Is it me or has all of strype's art just been removed today? If anyone has an explanation, please explain?

takedown #3052

Strype wanted it gone.

Damn. I can't believe we've lost another great artist.

You'd think the problem would be the people using his images not the sites hosting the images, i mean the image could have been from anywhere could it not?

I don't get this. He took them down from here because people were using his art somewhere else and most of them were sourced back here. I hope he knows that people can still go on his FA to download and use his images.

TheHuskyK9 said:
I hope he knows that people can still go on his FA to download and use his images.

Maybe he thought that FA is down all the time and they can't.

TheHuskyK9 said:
I don't get this. He took them down from here because people were using his art somewhere else and most of them were sourced back here. I hope he knows that people can still go on his FA to download and use his images.

Wouldn't most of the reverse searches end up here since this is a pretty big image host and usually good art end up being posted here?

And since reverse google searches ignore FA wouldn't most likely that e621 be pointed even though the images could have been downloaded from his FA page?

Just_Another_Dragon said:
Wouldn't most of the reverse searches end up here since this is a pretty big image host and usually good art end up being posted here?

And since reverse google searches ignore FA wouldn't most likely that e621 be pointed even though the images could have been downloaded from his FA page?

If people know about this place, it's almost guaranteed that they know about FA also

https://e621.net/wiki/show?title=avoid_posting

He also placed himself on the avoid posting list

If he was uncomfortable in people using his art for roleplaying then he shouldn't put his art on the internet.

People will go to his FA and download it from there. It's not like losing his art from e621 is going to hurt the site considering there are plenty of better artists out there.

Damn, that's easily one of the biggest takedowns I've seen.

What an odd reason though.

parasprite said:
Damn, that's easily one of the biggest takedowns I've seen.

What an odd reason though.

I love Strype's art, both style and content, but I agree that he's... strangely sensitive about other people using his art for those kinda things.

Shame . . .

Ah well time to unsub him on FA

He does realize that it can still be taken from FA right? Or any site that doesn't care about the artist, like any other image board BUT e6. But yes, in all your wisdom, please remove it all from the site that would punish people being creepy with your art . . .

Genius ;o

Aww damn it

Meh, fuck 'em.

CamKitty said:
Shame . . .

Ah well time to unsub him on FA

He does realize that it can still be taken from FA right? Or any site that doesn't care about the artist, like any other image board BUT e6. But yes, in all your wisdom, please remove it all from the site that would punish people being creepy with your art . . .

Genius ;o

I wonder if he knows that role playing will get you banned here. :O

parasprite said:
I wonder if he knows that role playing will get you banned here. :O

Quite obviously not :o

Halite said:
Meh, fuck 'em.

No, don't fuck 'em. Why should this be rewarded with sex?

Ah...removed, huh? DANGIT.

So where else can we view this artist's works? FurAffinity? Where else?

Fapitalist said:
Ah...removed, huh? DANGIT.

So where else can we view this artist's works? FurAffinity? Where else?

Presumably FA and any other place that both accepts furry art and doesn't care about copyright.

I sent him a note on Furaffinity, and got a response fairly quickly. He understands that it's only a minority that's causing the problem, but that the minority that refuses to stop using his work always, always lists e621 as the source. I've sent him one more note about Conditional DNPs and Search Hidden posts, so we may yet see his work return, but it's up to him.

Wouldn't the e6 posts source to his FA anyway?

Not being a fan of huge-breasted females (or hyper-muscular characters), I am with Patchi and Halite on this one; I doubt I would have even noticed his absence had I not been browsing the forums.

Sharp_Coyote said:
Not being a fan of huge-breasted females (or hyper-muscular characters), I am with Patchi and Halite on this one; I doubt I would have even noticed his absence had I not been browsing the forums.

I like his combat scenes and sci fi stuff T_T

Furrin_Gok said:
I sent him a note on Furaffinity, and got a response fairly quickly. He understands that it's only a minority that's causing the problem, but that the minority that refuses to stop using his work always, always lists e621 as the source. I've sent him one more note about Conditional DNPs and Search Hidden posts, so we may yet see his work return, but it's up to him.

