Kämpfer said:
Well, if that's how you feel about your species

We're pretty irresponsible and stupid as a species anyway.

Kämpfer said:
Driving/flying/playing video games might be more uncomfortable with a tail though.

Oh, and fun fact: humans naturally grow tails in utero. Very rarely, people retain these tails. They look hideous.

Well, if that's how you feel about your species

I've seen them, but those aren't prehensile monkey tails. And tails grow as an extension to the spine, so it would sprout from the small of your back, not in the way of sitting. While not in use I'd likely wrap it around my waist anyway.

Kämpfer said:
Well, if that's how you feel about your species

I would much rather be shunned by those who are no longer my kind than to live as part of a species that has not changed in over nine millennia.

Kämpfer said:
We've changed! Over the past few thousand years, our hearing has degenerated, our sense of smell has practically vanished, and our stomachs have become unable to kill microorganisms in raw meat and untreated water.

We've become domesticated.

Kämpfer said:
We've changed! Over the past few thousand years, our hearing has degenerated, our sense of smell has practically vanished, and our stomachs have become unable to kill microorganisms in raw meat and untreated water.

In return for increased brain size/mental capacity. I think I'm OK with this, especially considering how many of us, myself included, would probably be dead without modern medicine.

Tokaido said:
In return for increased brain size/mental capacity. I think I'm OK with this, especially considering how many of us, myself included, would probably be dead without modern medicine.

Too bad they are also smart enough to exploit the people. We have the technology to effectively wipe out many diseases yet the money isn't in curing. It's in treating. Not helping you to get rid of the problem. But learning to live with it in exchange for money.

Ko-san said:
Too bad they are also smart enough to exploit the people. We have the technology to effectively wipe out many diseases yet the money isn't in curing. It's in treating. Not helping you to get rid of the problem. But learning to live with it in exchange for money.

Darn overvalued pieces of paper and metal... but addictive at the same time, because without them nobody would live...

Qmannn said:
Given the shitstorm that'd occur if they existed for any reason, be they natural or artificial, I feel it'd be best if it were something only possible within a virtual world. Truth be told, for a variety of reasons, I'd rather have my brain hooked up to a machine that simulated a world of my choosing that let me choose what to feel and have an immortal, eco-friendly, and efficient artificial body to hook my brain up to should I ever need to interact directly with the real world. It'd be like a utopian version of the Matrix. Sorta. I'm sure plenty of people would have to be forced into it and if they aren't, then they'll probably be huge threats unless the systems making this possible were extremely secure.

If something like this is possible, I doubt I'll live long enough to experience it, especially with greedy people and/or the type of people who'd actively oppose such things having the power to hinder it.

Do you mean something like a game, or something that you donate your life for? I'd be all for the idea of a virtual game, but not something where you are made to live the rest of your days in a computer simulation.

Ko-san said:
Do you mean something like a game, or something that you donate your life for? I'd be all for the idea of a virtual game, but not something where you are made to live the rest of your days in a computer simulation.

This. As if current technology hasn't made us lazy enough :/ *glances at all of the branch of smart tvs, cars, refrigerators, phones and health devices*

Qmannn said:
I don't see why existing in a virtual world would mean not being able to contribute anything back to the world or being lazy, especially if you're creative, enjoy learning, or enjoy challenging yourself. Plus, being able to control how you feel things on a physical and emotional level, including your perception of time, would help a lot.

Yeah, sure. But that would be on a predesigned, ideal world. Y'see, humans would create a dependency, either consciously or unconsciously, on said ideal world because the human brain is prone to the addiction of feeling good (Windmill, windmill, for the land...) and just stay in that state ignoring pretty much everything else outside. And when you realize the fact that you're living in a prefabricated world, coming "outside" to the real world will be hell of an odyssey because you body would be so used to that other world that it will have to re-learn 99% of everything from scratch.

Besides, the brain is another world itself that interfacing it to a computer is still far from being done because it's so complex (different levels of organization, thinking, rationalization, feelings, etc.). I could go on this but that would be getting into the area of psychology, which I'm not really familiar with...

Plus, even if we did end up being lazier, I'm of the philosophy that working for the sake of working is silly. What I feel is important is the ability and willingness to do what's required to accomplish your goals when it's needed.

