where you stand in this discussion lmao

There isn't "acceptable zoophilia" – if you are attracted to real-life animals, you are not welcome here.
I added the statement about discussing it to the "Extreme and Illegal Content" rule because it already dealt with similar topics, and I didn't want to make it a separate rule.

That's a fine shitshow you managed to stir up in that comment section, by the way. I can appreciate some quality trolling.
I would have banned you by now, though.

And yet it's true, they are 2 seperate words for a reason, zoophilia is the attraction, bestiality is acting on the attraction. That is also why zoophilia isnt illegal anywhere in the world but bestiality is because you cannot outlaw attractions and thoughts.

If it specifically refers to attraction to real animals then why were those 4 people banned? They never said they were attracted to real life animals so again, rules aren't clear and I still haven't been shown the rule that got them banned.

Except zoophilia is not illegal and extreme obviously doesn't cover it because if torture, rape, gore and death aren't too extreme then how is anyone supposed to know what is?

Ah yes trolling, any topic we don't like we just call trolling, sure is convenient to just hand wave away topics like that.

Good thing you're former staff then because banning someone when they ask to be shown the rules would be bad modding.

It should be a seperate rule because it doesn't fall under either illegal or extreme when compared to all the content on this website.

mathewbarn said:
And yet it's true, they are 2 seperate words for a reason, zoophilia is the attraction, bestiality is acting on the attraction. That is also why zoophilia isnt illegal anywhere in the world but bestiality is because you cannot outlaw attractions and thoughts.

This has already been underlined for you, so I’m already sure you’re just going to ignore it again, but here is the rule:
“Do not post images or videos depicting real-life children or animals in sexual situations or acts. Do not discuss the details, morality, or attraction to such acts.

So yes, claiming to be a zoophile or supporting zoophilia is against the rules, because you are discussing the attraction to bestiality.

So as talking about things that are illegal in real life is not allowed I would like to ask; where does the staff stand on posts promoting that marijuana should be legalized?

scaliespe said:
This has already been underlined for you, so I’m already sure you’re just going to ignore it again, but here is the rule:
“Do not post images or videos depicting real-life children or animals in sexual situations or acts. Do not discuss the details, morality, or attraction to such acts.

So yes, claiming to be a zoophile or supporting zoophilia is against the rules, because you are discussing the attraction to bestiality.

I haven't ignored anything but feel free to point out where I did.

The rule specifically states not to discuss the details, morality or attraction of real-life children or animals in sexual situation or acts e.g. bestiality and child molestation. Saying you're a zoophile isn't saying you're attracted to the act of bestiality, bestiality is the act of having sex with an animal, to discuss the attraction to that someone would have to say they are fine with having sex with an animal, which these people did not, they may be zoophiles, they may not be, either way it is not caught by the rules. Even if they were to say it is fine to be attracted to animals it would not be caught by this rule.

Liking a feral picture, and assuming someone knows what the zoophile flag looks like, is not them discussing the details, morality or attraction of bestiality. Similarly one could say they like a nazi picture or a cub picture without condoning or supporting it.

Asking if someone could get in contact with the artist is also not discussing the details, morality or attraction of bestiality

Stating that people have no control over their attractions is also not discussing the details, morality or attractions of bestiality. Someone said being attracted to animals is gross, and then they said that, a objective statement that, again, does not discuss the attractions of actually having sex with an animal. The rule could be applied to this person depending on how you read it but it is again not made clear.

The 4th person seems to have gotten banned without ever even saying anything which would make it impossible to break the rules.

Make a new rule that outlines zoophilia, because this one doesn't catch all of it nor does it make it clear, after all when rules can be up for interpretation then you know it's a bad rule.

I can say I am attracted to men, this does not discuss the attraction of straight sex, i can also say it is fine to be attracted to men and this too would not discuss the attractions of straight sex, same case here just replace men with animal and straight sex with bestiality.

If you want to keep them banned fine, but at the very least make the rules more clear and actually include what you're banning people for.

mathewbarn said:
and assuming someone knows what the zoophile flag looks like

For what it's worth when I saw that piece of cloth it made me think of the character Sheppermint, not that zoos had made their own flag. No one ever told me before that very post.