Well I certainly hope so, Strype was one of my favorite artists, style wise. I guess I'm lucky that I downloaded my favorites already so I could view them offline. Hopefully I won't have to go on a downloading/recovery spree. I never did find all of Ayame Emaya's stuff.

DragonItHome said:
Well I certainly hope so, Strype was one of my favorite artists, style wise. I guess I'm lucky that I downloaded my favorites already so I could view them offline. Hopefully I won't have to go on a downloading/recovery spree. I never did find all of Ayame Emaya's stuff.

Unfortunately, Strype says "It's already taken care of." If you want to locate and download his artwork, you will have to go to his gallery. Follow his rules, though! Don't use his images on public roleplays! (Probably don't use them as a public scene, or anything related, either, just to be safe)

Alright, I'll step up.

Yes, it was jackasses on RP sites that caused me to finally choose to have my stuff taken down. I took a long while to mull it over, cuz honestly, while it wasnt me posting any of my stuff here, I certainly didn't mind. I like this place, and I'm glad it's here as an archive and as a place to display my work. But as it was stated here before, the RPers always sourced from here. I still have yet to find one that sourced from my FA page. Hell, half of them didn't even realize I had one.

The reason I get beefed about the RPers is because when I'm drawing something, it's usually commissioned work of peoples characters, often fursonas, and almost always characters that their owners have a strong love for, and on the RP sites they often become little more than two-dimensional fucktoys, something I find repulsive and disrespectful. Most of the time when I tell other peeps about their characters being used this way they share my feelings about it. Honestly, it's a dick thing to do, but in the RP community, that doesn't seem to click in people's heads. Even after letting people know this, there's a few who respond with "so what?" and keep doing it. It's intensely frustrating.

So, after lots of investigation, and finding that E621 was (very unfortunately) the literal source of my problems, I decided to resolve that problem. I haven't had any problems since, so it seems my solution worked. Nobody ever seems to steal from my FA page.

This wasn't a shot at E621. As I said, I like you guys. If there was some way of preventing people from linking back to here or saving images from here, I'd likely reverse my decision and let my stuff get posted here again with those provisions. but until that can happen, I'm afraid my decision stands

The-Real-Strype said:
Nobody ever seems to steal from my FA page.

What happens when they figure out you have an FA page? I count 180 images immediately available. Does "sourced" mean image tags on RP sites loaded the image data directly from e621? If not and the images are still appearing on RP sites, why not just take the tact of a recent takedown posted here:

In case no actions are taken we are going to initiate the process of domain name termination through ICANN and null-route all your upstream fibers located in the USA.

The-Real-Strype said:
[things]

Damn, people suck...This is why we can't have nice things...

Lance_Armstrong said:
What happens when they figure out you have an FA page? I count 180 images immediately available. Does "sourced" mean image tags on RP sites loaded the image data directly from e621? If not and the images are still appearing on RP sites, why not just take the tact of a recent takedown posted here:

Because that was a laughably bad scare tactic. That process takes months at least, our hoster would tell them to directly contact us through email and even then are we not even directly connected, we run through cloudflare.

Never mind that a good chunk of the stuff they linked isn't copyrighted to HTH-studios, but was fan art, and thus they have no legal power over it.

Also, that rp site is most likely f-list, and while they do have a takedown process it's a bit more complicated than ours, although Dave is working to make it easier for all.

NBD. Artists flip out and pull all their artwork from the internet all the time for silly reasons. That being said, I think what I'm going to do is just download and archive all of Strype's current art in case he goes the "DELETE EVERYTHING BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE USING MY ART THE WRONG WAY" route with his FurAffinity, too.

@Catachan Don't worry, I don't intend on leaving FA, it's where my business is, and I kinda need a steady stream of commissions to keep a roof over my head. Archiving just in case FA has a coronary and never comes back, though, is a fairly smart move.