Some people work just for the sake of it, because they don't have anything else to do, or the more traditional reason, money to keep living... I agree where you say that working for just the sake of it is rather dumb (as well as doing stuff without a clear objective) and working should have something in return (like knowledge, experience, money to live, etc), but since I prefer being on the technical side of things rather than theoretical, out thoughts might differ

I remember reading a book where, only in a single chapter, there was a gang of children who was run by this "perfect child". When the protagonist of the book found the source of the "perfect child" they found a young man, not much older than 17 or so, who had been living in a fabricated ideal world for as long as he could remember. His body was frail, he was sickly and he couldn't survive apart from the machine he was hooked to.

I can't remember what happens in the book, but I couldn't imagine doing that to myself.

Kämpfer said:
But it's possible that a human from five thousand years ago, if taken to our time at a very young age, could learn how to read and write, use complex speech, and maybe even get a degree.

...What.

Take a look at those lists of cultures, events, and inventions. How did you get the remotest idea that Bronze Age people wouldn't be able to do everything you said? Civilization and written language were well and truly established by then.

And modern Homo sapiens has always had complex language, for at least the better part of a hundred thousand years, and likely a lot longer than that.

Kämpfer said:
About the increased mental capacity.... A human born today would probably die if he were thrown back in time five thousand years.
But it's possible that a human from five thousand years ago, if taken to our time at a very young age, could learn how to read and write, use complex speech, and maybe even get a degree. Admittedly, I'm no expert and you can't exactly test something like this but I don't think that the human mind has changed significantly over the past few thousand years.

Our brains have been actually shrinking in the last 20,000 years:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-has-human-brain-evolved/
http://discovermagazine.com/2010/sep/25-modern-humans-smart-why-brain-shrinking
http://www.pelicanbooks.com/the-domesticated-brain/

What we have accomplished is the amazing ability to register and transfer information. This allowed us to work as a collective mind to gather new information while the old one is maintained. Five thousand years is not enough time for us to detect any change in the cognitive ability of humans.

The problem of the modern world is that the selective pressure in natural selection is largely gone because we have a culture were everybody deserves to have a chance in life and have children (except the ones with very serious genetic problems like the Down Syndrome). In this case, most of us have inherited traits unsuitable to survive in the wild but, nevertheless, remember that people from 5000 years ago usually don't survive pass their 30s

Kämpfer said:
We've changed! Over the past few thousand years, our hearing has degenerated, our sense of smell has practically vanished, and our stomachs have become unable to kill microorganisms in raw meat and untreated water.

Don't underestimate our sense of smell! We probably can't consciously realize it, but Human nose can detect more than 1 trillion smells, scientists discover. About the human hearing, there are 5 parameters of hearing that can be defined, the humans improved in some of them and not in others (check this PDF if you want to know more about it.

And just to spice up the topic, remember that evolution is not driven solely by Natural Selection, there is another very important force. This is e621 and we are asking what it would be like if furries were real. Don't forget the strenght of Sexual Selection!.

I wouldn't delve into sexual selection for most of the human race. While feral animals mostly mate for survival, and only the best candidates get to mate most of the time, we've lost an edge there. Check out the start of the movie Idiocracy. for a comedy, I'd say it's right on the nose.

Ko-san said:
I wouldn't delve into sexual selection for most of the human race. While feral animals mostly mate for survival, and only the best candidates get to mate most of the time, we've lost an edge there. Check out the start of the movie Idiocracy. for a comedy, I'd say it's right on the nose.

Trust me, there is sexual selection in humans. I'm sorry I can't show you a comedy to demonstrate it, but just a plain old boring scientific paper. Anyway Mate Choice is a component of natural selection we can't deny in humans, we don't choose our mates randomly (at least the most of us).

One misconception is that we all need to choose the same attractive persons for sexual selection to work. That is not it. When a person of a specific race chooses a mate of that same race, they are perpetuating the existence of that specific race and that is natural selection. If there wasn't any natural selection in humanity, we would all be one giant mixed race with a lot of traits following the multivariate normal distribution, which is not the case in humans.

