Okay, I want to see what you guys would do if furries were real.

Also, through extensive use of the Google and the Wikipedia, looking up animal-human hybrids and ways to do it, how would you propose that we actually splice the DNA of two totally different species together and make them look like we want them to?

I read about genetic engineering, including some word I cant remember for this where they modify the DNA when the organism is still an embryo or something, and somatic genetic engineering where they modify the DNA of something already living.

Thread all sciencey and shit

Mmm, nope.

For science! :3

Also I'm sorry if this makes little or no sense I'm kinda half asleep rite now and I should be asleep cuz there's school tomorrow

If they were real, I bet you that there's going to be a "furry movement" to stop peeps from treating them like animals and to be treated like humans.

Furries are real, who do you think goes to furry conventions and shit?

Now if you're talking about Humans with spliced DNA from Animals then that is probably possible in a couple decades, science is currently working on bacteria that is capable of changing the entire DNA of a living organism, while the organism lives.
Note, the bacteria has been around for hundreds of years, they are just working at how to tell the thing what part of the DNA needs to replaced with what, the whole replacing part itself is pretty much nailed down.

The problem will just be to determine what part of the DNA does what and then assembling it in a way to actually create an organism that is capable of self sufficient living.

If they were real, huh? My friend and I had a little discussion earlier which was backed up by the movie 'Splice'. The concept is overall a very admirable one however you have to think about the actual lifespan of the entity. Combining DNA from different creatures is tricky and can result in lifespans of around maybe a couple years or two decades. If we could successfully find the longevity gene in a human and maintain that specific piece, we could make one a reality. Alas there is also the appearance issue, as true animals look vastly different than an anthro.

... Oh and behavioral traits like hunger, sexual tendencies, and of course various other risk factors (rabies)

N08L3553-5UPPL1C3 said:
If they were real, huh? My friend and I had a little discussion earlier which was backed up by the movie 'Splice'. The concept is overall a very admirable one however you have to think about the actual lifespan of the entity. Combining DNA from different creatures is tricky and can result in lifespans of around maybe a couple years or two decades. If we could successfully find the longevity gene in a human and maintain that specific piece, we could make one a reality. Alas there is also the appearance issue, as true animals look vastly different than an anthro.

... Oh and behavioral traits like hunger, sexual tendencies, and of course various other risk factors (rabies)

In simple terms, it's gana take a lot of science to keep their mind human, but their appearance furry. Tho I think it might be worth it....

That'd be cool. Furries really existing along with humans and animals... conceptually, of course.

Xch3l said:
That'd be cool. Furries really existing along with humans and animals... conceptually, of course.

Right up until they started eating us.

Splicing DNA in a multicellular organism is very complicated. The DNA work together as a whole, so simply putting some of dog DNA in a human won't create a anthro dog. DNA only controls the coding of proteins and you'll need precise expression in different parts of the body to make it work.

The creation of "intelligent" anthro animals (not saying that non-human animals are not intelligent, but I'm talking about the intelligence to understand human language and abstract concepts) is even harder, because you need to reshape the human brain to fit an anthro animal skull that is usually smaller in relative volume.

Beside these challenges furries also creates some other consequences:

1) Religious consequences: Religions usually puts human in a different level than animals, so the merging of the two could create moral problems. There are also religions based on anthro animals Gods, I won't talk much about it because this is not a forum to discuss religion but just think of the consequences.

2) Sociological consequences:
These furries will not have a species identity, so they'll fall in love with either non-human animals or humans, either way it could be considered semi-zoophilia
You own a pet but you don't own a person. What will you do with a furry? Will you consider them as equals? There will surely be a lot of discrimination at first.

3) Scientific consequences:
This is where the best thing about it: if we could create an anthro animal capable of talking, we could understand a lot more about animals emotions just by psycology alone, giving a great leap into the science of animal behavior.
If anthro animals could be done, other animals could also be created, like a pig/cow or a sheep/peacock. I'm sure humans will explore all these possibilities for profit.

I'm sure there are a lot more consequences, I'm just too tired to think.