@NotMeNotYou you're right about the takedowns on F-List. I can actually do a takedown super-easy on F-List, but it still didnt stop me finding 3 people on average every day using my work without permission, and there's no way for them to prevent it being uploaded in the first place. As long as my stuff was on E621, there would always be a steady stream of thefts.

And even if I went to through the trouble of DMCAing F-List and SOMEHOW nuking the place to dust in the process, the community is still there, and they'd simply start anew somewhere else. And demolishing entire websites to ruin people's fun for a little while is not my intent.

Strype is being very sincere here, just an fyi. I sent a few notes back and forth over the last few days to figure out what their feelings were on this matter, and this really is a beneficial action for them. I covered the "what about the future?" angle(along with the pros of using e621 to their advantage), and Strype is very much aware and motivated to continue creating for at least the next decade.(and longer, according to them.)

I still took that with a grain of salt, but the amount of respect Strype has for his commissioners and his characters is exceptional. I asked if I may quote him in this thread, which then prompted him to respond himself.

Strype was consistently patient, respectful, aware of their own position, and able to counter many-- in fact almost all-- of my concerns. He took the time to respond to me even though I was very blunt with my opinions and concerns. I think that one thing you should take away from this is: Even if Strype disappears, you'll eventually get over it. You'll find other stuff to fill whatever habitual role their art played, and you'd be very much satisfied with other options available.

Strype is doing his own thing, and I think that's pretty cool. I'm not worse off because of this. I'm completely satisfied with his motivations. If those affected take a moment to remove themselves from their own opinions and observe the bigger picture, this is totally not a big deal.

urxa said:
Strype is being very sincere here, just an fyi. I sent a few notes back and forth over the last few days to figure out what their feelings were on this matter, and this really is a beneficial action for them. I covered the "what about the future?" angle(along with the pros of using e621 to their advantage), and Strype is very much aware and motivated to continue creating for at least the next decade.(and longer, according to them.)

I still took that with a grain of salt, but the amount of respect Strype has for his commissioners and his characters is exceptional. I asked if I may quote him in this thread, which then prompted him to respond himself.

Strype was consistently patient, respectful, aware of their own position, and able to counter many-- in fact almost all-- of my concerns. He took the time to respond to me even though I was very blunt with my opinions and concerns. I think that one thing you should take away from this is: Even if Strype disappears, you'll eventually get over it. You'll find other stuff to fill whatever habitual role their art played, and you'd be very much satisfied with other options available.

Strype is doing his own thing, and I think that's pretty cool. I'm not worse off because of this. I'm completely satisfied with his motivations. If those affected take a moment to remove themselves from their own opinions and observe the bigger picture, this is totally not a big deal.

THANK YOU!

This is a minor thing. If you wanna see my work, it's over on Furaffinity. If FA vanishes, then I'll move to wherever else I need to go to keep doing business. I have no intention of leaving the fandom or anything of the sort, cuz I both love it and have made it my livelihood.

People didn't respect my wishes when I said I didn't want my stuff being used for RPs, out of respect for my commissioners wishes as well as my own. So this was the next logical step.

The-Real-Strype said:

People didn't respect my wishes when I said I didn't want my stuff being used for RPs, out of respect for my commissioners wishes as well as my own. So this was the next logical step.

Respecting commissioners or not, it definitely wouldn't be as bad if most frequent roleplayers weren't so terrible at roleplaying.

Good luck with your endeavors by the way, I can't imagine this was an easy decision to make.

It's quite bothersome when people ignore the artist's wishes, but looking at it now it might have been our fault for not actually leaving on the descriptions that they shouldn't be used for RP although it still wouldn't guarantee people from not using them.

Well i just hope people actually respect your wishes.

Catachan said:
NBD. Artists flip out and pull all their artwork from the internet all the time for silly reasons. That being said, I think what I'm going to do is just download and archive all of Strype's current art in case he goes the "DELETE EVERYTHING BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE USING MY ART THE WRONG WAY" route with his FurAffinity, too.

Way too many people on the internet use art for illicit things and should be booted for it.

Back in the day, this site started out pretty much just ripping off art from FA and telling anyone who had a problem with it to fuck off. It got the original owner of the site totally fucked over eventually, of course.