Usually individuals need to die for selection to occur, but we are growing as such rate that dying is not necessary to change the genetic frequency of certain traits to assure microevolution. Finally, physical appearance is not everything, a person can select by behavior (we also do that a lot) or by pheromones that hold cues of our Major histocompatibility complex (we do that too without realizing).

Well, I should stop there, my scientific talk must be boring everyone here.

blackest_vulture said:
Trust me, there is sexual selection in humans. I'm sorry I can't show you a comedy to demonstrate it, but just a plain old boring scientific paper. Anyway Mate Choice is a component of natural selection we can't deny in humans, we don't choose our mates randomly (at least the most of us).

One misconception is that we all need to choose the same attractive persons for sexual selection to work. That is not it. When a person of a specific race chooses a mate of that same race, they are perpetuating the existence of that specific race and that is natural selection. If there wasn't any natural selection in humanity, we would all be one giant mixed race with a lot of traits following the multivariate normal distribution, which is not the case in humans.

Usually individuals need to die for selection to occur, but we are growing as such rate that dying is not necessary to change the genetic frequency of certain traits to assure microevolution. Finally, physical appearance is not everything, a person can select by behavior (we also do that a lot) or by pheromones that hold cues of our Major histocompatibility complex (we do that too without realizing).

Well, I should stop there, my scientific talk must be boring everyone here.

I'm not denying the fact that the selection is there, I'm saying that I wouldn't bet on a good outcome based on it.

http://www.videobash.com/video_show/idiocracy-intro-245281

If furries were actually real,I'd be scared.

4channyGranny said:
If furries were actually real,I'd be scared.

There's no reason to be necro'ing this thread. Did you even look at how old it is?

4channyGranny said:
If furries were actually real,I'd be scared.

But at least necroposters live only in myth... right?

Rayzr said:
There's no reason to be necro'ing this thread. Did you even look at how old it is?

2 month necro is nothing when you see gaydukey's 2 year necro x)

Yyunko said:
2 month necro is nothing when you see gaydukey's 2 year necro x)

I have to wonder how people even find those threads. They'd have to deliberately go back several pages, right?

Yyunko said:
2 month necro is nothing when you see gaydukey's 2 year necro x)

Good point, but he seems more like a troll than someone being serious about what they're posting, so him necroíng a 2 year thread doesn't surprise me lol.

If furries equally lived among human society, many things would change.

1. They would have been killed in masses alongside the Jews in WWII
2. Technology could have been altered, like no Apple inc. or Microsoft
3. Cars would have to be able to save furries and humans in a crash
4. Governments would be different

YOU GET THE POINT

FegaMan said:
YOU GET THE POINT

Actually... I think I missed it (didn't even realize there was one), but I'm okay with that.

As far as "what would you do if" type questions: while I find it interesting to hear other people's answers, I very rarely will actually answer myself. Generally the "what if" involves a change so significant that you can't realistically predict what the results would be. Though you could say how you'd *intend* to react.

On a world-wide scale, if it were a case of just happened randomly or anthros naturally existed - there'd be a hell of a lot more conflict that we already have most likely.

If genetic engineering makes it possible: They'll be all sorts of potential political/religious/prejudice issues that would occur, but I think the physical conflict potential would be lower than in the former case.

In short, if we did have the technology to make an anthropomorphic animal with human-like intelligence, religious groups would get pissy and a hate group or six would be formed.

Most probably.

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
a hate group or six would be formed.

Or just refined, really.

At least we know they would be using chlorine gas so we have an edge as far as their strategy goes.

There's also the fact that nature would never produce something like an anthropomorphic animal because nursing would be impossible with them snouts and digitigrade legs just ain't meant for bipeds

also

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
religious groups would get pissy and a hate group or six would be formed.

Cut that out; more than just religious people would be pissed. This would mean creating intelligent life that may or may not be able to survive, let alone live an enjoyable existence, for questionable reasons. If you think scientific groups would be all over that, let me know when you're allowed to go to a cloning bank.

If furries were real, and we Enslaved them
it would put a whole new meaning to the Fur Trade!

hehehehe, get it....ill be here all week!

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
In short, if we did have the technology to make an anthropomorphic animal with human-like intelligence, religious groups would get pissy and a hate group or six would be formed.

Most probably.

Yeah, people will kinda hate anything that's different. And people would be constantly having sex with them most likely. That may or may not be a bad thing.