I would love to live in a world with furries but not through science. Better to get transported magically into a world where they exist in the first place.

You should have said "what if anthropomorphic people were real". And at that I'd have to ask what the status of the world was and how their genetics worked.

Given the issue with bigotry to this day I could see there being a relationship similar to One Piece between humans and fish folk/merfolk with there being too much racism and fear between the species for healthy interaction.

Anatomy wise would they work like humans, where the outcome of the offspring was determined by the most recent genes pooled and divided by recessive and dominant traits? Or would they work like merfolk were the entire ancestry remains in the bloodline allowing for the offspring to become anything in that ancestry?

In case you don't understand, a human and a goldfish mermaid could produce an offspring, but the outcome could be human or goldfish mermaid. Not only that but if the goldfish mermaid has a shark fish man as an ancester the the offspring could even be a shark fish man instead of a human or mermaid.

Back on topic, if anthropomorphs were artificially created, then I assume they would work as they do in most of Trump's doujins, were they are sold as pets, with humans able to genetically enhance themselves with the genetics (or body parts) of other species.

In which case, I'd prefer the former to the latter despite the racism that would surface.

I think to a limited extent it will definitely be tried. You don't have to be a furry to realize that some of our hardware is distinctly suboptimal and other animals have better adaptations. Although quite likely cyborg type stuff is a better bet, many people seem to be uniquely squicked by it. It's not really clear in either case how we could overcome the problems inherent (rejection in both cases; unintended sideeffects in the GM case; toxicity in the cyborg case).

Ko-san said:
stuff

If anthro animals could reproduce it could be very dangerous. Opening an opportunity to mix up genes of different species is one of the ways to lose genetic diversity. Anyway, the genetics of the anthro animals will probably work by polyploidy. It simply means that the cromossome wont find a matching pair of cromossomes between the two species, so it will keep both in the same cell during mitosis.

With the cytogenetics out of the way, when the genetics are very different there is outbreeding. It simply means that a lot of the offspring will die or have some major genetic problem. The opposite could also happen but it will be rare. There is a thing called heterosis, where the hybrids are better than the original parental (sub)species.

savageorange said:
stuff

There are already sex toys using robots out there, I can't see why toxicity could be a problem in cyborgs.

blackest_vulture said:

I would love to live in a world with furries but not through science. Better to get transported magically into a world where they exist in the first place.

And that's why I love Corruption of Champions

I'm presenting a scenario where they simply exist without human intervention. That's where my first situation is grounded. As stated, I believe that, should they be artificially created, they would most likely be sold as property and viewed as nothing more than that with the only love being what you may find between a human and their pet.

If they naturally existed, I produced two outcomes based on an already existing system. If a human and an anthro had offspring the child could either be a mishmash of current genes as is with humans, though I would see this as faulty, whereas the other outcome could be that the child only follows the genetics of a single parent. Should the anthro give birth to an anthro then the anthro would be something from their genetic ancestry, whereas if the offspring from the anthro was human then the child wouldn't retain any traits from the anthro line.

If the anthropomorphs existed naturally, then feral instinct shouldn't be an issue as they wouldn't be some experiment of genetic manipulation. They would be animal people.

blackest_vulture said:
There are already sex toys using robots out there, I can't see why toxicity could be a problem in cyborgs.

Depends on what metals are needed. If we can stick to titanium, that seems like it won't be too much of a problem. I'm not sure how practical that restriction will turn out to be, though.

(also I feel compelled to point out that there is a rather substantial difference between having something in your body when you're feeling horny, and having something in your body 24/7.)

RioluKid said:

And that's why I love Corruption of Champions

I tend to avoid 90% of the content when I play that. Too many plot holes and forced transformation.

Ko-san said:
I tend to avoid 90% of the content when I play that. Too many plot holes and forced transformation.

Um, the only forced transformation in CoC is pregnancy, and butthole/vagina size when you get too stretched out.
99.9% of CoC transformations are from using items, so don't eat weird things, don't get transformed.

Halite said:
Um, the only forced transformation in CoC is pregnancy, and butthole/vagina size when you get too stretched out.
99.9% of CoC transformations are from using items, so don't eat weird things, don't get transformed.