Just goes to show you that disrespecting enough content creators will catch up to you sooner or later.

Ozelot said:
Way too many people on the internet use art for illicit things and should be booted for it.

Back in the day, this site started out pretty much just ripping off art from FA and telling anyone who had a problem with it to fuck off. It got the original owner of the site totally fucked over eventually, of course.

Just goes to show you that disrespecting enough content creators will catch up to you sooner or later.

That was a small part of it. In 2007, a person named "insanekangaroo" sued the site and made false claims that the site was hosting child porn. Eventually, he shut down the site and left the site to collect dust. Varka to ownership of the site three years later and made it what it is today. All hail Varka!

Strype, your comments always leave me with more questions :(

I'll leave it be, though. People who do manage to locate some of your art and go googling for it will end up finding this thread, and learn of your gallery that way, which may net you some commisions you wouldn't have gotten through standard old source links.

The-Real-Strype said:
@NotMeNotYou you're right about the takedowns on F-List. I can actually do a takedown super-easy on F-List, but it still didnt stop me finding 3 people on average every day using my work without permission, and there's no way for them to prevent it being uploaded in the first place. As long as my stuff was on E621, there would always be a steady stream of thefts.

What you don't seem to understand is the internet doesn't like when it gets censored.

No matter what you do, people will always use your art without your permission. You can't stop that, plus even if they had your permission what difference would it make "Oh well at least I told them they could do it"

Genius move really, free advertising for your work on sites where profile pictures mean a lot. I know many times I've only found good artists cause I asked about someones profile pic. Really you're doing nothing but killing your business by doing this.

Recognize that anyone who wants to use your art for RP sites and shit already has your stuff downloaded, and will probably use it somewhere else if they're not allowed to in the site you found them on. Fuck I remember one time I got my profile pic removed from Chatango so I just cropped it out by like 1 pixel and they let me use it again.

It's pretty useless.

But go ahead and kill some free advertising, sounds like a great idea to me.

Personal opinion on RP sites using your pics =/= money coming in from commissions.

EDIT: Putting up your stuff in FA won't change a thing, people can still download your stuff and use it for whatever they want. News flash, there is no difference.

Everyone in this thread said:
subjective opinions

17 U.S.C. § 107] allows copyrighted material to be used where it may otherwise infringe upon the copyright under certain circumstances. There is a strong case for the "fair use" of this artwork in roleplaying profiles, mainly due to the facts that the artwork is not used for profit, is used primarily for personal reasons, and the artist is usually properly attributed.Regardless of the actual legality, though, it's still good practice to pull artwork upon the artist's request. Strype gets his paycheck mostly from commissions, and people who pay large amounts of money for porno cartoons of their pretendy fun time alter egos tend to throw temper tantrums whenever another person uses these pretendy fun time alter ego porno cartoons in ways they disagree with. This line of histrionic thinking is even immortalized as a meme,] so there is precedent.In practice, drama queens throwing temper tantrums cannot be successfully persuaded that they are objectively making a big deal out of nothing, and they also tend to not be willing to shell out hundreds of dollars for their porno cartoons while making a big deal out of nothing, so appropriating said porno cartoons for one's own pretendy fun time characters is bad business for artists who actually depend on drama queen porno cartoon money to survive.tl;dr: Given the choice between embarking upon a crusade against furry drama queens and not using artwork you don't have permission to use, I'd choose the latter, even if there is nothing stopping you from doing otherwise.