And another user banned for talking about it.

Look, I get you don't want zoos here. That part has been made very clear. But can we be told a reason why? Is it because you find it icky? Is it because the site's come under legal threat? Is it because you want to sell the site to someone and need to clear out the undesirables first?

calydor said:
And another user banned for talking about it.

Look, I get you don't want zoos here. That part has been made very clear. But can we be told a reason why? Is it because you find it icky? Is it because the site's come under legal threat? Is it because you want to sell the site to someone and need to clear out the undesirables first?

It's because we find it to be animal abuse and do not want to associate with any of those members, nor do we want them on our site.

rainbow_dash said:
It's because we find it to be animal abuse and do not want to associate with any of those members, nor do we want them on our site.

Then why do you allow the artwork? It makes no sense. If you don't want it here why do you invite it here?

calydor said:
Then why do you allow the artwork? It makes no sense. If you don't want it here why do you invite it here?

The creation of that kind of artwork does not typically require animal abuse.
The fact that you seem to be literally unable to tell fantasy from reality is your personal problem, not a failing of the site.

It's lovely to see how the people in power here talk to the users. Thanks, but I am well aware of the difference between fantasy and reality. If you are unable to tell what it is that's drawing unwanted zoos to your site that's, how did you put it ... your personal problem?

calydor said:
It's lovely to see how the people in power here talk to the users. Thanks, but I am well aware of the difference between fantasy and reality. If you are unable to tell what it is that's drawing unwanted zoos to your site that's, how did you put it ... your personal problem?

Artwork is an expressive medium for thoughts and feelings. It is also rarely grounded in factual events.

Talk of bestiality and zoophilia tends to be the opposite and involves real live people expositing their beliefs and desires. That's where we must draw the line.

I'd like to add that the site hosts a lot of content that would be immoral or outright illegal if performed in real life. There's a difference between fantasy and reality.

bitwolfy said:
There isn't "acceptable zoophilia" – if you are attracted to real-life animals, you are not welcome here.

I mean, if we had magic mind-reading abilities and banned everyone attracted to animals (which is probably roughly the same as saying those who fantasize about it), that's probably... way too many people and would be absurd. But at the same time, you have a point. I'm guessing that virtually anyone who actively associates with the zoophile community (or the label "zoophile") supports bestiality, and supporting bestiality is what violates the rules. The underlined text is perhaps what Mathewbarn disagreed with.

Some of the recent permanent bans (comment #7487151, comment #7505123), seem to be for implicitly associating with the zoophile community. This isn't exactly "discuss[ing] the details, morality, or attraction to such acts.", in the strictest sense. Perhaps consider appending "or otherwise implying support for such acts in a way that clearly goes beyond just fantasy", I guess? I dunno.

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calydor said:
Then why do you allow the artwork? It makes no sense. If you don't want it here why do you invite it here?

in general there's a difference between the content of an artistic piece and the content of a comment.

like, we don't treat Johnny Cash singing "I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die. " as an actual admission of guilt, but if some random person was like "0:40 lmao, me 2!" in the comments it's a bit different.

crocogator said:
I mean, if we had magic mind-reading abilities and banned everyone attracted to animals (which is probably roughly the same as saying those who fantasize about it), that's probably... way too many people and would be absurd. But at the same time, you have a point. I'm guessing that virtually anyone who actively associates with the zoophile community (or the label "zoophile") supports bestiality, and supporting bestiality is what violates the rules. The underlined text is perhaps what Mathewbarn disagreed with.

Some of the recent permanent bans (comment #7487151, comment #7505123), seem to be for implicitly associating with the zoophile community. This isn't exactly "discuss[ing] the details, morality, or attraction to such acts.", in the strictest sense. Perhaps consider appending "or otherwise implying support for such acts in a way that clearly goes beyond just fantasy", I guess? I dunno.

I'll be honest with you, I don't think that the difference between zoophilia and bestiality is terribly important here. The two are inextricably linked to one another.
Allowing unrestrained discussions of attraction to animals makes it seem that this is a community that welcomes people like that. And in turn, that inevitably attracts people who have actually committed bestiality.
Consider this a preventative measure. We similarly ban pedophiles simply based on their stated attraction to children.