Last time I played that, my character ate and drank everything that was handed to him. The outcome was inevitable :I

Halite said:
Um, the only forced transformation in CoC is pregnancy, and butthole/vagina size when you get too stretched out.
99.9% of CoC transformations are from using items, so don't eat weird things, don't get transformed.

Using items/equipment, losing fights (or just fighting in general), strange encounters, quests with little choice, nighttime encounters, sexual interaction of almost any kind, etc.

And it isn't limited to just your character either. What's worse is you can't fix things.

Ko-san said:
Using items/equipment, losing fights (or just fighting in general), strange encounters, quests with little choice, nighttime encounters, sexual interaction of almost any kind, etc.

And it isn't limited to just your character either. What's worse is you can't fix things.

You weren't playing CoC then.
There isn't anywhere near that kind of forced transformation in CoC.

Ko-san said:
I tend to avoid 90% of the content when I play that. Too many plot holes and forced transformation.

Same. I checked out TITS or whatever it's called 3 months back, is it a superior game to CoC or just a different world setting?

ZigguratVertigo said:
Same. I checked out TITS or whatever it's called 3 months back, is it a superior game to CoC or just a different world setting?

I know next to nothing about that, but it sounds like the same thing in a different setting.

ZigguratVertigo said:
Same. I checked out TITS or whatever it's called 3 months back, is it a superior game to CoC or just a different world setting?

It is superior to CoC.
More complex game system, multiple worlds, you own a ship you can upgrade, or buy bigger ships.
And I know more than next to nothing about it.

If furries were real? Life would be like e621 right now.

Halite said:
Right up until they started eating us.

In a good way? Or a bad one? :P

Ko-san said:
Using items/equipment, losing fights (or just fighting in general), strange encounters, quests with little choice, nighttime encounters, sexual interaction of almost any kind, etc.

And it isn't limited to just your character either. What's worse is you can't fix things.

This sounds like Flexibel Survival, not CoC.

In CoC the transformations are all voluntary, except in Bad Ends, no NPC gets transformed without your express actions, the same happens to the more hardcore fetishes.
And the nighttime encounters are all toggle able as well, for all character dispositions and in multiple, sometimes reversible, ways.

NotMeNotYou said:
This sounds like Flexibel Survival, not CoC.

In CoC the transformations are all voluntary, except in Bad Ends, no NPC gets transformed without your express actions, the same happens to the more hardcore fetishes.
And the nighttime encounters are all toggle able as well, for all character dispositions and in multiple, sometimes reversible, ways.

I've never heard of Flexible Survival.

It'd be cool, though they'd probably be discriminated in our history because we Humans just can't accept anyone for who they are without years of bloodshed.

So, after thinking about all the possibilities here, I've come to realise this question comes with a few assumptions.

I am going to guess the scenario is that furries have existed evolving along-side mankind and we have somehow managed to not commit total genocide one way or the other, and there are few social taboos involved in cross-anthro relationships.
In my head I like to imagine it'd be like race politics in the 1970's. There's a lot of lingering segregation. I'd be that one human who shows up in the 'furries only' bar because I have a 'thing' for them that makes several of my friends uncomfortable, and end up being way out of my depth because I just don't get it, and ultimately end up in an abusive sex-crazed cross-species relationship with some Alligator man who treats me like fucking dirt because he knows I won't say anything about it and he has anger issues.

If you want to go the whole 'they were genetically engineered' route it's kinda a different story because they'd probably be sold as commodities to kinky millionaires and actually seeing a live one would be really fucking rare. Chances to score; almost nil.
Alternatively maybe they were made en mass and are recognised as sentient beings, and would probably be on some kind of special government reservation till they were ready to integrate into human society. Wait 200 years and go back to scenario A.
There'd probably be better porn though.

EDIT: Actually a more interesting scenario would be if *humans* were the oppressed minority. Out species barely made it and are treated as second class citizens to a multitude of privileged animal races.
So long as we're staying in fantasy land, I guess I'd be a male hooker to furs with low standards ('Ew, you slept with a human? You should get yourself checked. Those things carry diseases.')