Catachan said:
17 U.S.C. § 107] allows copyrighted material to be used where it may otherwise infringe upon the copyright under certain circumstances. There is a strong case for the "fair use" of this artwork in roleplaying profiles, mainly due to the facts that the artwork is not used for profit, is used primarily for personal reasons, and the artist is usually properly attributed.Regardless of the actual legality, though, it's still good practice to pull artwork upon the artist's request. Strype gets his paycheck mostly from commissions, and people who pay large amounts of money for porno cartoons of their pretendy fun time alter egos tend to throw temper tantrums whenever another person uses these pretendy fun time alter ego porno cartoons in ways they disagree with. This line of histrionic thinking is even immortalized as a meme,] so there is precedent.In practice, drama queens throwing temper tantrums cannot be successfully persuaded that they are objectively making a big deal out of nothing, and they also tend to not be willing to shell out hundreds of dollars for their porno cartoons while making a big deal out of nothing, so appropriating said porno cartoons for one's own pretendy fun time characters is bad business for artists who actually depend on drama queen porno cartoon money to survive.tl;dr: Given the choice between embarking upon a crusade against furry drama queens and not using artwork you don't have permission to use, I'd choose the latter, even if there is nothing stopping you from doing otherwise.

Calling them drama-queens is pretty disingenuous when they are the ones who either paid or did the work for that artwork to exist for anybody to use in the first place. The ones who just take that shit without asking are essentially parasites and freeloaders.

All of this would be solvable if one day tech advances enough that the supply of copies of an image can be limited some how based on some kind of hard-coding. This would make digital art excludable and a right-to-own sort of thing that would make it more reflect the private goods section of the economy. Great for actual content-creators, bad for free riding parasites.

Ozelot said:
All of this would be solvable if one day tech advances enough that the supply of copies of an image can be limited some how based on some kind of hard-coding. This would make digital art excludable and a right-to-own sort of thing that would make it more reflect the private goods section of the economy. Great for actual content-creators, bad for free riding parasites.

There will never be a perfect DRM system, information can be copied without losing the original, and that will be true until the heat death of the universe.
Anything digital, or any other sort of knowledge or information, is not dependent on any sort of material or physically tangible object, since it's an abstract, and can thus be recreated with sticks, pebbles, LED's, paper or anything else.

Also, everybody cut down on snide remarks or this thread will get locked real quick.
I'm specifically looking at you, Catachan.

Cutedementia said:
EDIT: Putting up your stuff in FA won't change a thing, people can still download your stuff and use it for whatever they want. News flash, there is no difference.

People don't use Strype's art because strype made it, they use it because it reflects whatever character they want to roleplay as.
And good luck finding properly tagged shit on FA if you want to roleplay as a white wolf (just as an example).
Char has said that years ago, people come to us to find characters they can roleplay as because they are able to find what they want in a very short time, unlike on FA.

NotMeNotYou said:
There will never be a perfect DRM system, information can be copied without losing the original, and that will be true until the heat death of the universe.
Anything digital, or any other sort of knowledge or information, is not dependent on any sort of material or physically tangible object, since it's an abstract, and can thus be recreated with sticks, pebbles, LED's, paper or anything else.

Perfect? Hmm... Probably not. But just because a perfect system won't be invented doesn't mean there will never be an effective one.

Seems to me that current technology company giants are very interested in that, as they greatly value the power of excludability and scarcity to make them even more money in the free market. Loads of money isn't made very effectively by making things freely and publicly available for all, after all.

Ozelot said:
Perfect? Hmm... Probably not. But just because a perfect system won't be invented doesn't mean there will never be an effective one.

If a human can see it, so can a camera. If a human can hear it, so can a microphone. I'm interested to hear how you propose to close the analog hole.

Ozelot said:
Perfect? Hmm... Probably not. But just because a perfect system won't be invented doesn't mean there will never be an effective one.

Seems to me that current technology company giants are very interested in that, as they greatly value the power of excludability and scarcity to make them even more money in the free market. Loads of money isn't made very effectively by making things freely and publicly available for all, after all.

Every single DRM can and will be defeated, this has been an ongoing battle for 4 decades now and every single DRM ever created has been cracked.

They probably manage to make it harder, but by definition it will be possible.

If DRM is a lock, no matter how fancy, as long as there is a normal key to open this lock, it will be possible to open it through a 3rd party, either by perfect replication of the original key, or by other means.
The only lock that isn't going to be able to be cracked is one that can't open, but that means that nobody will be able to reach what's inside even normally.

Cutedementia said:
What you don't seem to understand is...