Fight hate groups with orgies

Durandal said:
There's also the fact that nature would never produce something like an anthropomorphic animal because nursing would be impossible with them snouts and digitigrade legs just ain't meant for bipeds

also

Cut that out; more than just religious people would be pissed. This would mean creating intelligent life that may or may not be able to survive, let alone live an enjoyable existence, for questionable reasons. If you think scientific groups would be all over that, let me know when you're allowed to go to a cloning bank.

Whats to say that they couldn't logically exist? There are plenty of ways beings evolve and adapt to survive. And I don't see how a snout would prevent nursing, nor how digitigrade legs wouldn't work on a biped. Dogs stand on their hind legs all the time. Hell, there are dogs with two legs that get around fine!

Ko-san said:
Whats to say that they couldn't logically exist? There are plenty of ways beings evolve and adapt to survive. And I don't see how a snout would prevent nursing, nor how digitigrade legs wouldn't work on a biped. Dogs stand on their hind legs all the time. Hell, there are dogs with two legs that get around fine!

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Ko-san said:
Whats to say that they couldn't logically exist? There are plenty of ways beings evolve and adapt to survive. And I don't see how a snout would prevent nursing, nor how digitigrade legs wouldn't work on a biped. Dogs stand on their hind legs all the time. Hell, there are dogs with two legs that get around fine!

Well, we have giant, soled feet for a reason... we can definitely run better than any bipedal dog, that's for sure.

I guess some form of digitigrade feet might be possible, but the feet we see in a lot of art on this site wouldn't work nearly as well as our glorious ape-feet. As for nursing, dogs can't make the "O" face that we see in so much furry art, which would be necessary for that. Real dogs have flaps for lips. It's not easy to imagine a dog-faced baby trying to suckle a human breast.

Of course, they could just get rid of the snout, or simply not give the creature human breasts... but then what's the point of it all?

Durandal said:
Well, we have giant, soled feet for a reason... we can definitely run better than any bipedal dog, that's for sure.

I guess some form of digitigrade feet might be possible, but the feet we see in a lot of art on this site wouldn't work nearly as well as our glorious ape-feet. As for nursing, dogs can't make the "O" face that we see in so much furry art, which would be necessary for that. Real dogs have flaps for lips. It's not easy to imagine a dog-faced baby trying to suckle a human breast.

Of course, they could just get rid of the snout, or simply not give the creature human breasts... but then what's the point of it all?

Dogs suckle at their mother's breast just fine and animal shelters bottle feed many infant animals as well ranging from puppies and kittens to Gators and turtles. And normally, a bipedal dog is handicapped, but it still shows that you can still function on two legs with digitigrade limbs. What would make it so they could perform as well or better than humans would be their remaining anatomy, including a human vertebrae and more human like arms with their tail providing balance humans are neigh incapable of since the loss of our tails.

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Ko-san said:
Dogs suckle at their mother's breast just fine and animal shelters bottle feed many infant animals as well ranging from puppies and kittens to Gators and turtles. And normally, a bipedal dog is handicapped, but it still shows that you can still function on two legs with digitigrade limbs. What would make it so they could perform as well or better than humans would be their remaining anatomy, including a human vertebrae and more human like arms with their tail providing balance humans are neigh incapable of since the loss of our tails.

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That just raises more questions for me. So I guess we just have to make it happen to see the results. For science. And deviant sex. But mostly for science.

Durandal said:
That just raises more questions for me. So I guess we just have to make it happen to see the results. For science. And deviant sex. But mostly for science.

Odds are scientists would choose to try to advance more intelligent animals first and foremost provided a more easily achieved goal, but we all saw what happened on Planet of the apes.

Lets say everyone turned into their sona. All us dragons would be able to fly, but we wouldn't because it'd be classified as exercise and we're lazy.

DariusTheDragon said:
Lets say everyone turned into their sona. All us dragons would be able to fly, but we wouldn't because it'd be classified as exercise and we're lazy.

And what of those with no "sona"?

Ko-san said:
And what of those with no "sona"?

steal one of these

Except this one, this one's mine:

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parasprite said:
steal one of these

Except this one, this one's mine:

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I already got my fursona, but having a backup is always good.