The rule could use some work, that is true.
There had been some staff discussion about that, as well as about other suggestions from this thread.

The distinction matters because we're talking about rules, the rules cover bestiality but not zoophilia, that's not rule lawyering, that's simply pointing out what the rules do and do not cover, words have set meanings after all. but it's fine, so many mods, so many admins and they still couldn't show me what rules cover zoophilia so they resort to banning me(mathewbarn), and even in the ban they couldn't show me the zoophilia rule. also lmao at attacking former staff, they had poor conduct, I pointed it out and told them that would be shoddy modding, that's attacking is it? They right out the gate came out and attacked me.

Too bad you can't handle people pointing out flaws in rules but oh well, not going to appeal because I didn't do anything wrong and I can just make another account whenever I want, but I'm going to leave the website anyways, when neither the mods nor admins can engage in a discussion of the lacking rules without banning there isn't much that can be gained from staying on the website, cheers mate :).

zornaren said:
The distinction matters because we're talking about rules, the rules cover bestiality but not zoophilia, that's not rule lawyering, that's simply pointing out what the rules do and do not cover, words have set meanings after all. but it's fine, so many mods, so many admins and they still couldn't show me what rules cover zoophilia so they resort to banning me(mathewbarn), and even in the ban they couldn't show me the zoophilia rule. also lmao at attacking former staff, they had poor conduct, I pointed it out and told them that would be shoddy modding, that's attacking is it? They right out the gate came out and attacked me.

Too bad you can't handle people pointing out flaws in rules but oh well, not going to appeal because I didn't do anything wrong and I can just make another account whenever I want, but I'm going to leave the website anyways, when neither the mods nor admins can engage in a discussion of the lacking rules without banning there isn't much that can be gained from staying on the website, cheers mate :).

I'm sorry reading is so hard for you.

rainbow_dash said:
It's because we find it to be animal abuse and do not want to associate with any of those members, nor do we want them on our site.

fav:Rainbow_Dash bestiality

I'm sure as someone who enjoys realistic renders of women getting fucked by horses, you would not at all get turned on by the thought of women getting fucked by horses. No, far be it to even suggest such a thing. If those animated models were any more realistic, your attraction would instantly hit 0. As long as you keep the big bad Z word out of your mouth and point fingers at others, your attraction to actual horses is totally not zoophilic in any way.

Now if I'm into the same shit but have the handful of braincells to spare for a shred of self-awareness – allowing me to conclude that having animal sex fantasies does in fact make me a zoo – I'm automatically an abuser, which of course requires no actual animals harmed, nor even touched in my life and no evidence, only a ζ-shaped wet spot in some mod panties, a little moral panic, and a large sprinkling of self-denial-fueled bigotry.

Oh but don't worry, we aren't

cinder said:
unable to tell fantasy from reality

here (that's extremely rich for someone who literally can't tell attraction from action, btw xD).
And what's this?

cinder said:
Allowing unrestrained discussions of attraction to animals makes it seem that this is a community that welcomes people like that. And in turn, that inevitably attracts people who have actually committed bestiality.

Ohhh, I see, it's the COMMENTS that bring people to a porn site, not the PORN. Ofc ofc.
Say what you really mean: "Youw making me wook bad in fwont of the nowmies! Waaa, waaa! Cuz of you they fink I'm weiwd for wiking ANIMAL ASS."

fav:Rainbow_Dash bestiality

Yeah, gonna be frank here. This stuff you splooged to? I think that's what the horsefuckers are here for. (Look! They have things in common with the admins :D!)
Or even the literal zoo pride posts (of which no post got taken down, but one uploader got banned without ever commenting, straaange)

Look, this whole thing where you're trying to pretend you make sense isn't working out, so why not enshrine the discrimination you all clearly already enforce in the rules?
"If we in any way find out you're a zoophile, you get banned"

Don't even waste a milisecond trying to tell anyone it's got something to do with existing rules or on-site activity.

https://e621.net/users/1272595
Ban reason: Being zoo entirely fucking elsewhere on the internet.
THE STATED BAN REASON
IS
A TWITTER LINK.

