The tag alias #62386 canid_demon -> hybrid is pending approval.

Reason: Given the fact that hybrids aren't allowed and given the fact that this tag has become pretty useless: For example, Houndoom is a fine pick for the tag because it is based off Cerberus, but on the other hand, there is Loona, who is a furry who lives in hell and not a hellhound nor a Cerberus.

And there is this: post #2362259 this looks like a cat fyi.

This was recently added too, and this makes me think this tag is far beyond saving at this point:
post #4071943 post #4071971
Apart from being a wolf interacting with a demon what makes this one a demon? Although I have doubt for Loona there is the fact she has a red sclera. Meanwhile, this looks like a generic furry wolf character.

owl_demon as well.

Are these considered hybrids? They're canids with some demonic features (mostly; I don't think Loona looks demonic at all, more goth than anything, but the show's lore says she's a demon irrespective of what she looks like), but I don't think that automatically makes them hybrids.

The demon tag is kind of sketchy as it is, much like alien it doesn't denote anything specific, it's just styled in a way that makes people say "demon" rather than any thing in specific. Houndoom is based on a dobermann_pinscher, with some built-in bone accessories, horns, and a spade tail. I wouldn't say it's a hybrid of anything; "demonic" looking perhaps, but I have trouble seeing it as a hybrid.

If you want to get rid of the tag, aliasing it to canid or demon may be better. There's also hellhound, which I wonder what the functional difference to canid_demon is (do people really see a distinction? broken apart, "hellhound", "hell"=demonic/demon "hound"=dog/canid, it basically means the same thing).

Here are some other demon-hybrid tags. Obviously not everything needs to be aliased away (such as sleep_paralysis_demon), but what should we do with them?

watsit said:
Are these considered hybrids? They're canids with some demonic features (mostly; I don't think Loona looks demonic at all, more goth than anything, but the show's lore says she's a demon irrespective of what she looks like), but I don't think that automatically makes them hybrids.

The demon tag is kind of sketchy as it is, much like alien it doesn't denote anything specific, it's just styled in a way that makes people say "demon" rather than any thing in specific. Houndoom is based on a dobermann_pinscher, with some built-in bone accessories, horns, and a spade tail. I wouldn't say it's a hybrid of anything; "demonic" looking perhaps, but I have trouble seeing it as a hybrid.

If you want to get rid of the tag, aliasing it to canid or demon may be better. There's also hellhound, which I wonder what the functional difference to canid_demon is (do people really see a distinction? broken apart, "hellhound", "hell"=demonic/demon "hound"=dog/canid, it basically means the same thing).

A hellhound is like a pegasus i.e: a winged horse, it's a feral with a mutated form found in mythology. I don't know if pegasus is a valid tag, but if it is I reckon hellhound should as well. I don't think hellhounds are demons either, they're flaming dogs who guard hell which is what Cerberus is most famous for.
On the other hand, canid_demon is set up to be a hybrid tag canid + demon, but I agree with you - I don't think Loona is a demon either, she barely looks like one in the first place which is granted thanks to her red sclera, so maybe that's fair for her. If we're gonna tag "demon", an unusual sclera/iris color combo or a red skin/fur with horns should be the set minimum, with additional body parts that are typical of demons, like horns, as an extra plus.
post #3976777 post #4041235
I haven't checked if those posts have the tag, but this is the set bare minimum before I would ever tag 'demon' on anything.

Also to my knowledge, all hybrid tags thus far have been aliased to hybrid. I don't believe anybody's supposed to alias these to any specific species. I don't know why, but that's not something I wanna think over.

zenith-pendragon said:
Here are some other demon-hybrid tags. Obviously not everything needs to be aliased away (such as sleep_paralysis_demon), but what should we do with them?

What's the functional difference between a demon and a paralysis demon anyway? While the paralysis demon appears to somebody while they're asleep, meanwhile a regular demon is a mythological creature, but for tagging purposes what is the difference? This tag has no wiki.

wolfmanfur said:
A hellhound is like a pegasus i.e: a winged horse, it's a feral with a mutated form found in mythology.

Though a pegasus has a specific design; a horse with feathered wings. A hellhound, in contrast, is just some kind of canid with nondescript demonic features. It can just be red eyes. Or it can just be a spade tail. Or it can just be fire breath. Or it can be three heads. Or it can be some combination of these or other elements. Perhaps some mythologies have more specific criteria for what counts as a hellhound vs a canid_demon, but I don't think that distinction is held strongly with its use here and the two seem largely interchangeable.

wolfmanfur said:
On the other hand, canid_demon is set up to be a hybrid tag canid + demon

"Demon" doesn't work like other species, which is part of the reason I'm not a huge fan of it. A character can't just be a demon without also being something else, like a dog, human(oid), tentacle monster, etc, since a demon by itself doesn't have a consistent visual identity. Two different characters can be a "demon" for completely different reasons with no overlap. IMO, the "demon" species tag is better thought of as a "demonic" tag, more of an adjective than a noun. So a canid_demon isn't so much a canid+demon hybrid, but a demonic-looking canid.