A very similar discussion was brought up in forum #84500

My short thoughts:
Racism would spike.
Ten times more wars than there are now.
Horrible disgusting crimes across the world as different species now commit cannibalism (not technically cannibalism since people aren't the same species now, but whatever.)

Nothing would be for the better.
Apart from all the übersexy anthros walking around.
And the dongs.

Thinks about common life.
How much shampoo will they use? What about fleas? what about hot temperatures and anoying wet fur. Would they eat meat? would be some serial-fashion-killers stoling their skin to make some expensive clothes?
A bus crowded with foxes and sheeps, a bloodbath?
Some interspecies relationtship will be so strange. I wonder what will say the church about it.

So much caos

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elad said:

Alternatively maybe they were made en mass and are recognised as sentient beings, and would probably be on some kind of special government reservation till they were ready to integrate into human society.

Wow, got flashbacked with War with the Salamanders

skunkix said:
Thinks about common life.
How much shampoo will they use? What about fleas? what about hot temperatures and anoying wet fur. Would they eat meat? would be some serial-fashion-killers stoling their skin to make some expensive clothes?
A bus crowded with foxes and sheeps, a bloodbath?
Some interspecies relationtship will be so strange. I wonder what will say the church about it.

So much caos

What about cases where dogs, sheeps and foxes were to cross a river on a small boat that can't more than two passesgers? :O

Will the word "people" apply to them? We will name them "furries"? Will I stop making questions? Will I Am?

skunkix said:
Some interspecies relationtship will be so strange. I wonder what will say the church about it.

If it's a shark, the church will never find out... if you get the memo.

Peekaboo said:
A very similar discussion was brought up in forum #84500

My short thoughts:
Racism would spike.
Ten times more wars than there are now.
Horrible disgusting crimes across the world as different species now commit cannibalism (not technically cannibalism since people aren't the same species now, but whatever.)

Nothing would be for the better.
Apart from all the übersexy anthros walking around.
And the dongs.

There was an AMAZINGLY good story on Yiffstar (while it was still called that) which dealt with this, and things went just like you say. I'm going to try and find it, because it was a really really good read. Might have my nostalgia glasses on, but I remember that the story was great. It started off, like most furry stories do, all about the sex. But then it slowly evolved into furries being persecuted by humans, trying to unite and gain their own freedom while dealing with all the fear and hatred that comes along with social progress, and all the horrors that it entailed. It was very clearly modeled after the civil rights movement (I think it was even based in america) and it really struck a chord for me.

It will happen, amateur "maker labs" will help to dodge ethics panels + individual funding issues, and there will be a surge in religious terrorism in response to all bioengineering.

The dongs.

Xch3l said:
What about cases where dogs, sheeps and foxes were to cross a river on a small boat that can't more than two passesgers? :O

Will the word "people" apply to them? We will name them "furries"? Will I stop making questions? Will I Am?

They should be called people. Racists would call them animals, no better than cattle or wildlife.

I'm telling you guys, read One Piece. At least the Fishman Island arc.

If humans weren't paranoid shoot first, blame it on the other person, greedy, things they have proven to be through out history this would have been nice... but humans arent so... realistically bad idea if it was possible to pull off. but in a perfect world....... Nekomimis everywhere....

They would not be nearly as attractive as they are portrayed in drawn images.
They would probably land firmly in the uncanny valley, looking something like peekaboo's avatar.

Spess_Muhreen said:
They would not be nearly as attractive as they are portrayed in drawn images.
They would probably land firmly in the uncanny valley, looking something like peekaboo's avatar.

At least we HAVE something!

Halite said:
The dongs.

Think more than THAT!

N08L3553-5UPPL1C3 said:
Combining DNA from different creatures is tricky and can result in lifespans of around maybe a couple years or two decades.