Can't make this shit up. Go ahead and explain to me where the rules cover off-site behavior, I dare you. Would be a pretty interesting to hear that modding the site officially requires cyberstalking.

https://e621.net/users/331599
Ban reason: Using a pfp with the zoo colors, despite that image itself being approved by an admin.

Now, would other mods/admins have acted differently than Donovan_DMC on these users?
Somewhat possible, but the rest are equally feeble closet cases and won't say shit, because they're one "what, you defendin' zoos or somethin'?" away from spontaneously folding in half – right along where the spine would be if they had such a thing.

fav:Rainbow_Dash bestiality

Furries lol.

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This site has banned people for commenting about how they want to rape the characters in the post since time immemorial, but this suddenly comes as a surprise to people who can't stop talking about how they want to rape real animals?

tinydogtreat said:
fav:Rainbow_Dash bestiality

I'm sure as someone who enjoys realistic renders of women getting fucked by horses, you would not at all get turned on by the thought of women getting fucked by horses.

I think this is the first time I've heard someone describe something animopron made as "realistic", lmao.

tinydogtreat said:
fav:Rainbow_Dash bestiality

....

Buddy, there is a enormous difference between fictional content and the real thing. That's like, video games causing violence levels of stupid right there.

Also, if you think those are my sexual habits, you would be sadly disappointed.

The new code of conduct is founded in stupidity. so you can't really blame any of the users on here.
This is a porn site.
With gore and rape.
So people are not allowed there freedom of expression or the rights to call their comments poetry and art in it's self.
I guess perverts think their better then everyone else, and the admins like to enforce their will and whims...
I can get away with pretty much anything I'f I draw it, and post it here. with comments and dialog in it. I just put some of your code of conduct, NULL AND VOID by doing this.

The hypocrisy is outstanding.
It's also an reasonable expectation to: not get offended. or come freely onto a porn site, with many uncomfortable things to not be offended?
It is a reasonable expectation that I be allowed my freedom of expression and label it poetry.
I guess there are people that think they're better then everyone else, and the admins love to tend to them.

The fake wokeism, and attacking my civil rights, and the blatant hypocrisy. Actually make be ill.
So if folks are going to feel uncomfortable on a PORN SITE... with RAPE. and GORE.
Then maybe they need to relook at themselve?

If you want to tend and coddle them, then coddle me. Because I actually feel sick and I threw up about this. It not only makes me feel that way but it manifests physically. What are you going to do about that?
Blacklist program for comments. For the special perverts.
A message to the folks that made the admins change the code of conduct: Go touch grass.

Please try to convince me I'm wrong. Give me a meaningful conversation.

But the fact how there's loopholes and it defeats it's own purpose. You don't really have a great chance to convince me.
If I can say something about any of this "Reasonable expectations to be comfortable" It defeats it's self. Because now I'am. And it needs to be changed again.
I should be allowed to say most things on here. Regarding sex. because hey, this is a porn site. lol.
So if people don't want to come on here for porn, wtf you come here.

It makes me sick that people including myself gets punished for something like this.
Will my needs be tended as well? Most likely not. I guess HATE prevails again.
I guess the admins hate us. The special perverts hate us. or artists hate and think their better then us.

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anthony1991 said:
The new code of conduct is founded in stupidity. so you can't really blame any of the users on here.
This is a porn site.
With gore and rape.
So people are not allowed there freedom of expression or the rights to call their comments poetry and art in it's self.
I guess perverts think they're better then everyone else, and the admins like to enforce their will and whims...
I can get away with pretty much anything I'f I draw it, and post it here. with comments and dialog in it. I just put some of your code of conduct, NULL AND VOID by doing this.

The hypocrisy is outstanding.
It's also an reasonable expectation to: not get offended. or come freely onto a porn site, with many uncomfortable things to not be offended?
It is a reasonable expectation that I be allowed my freedom of expression and label it poetry.
I guess there are people that think they're better then everyone else, and the admins love to tend to them.

The fake wokeism, and attacking my civil rights, and the blatant hypocrisy. Actually make be ill.
So if folks are going to feel uncomfortable on a PORN SITE... with RAPE. and GORE.
Then maybe they need to relook at themselve?