You're greatly underestimating the degree to which Strype understands your position, and you're shooting yourself in the foot by failing to restrain your emotions. This isn't some drama lama pulling their artwork in an emotional reaction, this is an artist sticking to their principles and taking care of a longstanding problem, while also being informed of the positive and negative consequences.

NotMeNotYou said:
People don't use Strype's art because strype made it, they use it because it reflects whatever character they want to roleplay as.
And good luck finding properly tagged shit on FA if you want to roleplay as a white wolf (just as an example).
Char has said that years ago, people come to us to find characters they can roleplay as because they are able to find what they want in a very short time, unlike on FA.

That's exactly it. More people need to understand that the differences between FA and e621 may be summed up as "Accessibility". In my earlier notes:

One reason we have to upload your work there instead of just linking people to your own source is that FA protects its users from both hotlinks and unregistered users. This effectively locks most works behind a temporary but very real buffer. The former would be why those RP have to use e621(The fact that they lack the ability or maturity to create their own original content notwithstanding). The latter is why people like me use the site, because of its tagging system.[sic]

I messed up my wording at the end, but others can surely understand what I mean. Being able to take control of an image's tags and allow the community to self regulate the tagging standards is a key difference that greatly limits the amount of time spent searching for a subject or feature. On FA, you cannot reliably search because artists are in control of their tags. Strype appears to do a decent job of tagging his own works, but FA has several other features that negatively affect the browsing experience.

It's natural for people that want simplicity to choose e621 over FA. Strype gets it, okay? He still chose to do this for reasons of his own, that we should frankly respect, even if you, like me, disagree with the outcome in some way. It's not important enough in the grand scheme of things to really get frazzled over. Just about all of his works are still accessible with an FA account, he doesn't appear to put things behind a paywall, and he has an apparent drive to continue producing content.

Everybody should just take a chill pill. Maybe cook yourself a nice meal or take a pleasant bath instead of trying to react negatively to this situation.

Hmm

Ozelot said:
Calling them drama-queens is pretty disingenuous when they are the ones who either paid or did the work for that artwork to exist for anybody to use in the first place. The ones who just take that shit without asking are essentially parasites and freeloaders.

They're drama queens because when given the choice between "don't get mad at people appropriating cartoon porn for pretendy fun time games" and "get mad at people appropriating cartoon porn for pretendy fun time games" they choose the latter.

Whether or not people subjectively consider it justified is irrelevant; making a big deal out of something that isn't a big deal is one of the definitions of stirring up drama, and since you are definitely not going to change that attitude, the best way for an artist to avoid their dramatic pissy fits (and still obtain commissions from them) is to simply scream "DMCA" at whoever decides to perform said pretendy fun time game cartoon porn appropriation.

Also, I'm just saying, the last time I heard a guy refer to people who want to use things for free as "parasites", he ended up taking a golf club to the head.

I'm honestly not even going to argue with somebody that subjectively thinks that an artist wanting to have reign over their own creations is "mad and having an angry dramatic pissy fit."

I'm no stranger to troll logic, but that's just too obvious.

Ozelot said:
I'm honestly not even going to argue with somebody that subjectively thinks that an artist wanting to have reign over their own creations is "mad and having an angry dramatic pissy fit."

I'm no stranger to troll logic, but that's just too obvious.

You didn't actually read the post, did you? Here, I'll explain it in a way you can understand.

1. Alice pays Bob to create artwork of her character.
2. Bob draws Alice's character and publishes it on a public image site.
3. Charlie saves the image for his own personal use, against Alice's wishes.
4. Alice decides to get mad over this. She complains to Bob, who owns the account used to publish the image he created. She will not pay Bob for any future artwork if he does not take action against Charlie.
5. In order to continue receiving money from Alice, Bob must take action against Charlie.
6. Charlie's copy of the image is removed.
7. Alice is placated and continues to commission Bob's artwork.

Since Alice will not change her stance on people using her character art, and Charlie will not change his stance on using other people's art, the only possible outcome that will satisfy all parties involved is for Bob to have the artwork removed from public view so that this scenario cannot occur in the first place. Alice will be content to share her character art privately among her friends, Bob will have his paycheck, and Charlie will find someone else's art to use.

