Do note that I hope not of stirring up any drama. As per the purpose of this forum, the point is to improve the tagging and keep it good. I want to avoid reporting the user for tagging abuse before seeing what the consensus is.

I came across this person's edits, which pretty much all consists of adding young to codyblue-731 posts. Now, from my perspective, this is frivolous, the situation to me being big_dom_small_sub coupled with the artist's style, not young. Maybe I'm missing some context?

Clicked on a post in that edit list at random and the first thing I saw was this:

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To which I'd say, if you can't see why that would be tagged young, that's a you problem.

andoefa said:
Do note that I hope not of stirring up any drama. As per the purpose of this forum, the point is to improve the tagging and keep it good. I want to avoid reporting the user for tagging abuse before seeing what the consensus is.

I came across this person's edits, which pretty much all consists of adding young to codyblue-731 posts. Now, from my perspective, this is frivolous, the situation to me being big_dom_small_sub coupled with the artist's style, not young. Maybe I'm missing some context?

I checked the posts and yup, most of them do need the tag. Body proportions alone hint at the characters being minors.

I concede to the difference in perspective for some, though I find it more than hard to believe for others. I just noticed that most of those were locked, so that appears to be the guideline, and that concerns me a bit: I can exclude this artist from getting affected by my blacklist, but if that's the general guideline, even if the more precise tags were used widely, I wouldn't be able to build a blacklist that follows what looks "young" to me then. Queue my argument that the tag wasn't applied for years on these posts to guess that many also see most of these as extra girly adults.

I imagine that it's favored for the tag to be applied rather than not to avoid any tiny risk of legal trouble, but that leaves the tagging system lacking in its purpose; teenager exists, but is excessively broad, with characters that are blatantly so and others I'd disagree on, and also lacking in how often it's applied, with I believe few users wanting to go through young -rating:s to tag it (prayers to the moderators/janitors/admins for suffering every single day). It doesn't help that young is aggressively aliased to collude many different notions.

This leaves a result of posts essentially disappearing (because adapting the blacklist isn't viable, these tags do exist for a reason) due to being ambiguous. I'm not sure if there's any solution to it, let alone one that doesn't cause even more disagreement.

It does seem like that user went a little excessive with their tagging, which is probably why some of those edits have been reverted without having the young tag locked onto them, but I agree with most of these. Some are a little... borderline... but it's probably best to err on the cautious side.

If the characters are canonically adults, the adult_(lore) tag can always be added. You could technically change your blacklist to young -rating:s -adult_(lore) to not include canonically adult characters in your blacklist, but it has the same problem where some of these look like blatant children and you probably still don't want to see them. It's also lacking in usage.

andoefa said:
I concede to the difference in perspective for some, though I find it more than hard to believe for others. I just noticed that most of those were locked, so that appears to be the guideline, and that concerns me a bit: I can exclude this artist from getting affected by my blacklist, but if that's the general guideline, even if the more precise tags were used widely, I wouldn't be able to build a blacklist that follows what looks "young" to me then. Queue my argument that the tag wasn't applied for years on these posts to guess that many also see most of these as extra girly adults.

I imagine that it's favored for the tag to be applied rather than not to avoid any tiny risk of legal trouble, but that leaves the tagging system lacking in its purpose; teenager exists, but is excessively broad, with characters that are blatantly so and others I'd disagree on, and also lacking in how often it's applied, with I believe few users wanting to go through young -rating:s to tag it (prayers to the moderators/janitors/admins for suffering every single day). It doesn't help that young is aggressively aliased to collude many different notions.

This leaves a result of posts essentially disappearing (because adapting the blacklist isn't viable, these tags do exist for a reason) due to being ambiguous. I'm not sure if there's any solution to it, let alone one that doesn't cause even more disagreement.

Notwithstanding wat's remark the artist either sucks at proportions or it is intentional.
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This character is a teenager at most if we go off proportions alone, it's easy to see from the length of her fingers to the very short arms. The elbow in this position should be above or nearly above the head in order to be an adult. The same logic applies to the legs which are sorta short and thick.

edt: this gets more obvious with some posts such as this wheee there are more than one character.
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andoefa said:
I concede to the difference in perspective for some, though I find it more than hard to believe for others. I just noticed that most of those were locked, so that appears to be the guideline, and that concerns me a bit: I can exclude this artist from getting affected by my blacklist, but if that's the general guideline, even if the more precise tags were used widely, I wouldn't be able to build a blacklist that follows what looks "young" to me then. Queue my argument that the tag wasn't applied for years on these posts to guess that many also see most of these as extra girly adults.

I imagine that it's favored for the tag to be applied rather than not to avoid any tiny risk of legal trouble, but that leaves the tagging system lacking in its purpose; teenager exists, but is excessively broad, with characters that are blatantly so and others I'd disagree on, and also lacking in how often it's applied, with I believe few users wanting to go through young -rating:s to tag it (prayers to the moderators/janitors/admins for suffering every single day). It doesn't help that young is aggressively aliased to collude many different notions.

This leaves a result of posts essentially disappearing (because adapting the blacklist isn't viable, these tags do exist for a reason) due to being ambiguous. I'm not sure if there's any solution to it, let alone one that doesn't cause even more disagreement.

If the artist states that these are adult characters, consider adding adult_(lore) to these images and then changing your blacklist to young -rating:s -adult_(lore). That's what I've got in mine and it works well for me as I'm not really bothered by potentially-young-looking but canonically adult characters.

Blacklisting young -adult_(lore) is not an option because most adult_(lore) posts are of the sort I wish to block by keeping young blacklisted in the first place. Not enough people tag adult_(lore) anyway and the need for official information makes it even more difficult. aged_down suffers from the same problems so one can't rely on blacklisting it. To me it seems there's no solution that satisfies everyone.