If you want to tend and coddle them, then coddle me. Because I actually feel sick and I threw up about this. It not only makes me feel that way but it manifests physically. What are you going to do about that?
Blacklist program for comments. For the special perverts.
A message to the folks that made the admins change the code of conduct: Go touch grass.

Please try to convince me I'm wrong. Give me a meaningful conversation.

But the fact how there's loopholes and it's defeats it's own purpose. You don't really have a great chance to convince me.
If I can say something about any of this "Reasonable expectoration to be comfortable" It defeats it's self. Because now I'am. And it needs to be changed again.

*their

sipothac said:
*their

Lol I had it right the first time then I change it to the wrong grammar. Sorry I didn't know I was talking to English teachers.

anthony1991 said:
words

Can you do me a favor? Define woke. I'd quite like to hear it.

I should also note that hosting sexualized images doesn't inherently mean consent to host any and all text people wish to post. If you want to see why fantasizing about characters is banned, for instance, go check out rule34.xxx.

Hell, if you want to see a site where you can post pretty much anything, go check out 4chan. Or 8kun.

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peacethroughpower said:
Can you do me a favor? Define woke. I'd quite like to hear it.

I should also note that hosting sexualized images doesn't inherently mean consent to host any and all text people wish to post. If you want to see why fantasizing about characters is banned, for instance, go check out rule34.xxx.

Hell, if you want to see a site where you can post pretty much anything, go check out 4chan. Or 8kun.

I can't because it has been corrupted and used. It wouldn't be right for me to add onto it other then use it as an example.
It should be about being aware to peoples rights being violated. But it's turned into something worse.
But yes what Cinder said.
I hate Ron DeSantis... He lost all trust in me.
He's a weak minded follower that will say and do anything to stay in power.

cinder said:
You can stop having a meltdown any day now, thanks.

If I was having a meltdown I wouldn't be lucid. Try again.
Your passive aggressive comment makes me feel uncomfortable.
Your a moderator. You should be a role model. Not a hypocrite...

kora_viridian said:
This is a special moment. It's not often you get to see a red bar being born.

post #4158731

Don't miss out on the second part of the meltdown in the comments
https://e621.net/comments?group_by=comment&search[creator_id]=2759&page=a7523446

Edit: Just so we are clear, please don't go and dogpile on that guy in the comments.
It's not going to help things anyways. He's making enough of a spectacle of himself here.

We are just waiting for an admin to wake up and deal with this.

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cinder said:
Don't miss out on the second part of the meltdown in the comments
https://e621.net/comments?group_by=comment&search[creator_id]=2759&page=a7523446

Again. If I was having a meltdown I wouldn't be lucid.
You can find this entertaining I don't mind. I like to spread joy and happiness to people so if you take pleasure doing this. That is great. Good for you!
More power and love to you both.

If you can't even engage with me though, It only further proves my point. so thank you. Please keep going.

anthony1991 said:
What's a red bar?

w--how do you have an account age of 14 years and not know what a red bar is? a negative record, dude, like the one you already have on your account.
and, like this isn't a new rule they're just making up in he last year or something the creepy comment rule has been in effect since like 2010, at least.

also jeez, 11 tag edits in 14 years...

anthony1991 said:
I like to spread joy and happiness to people so if you take pleasure doing this.

you're not spreading a lot of happiness by forcing us to read the same exact boring opinions that have been posted on this thread and multiple comment sections over the past dozen years.

darryus said:
w--how do you have an account age of 14 years and not know what a red bar is? a negative record, dude, like the one you already have on your account.
and, like this isn't a new rule they're just making up in he last year or something the creepy comment rule has been in effect since like 2010, at least.

also jeez, 11 tag edits in 14 years...

Sure I guess. I don't know what that has to do with this issue though.
Taking the attention away from the issue, and onto me is what exactly? I'm a being embarrassed? If so how?
I have a legitimate concern's and feelings just like anyone else. I took a long time to be able to do this for myself and not be completely in an actual meltdown..

And the fact that this is happening and no one seems to care enough to understand me or even engage just proves my points.