As is understood ageing you "just" need to extend the cells telomere to bypass the hayflick limit. This should result in the cell being able to divide more often before the cell dies. => You life longer (Wikipedia ftw).
That shouldn't be a problem if you're able to merge DNA

As for the question itself:
Racism, hate, rage. That's what I predict besides I would love it :3

rebane said:
As for the question itself:
Racism, hate, rage. That's what I predict besides I would love it :3

Would you love hating them? Or love the fact that furries existed?

Xch3l said:
Would you love hating them? Or love the fact that furries existed?

the fact that furries existed

rebane said:
the fact that furries existed

Yah, me too. It would be a new revolution!

Or if science doesn't give us furries, species preservation will >:)

Spess_Muhreen said:
They would probably land firmly in the uncanny valley, looking something like peekaboo's avatar.

Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me. I'd fuck me hard.

Do I not get to be a real thing?
You mammals are all racist.

Peekaboo said:
Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me. I'd fuck me hard.

Tbh, I'd fuck your hoers.

Peekaboo said:
Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me. I'd fuck me hard.

I would too, if I could. Like if somebody said "GO FUK URSELF" I'd be like "okay! :D"

Actini-89 said:
Do I not get to be a real thing?
You mammals are all racist.

LALALA YOU'RE NOT REAL LALALA I'M NOT LISTENING LALALA

Xch3l said:

kill all mosquitos!!

I approve this message. :3

Ko-san said:
They should be called people. Racists would call them animals, no better than cattle or wildlife.

I'm telling you guys, read One Piece. At least the Fishman Island arc.

A person calling them animals wouldn't be a racist, since they aren't a different race, but an entirely different species in this situation.
Unless you go the Elder Scrolls route in which Khajiits and Argonians are classified as different races, but even then they are called by their "race" and not people, such as the case of the "Lusty Argonian Maid".

Moon_Moon said:
A person calling them animals wouldn't be a racist, since they aren't a different race, but an entirely different species in this situation.
Unless you go the Elder Scrolls route in which Khajiits and Argonians are classified as different races, but even then they are called by their "race" and not people, such as the case of the "Lusty Argonian Maid".

Race can be more than skin color.

For example, there is the human race, and the canine race. Within those we have Asians, blacks, Hispanics and so forth while the canine race has huskies, corgies, shelties and so forth.

People are beings, generally humans, who exist as a nation or community.

Ko-san said:
For example, there is the human race, and the canine race. Within those we have Asians, blacks, Hispanics and so forth while the canine race has huskies, corgies, shelties and so forth.

Race ≠ Species

Peekaboo said:
Race ≠ Species

Essentially, a race is a subset of the term "species", however with humans being to only "people" they are the only ones to have the term issued to them. A race is the classification of a species based on cultural and memetic differences whereas a species is a seperation of a larger group of beings (animals or plants) based on genetic differences and their ability to breed and create offspring.

Given anthropomorphic characters are evolved enough to be considered people they would be seperated into races the same as humans are. They wouldn't merely be feral animals who live almost solely on instinct. They would have a culture and memes of their own. Given they grew naturally, and not in labs. If anthropomorphic charactersthen cross the breeding gap, then their species would intertwine with ours breaking the main difference that decides species.

Peekaboo said:
...(not technically cannibalism since people aren't the same species now, but whatever.)

Talzhemir of Furcadia coined the term sennibalism for chowing down on sentient beings of another species.

Ko-san said:
Essentially, a race is a subset of the term "species", however with humans being to only "people" they are the only ones to have the term issued to them. A race is the classification of a species based on cultural and memetic differences whereas a species is a seperation of a larger group of beings (animals or plants) based on genetic differences and their ability to breed and create offspring.

Given anthropomorphic characters are evolved enough to be considered people they would be seperated into races the same as humans are. They wouldn't merely be feral animals who live almost solely on instinct. They would have a culture and memes of their own. Given they grew naturally, and not in labs. If anthropomorphic charactersthen cross the breeding gap, then their species would intertwine with ours breaking the main difference that decides species.

Actually, the term for the subset of a species would be "subspecies".
See, things like neanderthal are a separate subspecies of homo sapiens.
Whereas all races are still homo sapiens sapiens, the subspecies that is modern humans.
Race is sometimes considered a further distinction beyond subspecies, but generally speaking isn't considered taxonomically relevant.
The animal equivalent of "race" would likely be "breed", as in cat and dog breeds.