I'll take this one.

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Just_Another_Dragon said:
I already got my fursona, but having a backup is always good.

I'll take this one.

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I love that little guy; he's so cute.

Ko-san said:
And what of those with no "sona"?

they are humens forever

You could try your chances with a random fursona.

http://www.generatorland.com/usergenerator.aspx?id=7427

Good luck.

Genjar said:
You could try your chances with a random fursona.

http://www.generatorland.com/usergenerator.aspx?id=7427

Good luck.

What. The fuck.

"aquatic chihuahua. it is a fire elemental. it wishes it were a tree."

I'm glad that I'm fine being a hooman. :P

Genjar said:
You could try your chances with a random fursona.

http://www.generatorland.com/usergenerator.aspx?id=7427

Good luck.

"OBSCENELY BRIGHT YELLOW bee. its facial features are constantly shifting. it instagrams its starbucks drinks."

wat

Genjar said:
You could try your chances with a random fursona.

http://www.generatorland.com/usergenerator.aspx?id=7427

Good luck.

"albino alligator. it always shivers even when it's not cold. it has a forked tongue."
Huh, could've been worse.

"shimmery gray flamingo. it cries all the time and can't really do much about it. it cries all the time and can't really do much about it."

Go home generator, you're drunk

"Cream and brown turtle. it has a pet of the same species as itself. its outfit is completely holographic."

Holographic clothing? a slave pet?

This sounds kinky.

Genjar said:
You could try your chances with a random fursona.

http://www.generatorland.com/usergenerator.aspx?id=7427

Good luck.

"sparkling purple panther. it has a very large tattoo of the 'blockbuster' logo. it uses reddit but won't admit it."

"tiny purple reindeer. it robs banks. it has a tattoo that says 'yolo'."

#swag #thuglife #fuckdapolice

Lance_Armstrong said:
it uses reddit but won't admit it.

[](/howhorrifying)

"angelic boa. it loves to devour the rotting plant matter covering the forest floor. it wishes it were a butt."

Genjar said:
You could try your chances with a random fursona.

http://www.generatorland.com/usergenerator.aspx?id=7427

Good luck.

"mint green cobra. it wears a mcdonalds uniform because it works at mcdonalds. it is a magical girl."
I am a man who is also a cobra who is also a magical girl who also works at McDonalds.

Furrin_Gok said:
"it wears a mcdonalds uniform because it works at mcdonalds."

...as opposed to wearing a McDonalds uniform because they're so fashionable!

"plastic snail. its eyes are pitch black and cause those who look directly into them for too long to slowly grow older. it has heterochromia."

I have heterochromia: my left eye is pitch black, but my right eye is pitch black. Also if you stare into my eyes you experience the normal flow of time.

Going outside the thought of Gene Splicing I like the idea of an alt universe. Think of it as where anatomically correct anthro intelligent like or beyond humans Well for sure no need to have fur-conventions at that point where if evolution raised them side by side. Now like the list of any animal flaws with intelligence it be imperfect being living in an imperfect world. I still like to see that world though even if it is nothing like the paradise worlds we all like see ourselves in.

S=K_log_W said:
Going outside the thought of Gene Splicing I like the idea of an alt universe. Think of it as where anatomically correct anthro intelligent like or beyond humans Well for sure no need to have fur-conventions at that point where if evolution raised them side by side. Now like the list of any animal flaws with intelligence it be imperfect being living in an imperfect world. I still like to see that world though even if it is nothing like the paradise worlds we all like see ourselves in.

Pardon me for being rude but, u wot m8?

S=K_log_W said:
Well for sure no need to have fur-conventions at that point where if evolution raised them side by side.

Wrong. People would still totally go to conventions dressed up as different animals. #Dragon_in_a_feline_body

If furries were real, would they follow the laws real-life physics and biology, or furry physics and biology?

1of5 said:
If furries were real, would they follow the laws real-life physics and biology, or furry physics and biology?

Furry physics, imagine the bouncing boobs.

punk dolphin. it is a skateboarder. it plays the harp.

That's too...normal? Let's try again maybe;

sweaty peacock. it wears a cherry-themed outfit. it has demonic wings.

MUCH better.

I don't want real furries. I wish real antropomorphic animals.