But hey, if you get a kick out of this. That's your kink.

darryus said:
w--how do you have an account age of 14 years and not know what a red bar is? a negative record, dude, like the one you already have on your account.
and, like this isn't a new rule they're just making up in he last year or something the creepy comment rule has been in effect since like 2010, at least.

also jeez, 11 tag edits in 14 years...you're not spreading a lot of happiness by forcing us to read the same exact boring opinions that have been posted on this thread and multiple comment sections over the past dozen years.

Boring? So by someone saying they have their popcorn and such and pointing the finger at me, is boring? That's pretty sad. I thought people were having fun.

I thought we all have that same expectation. But I do not. I'm not allowed that, or even allowed to engage or understand it more. Because It doesn't make any sense to me.

The fact that we're punished for saying sexual things on a porn site in confounding.
The fact that the mod is instigating a gang up scenario, onto me. Proves I'm more right then you can even argue...

Also, I didn't say I was spreading happiness. I said I like to.
So don't place words in my mouth, Thank you.

And it's pretty obvious people are getting a kick out of this. So It's not boring. It's pretty fun.

Being labeled is funny.

It's not a rule. It's code of conduct.
What determines what's creepy on a porn site? lol.
Sexual comments? Love the hypocrisy. Hilarious! XD
contradictory? LMFAO
I didn't know it took 13 years to create a functioning code of conduct. That's pretty hilarious.

Well it's functioning. just not well. lol. 13 years... Still trying to get it to work... ooooof

Also please no dude. That's just assuming my pronouns.

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cinder said:
Don't miss out on the second part of the meltdown in the comments
https://e621.net/comments?group_by=comment&search[creator_id]=2759&page=a7523446

Edit: Just so we are clear, please don't go and dogpile on that guy in the comments.
It's not going to help things anyways. He's making enough of a spectacle of himself here.

We are just waiting for an admin to wake up and deal with this.

You started the dogpile already.
And please not guy. It's not my pronoun.
Or himself*.
Like I said. You answer other peoples questions just fine. While you just dogpile me, and point the finger. I guess I don't get the same expectations. And you'll remain a hypocritic narcissist.

anthony1991 said:
Boring? So by someone saying they have their popcorn and such and pointing the finger at me, is boring? That's pretty sad. I thought people were having fun.

I thought we all have that same expectation. But I do not. I'm not allowed that, or even allowed to engage or understand it more. Because It doesn't make any sense to me.

The fact that we're punished for saying sexual things on a porn site in confounding.
The fact that the mod is instigating a gang up scenario, onto me. Proves I'm more right then you can even argue...

Also, I didn't say I was spreading happiness. I said I like to.
So don't place words in my mouth, Thank you.

And it's pretty obvious people are getting a kick out of this. So It's not boring. It's pretty fun.

Being labeled is funny.

It's not a rule. It's code of conduct.
What determines what's creepy on a porn site? lol.
Sexual comments? Love the hypocrisy. Hilarious! XD
contradictory? LMFAO
I didn't know it took 13 years to create a functioning code of conduct. That's pretty hilarious.

Well it's functioning. just not well. lol. 13 years... Still trying to get it to work... ooooof

Also please no dude. That's just assuming my pronouns.

Technically not a “porn site,” just an art archive that allows pornographic content.

scaliespe said:
Technically not a “porn site,” just an art archive that allows pornographic content.

That's your opinion I guess. Thanks though.

scaliespe said:
define “opinion”

I don't need to cater to you. Plus I suck at it. and people don't like it.
But just for your personal needs.
It's a view that you come up with.

anthony1991 said:
I don't need to cater to you. Plus I suck at it. and people don't like it.
But just for your personal needs.
It's a view that you come up with.

If it’s just my opinion, then what is all this non-porn doing here?
rating:safe
gee that’s a lot of non-porn for a """porn site"""

scaliespe said:
If it’s just my opinion, then what is all this non-porn doing here?
rating:safe
gee that’s a lot of non-porn for a """porn site"""

Gee what's all this gore, and rape doing on an art archive?

anthony1991 said:
Gee what's all this gore, and rape doing on an art archive?

👇

scaliespe said:
Technically not a “porn site,” just an art archive that allows pornographic content.