Halite said:
Actually, the term for the subset of a species would be "subspecies".
See, things like neanderthal are a separate subspecies of homo sapiens.
Whereas all races are still homo sapiens sapiens, the subspecies that is modern humans.
Race is sometimes considered a further distinction beyond subspecies, but generally speaking isn't considered taxonomically relevant.
The animal equivalent of "race" would likely be "breed", as in cat and dog breeds.

Species = separation of species based on genetics

(All homo-sapiens are essentially the same, so there are no subspecies.)

Races = separation of species based on memetics

(Given only humans follow memes, they are the only species to be categorized as such)

A breed is a subspecies (read: "species within a species") based on unique features, such as looks, and is normally created by deliberate selection.

If anthropomorphic people existed and were capable of breeding with and birthing offspring with humans then our species' would intertwine creating a larger species with humans being a subspecies within that new, larger species. The new people would then be divided into races based on their cultural differences or memes.

If the interbreeding of humans with anthropomorphs lead to the creation of new subspecies, which I theorized it wouldn't, then people could be categorized as breeds as well.

Ko-san said:
Races = separation of species based on memetics

Having brown, white, or yellow skin is not a meme.
Unless you're a mime.

savageorange said:
Having brown, white, or yellow skin is not a meme.
Unless you're a mime.

A race is a seperation of species based on memes. Memes are ideas, behaviours or styles that define a culture. As humans evolved memetically, they deemed skin color as something that was socially significant. The idea that people were different because of their skin color brought further memes to surface, stereotypes if you will, including behaviours, ideals, styles and cultures.

There is an insignificant difference in genes when it comes to skin color, so the divide is based on memes.

Ko-san said:
A race is a seperation of species based on memes. Memes are ideas, behaviours or styles that define a culture. As humans evolved memetically, they deemed skin color as something that was socially significant. The idea that people were different because of their skin color brought further memes to surface, stereotypes if you will, including behaviours, ideals, styles and cultures.

There is an insignificant difference in genes when it comes to skin color, so the divide is based on memes.

Racial discrimination and stereotyping is made up of memes, yes.

Race is not just made up of memes.

The Wikipedia article sums it up well:

"Race is a classification system[specify] used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, and/or social affiliation".
Only some of those dimensions are memetic in nature.

To me, saying race is exclusively memetic is like saying dog breeds are memetic or memes are memetic or my creative process is memetic: I don't see how it actually adds information. Rather, it seems to omit and distort information.

I mean, if you want to say that's how race SHOULD be defined, maybe you have a point. But, that isn't how race is currently defined, and that's what is in question when you say 'race is...' -- how people in general actually use the word. Race describes physical differences, as well as cultural differences.

Ko-san said:
Species = separation of species based on genetics

(All homo-sapiens are essentially the same, so there are no subspecies.)

Races = separation of species based on memetics

(Given only humans follow memes, they are the only species to be categorized as such)

A breed is a subspecies (read: "species within a species") based on unique features, such as looks, and is normally created by deliberate selection.

If anthropomorphic people existed and were capable of breeding with and birthing offspring with humans then our species' would intertwine creating a larger species with humans being a subspecies within that new, larger species. The new people would then be divided into races based on their cultural differences or memes.

If the interbreeding of humans with anthropomorphs lead to the creation of new subspecies, which I theorized it wouldn't, then people could be categorized as breeds as well.

Nope, breeds are like races.
All dog breeds are the species Canis Lupus, and the subspecies Familiaris.
Dog breeds are a further separation of the same subspecies that are not significantly genetically distinct, much like races of humans.

Trust me, I've studied the articles, so I know what I meant.

You have to understand the key difference between genes and memes. Basically, genes are a beings' genetic makeup. They decide what things will look like and how they will grow and change. When genes evolve this is physical evolution. Survival of the fittist. Now memes are evolutionary traits in the mind. Memes are learned and taught, they are not instinctual. When a species grows into a nation or culture they create memes that are taught and practised and these memes define a culture. Humans are the only species to have come this far though.

Given all humans are 99% alike, they have divided themselves with certain ideas, cultures and traits based on significant observations such as skin color. There are stereotypes for people with different skin, hair, ethnicities, religions and beliefs. These differences are not significantly genetic and aren't inherited at birth. These are memes, ideas and generalisations used to define a culture, that are taught and learned as people grow. If you were to raise people with a complete absence of these memes, then they would grow equally with the same ideas and culture.
Going further, racism is the idea that one is inferior to another merely based on memetic differences. Racism is taught and learned, just as cultures are taught and learned. There is no instinctual drive that seperates these people from others in a culture, merely ideas and perceptions.
Have you noticed that people find it hard to determine what biracial people are? When you have a collaberation of cultures in a single person, it becomes hard for people to assign memes to them. One may try to assign them to one race and others may ask you which side you follow culturally. Given there is no genetic or instinctual difference people use memes to define their culture as well as others.

As for breeds I gave a dictionary definition for that. Given dogs don't have memes they do not identify themselves as races as races are a seperation of culture. Breeding is basically forced evolution to receive an aesthetic outcome.

First of all, races in non-human animals are defined differently than human races. This is usually the case in many biological concepts because a lot of them were used primarily just for humans before being transposed to biology. The word race in anthropology and sociology has a different meaning than the word race in biology.

Second, don't confuse phenotypes with races or subspecies. While a phenotype is particular physical (or behavioral) trait shown by an individual, a subspecies is a set of traits shown by a population with the potential of speciation. You can't identify a subspecies just by analyzing an individual alone. In case of humans, that the suppose "races" are so mixed up due to globalization, so it's impossible for a geneticist to separate entire biological races (or subspecies) based on people genetics alone.

I usually associate subspecies as a result from a natural phenomena, where different populations exists and diverge naturally. Breeds and races are more associated to artificial selection, where selective breedings are made to achieve specific traits. In both cases, there are genetics differences different groups.

If furries were real, of course there could be different scenarios:

• Furries can be of different species and people can have sex with them just for fun. If this is the case, there will surely cause a lot of discrimination at least in the beginning.
• Furries can be of the same species but living in clusters. This scenario will lead pretty much to the discrimination existing today. Maybe even a couple of genocide attempts to pursuit a pure human race.
• Furries can breed with human and live among us. In this case probably they will be threated like we threat the handicapped or burnt victims: we will surely notice them, some people will talk about it, but as a society we will learn tolerate or even try to help them. In some cases they could even receive positive discrimination.

Ko-san said:
Given dogs don't have memes [...]

There are already studies regarding animal culture and memes. This field is growing ;)

If humans were to mate with furries, chances of new STDs would be very high(or low).

blackest_vulture said:
There are already studies regarding animal culture and memes. This field is growing ;)

The future is nigh!

Wikipedia really comes in handy lol

Interesting to see peoples response to this

Read only the first page, lots of.. interesting responses.. Anyways, short and simple... bad, bad stuff...

I'm surprised people haven't been talking about how they'd undergo a procedure to relinquish their humanity for the sake of a kink at the first opportunity.

Surprised, and glad.

Kämpfer said:
I'm surprised people haven't been talking about how they'd undergo a procedure to relinquish their humanity for the sake of a kink at the first opportunity.

Surprised, and glad.

If body modification was available, the most I'd do is get a prehensile tail, like a monkey. I would still prefer to keep my body.

Ko-san said:
If body modification was available, the most I'd do is get a prehensile tail, like a monkey. I would still prefer to keep my body.

Oh, damn! This!! Or at least a third hand :3

You know, for those moments where you need one, like when you need to hold something and you're out of hands

Kämpfer said:
I'm surprised people haven't been talking about how they'd undergo a procedure to relinquish their humanity for the sake of a kink at the first opportunity.

Surprised, and glad.

And what's wrong with losing something as arbitrary as 'humanity' as long as you retain sentience, opposable thumbs and a bipedal form?