This is why Strype removed his art from e621. It's not a perfect solution, but it removes one layer of publicity and reduces the chance for outsiders to appropriate his artwork.

I mostly agree with Catachan. I doubt a fair use exemption for directly copying images to fap to along with text would survive a legal challenge... fanfiction/parody isn't that blatant and the courts fuck it over all the time. "Bob" also finds this "repulsive and disrespectful", not just Alice Moneybags.

The idea of getting mad or nuking everything over this RPing is just alien to me, but it is Strype's art, livelihood, and intellectual property rights. Also, the art may have been uploaded here without Strype's permission in the first place, and he let that slide until now. (can't tell if true)

Too bad e621 isn't the artist money machine that FA is, because I am not touching that place with a 10 foot dong.

Lance_Armstrong said:
Also, the art may have been uploaded here without Strype's permission in the first place, and he let that slide until now. (can't tell if true)

Strype has said that he never uploaded any of his art here. There was most likely no privilege granted, and it was merely ignored until now. From his language that would probably be a safe assumption.

Another example that I see these days of art getting ripped off is these "tumblr blogs" where some blog creator, all they do is post the most popular furry porn they can find and stick ad-links all over the place. They literally don't make anything of their own at all, they just profit off ad-revenue by taking artist's work and not crediting back to them. They also pretty much never pick anything but the most famous and "shiny" popular artists out there. They DIRECTLY make money by stealing somebody else's work and all they do is cross-post.

But any time an artist would even suggest they might put something like ads, censors, monetizing, or pay-walls over their work and people go insane with accusations of "greed" "selling out" and "dramawhoring."

It is indeed a safe assumption. I never uploaded a single pixel to this site. The artwork was put up here by my fans, and in some cases, the actual commissioners of the images themselves. I just let it slide cuz it was free publicity.

Catachan was correct. There is no possible way for me to prevent my work from being used outright, and it'd be ridiculous to think otherwise, but by removing my work from here I intended to, and succeeded in, reducing the chance of outsiders using my work to their own ends. My work has all but vanished in new accounts on F-list (I've caught one or two since the removal, whereas it used to be on average 3 per day that I would find), and nobody's reported any incidents anywhere else since, either.

As was discussed above, there's no such thing as perfect DRM, and any sufficiently motivated individual will be able to crack any file or security system to get what they're after. I simply made the process of taking my art and using it for RP a degree more difficult (which isn't saying much, cuz it's still stupidly easy, but people are surprisingly lazy, especially when they've got access to SO MUCH OTHER MATERIAL they can yank from the pile that this method has actually caused such a marked effect on my art being used)

The-Real-Strype said:

I simply made the process of taking my art and using it for RP a degree more difficult (which isn't saying much, cuz it's still stupidly easy, but people are surprisingly lazy, especially when they've got access to SO MUCH OTHER MATERIAL they can yank from the pile that this method has actually caused such a marked effect on my art being used)

I'm both glad and surprised that it actually worked out well for you. People must be even lazier than I thought.

parasprite said:
People must be even lazier than I thought.

The internet is 95% filled with lazy dudes

TheHuskyK9 said:
The internet is 95% filled with lazy dudes

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Lance_Armstrong said:
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Was going to cite it for you but I'll leave it for later...

The-Real-Strype said:
My work has all but vanished in new accounts on F-list (I've caught one or two since the removal, whereas it used to be on average 3 per day that I would find), and nobody's reported any incidents anywhere else since, either.

If you're seriously putting this much time into stalking RP sites for your pictures, you need to refocus your priorities. You're being ridiculous.

Just as easy to get your pics off FA then off E6, and a month from now when people notice that, you're gana see a climb in your pics again. You're gana have another pissy fit and remove your art from the internet all together because "I don't want people playing pretend games with my pretend characters"

Hilarious motivation really. But if anyone asks me where to get some good pics for their RP profiles, I got nearly all your stuff on file, let alone links.

But it's okay to be delusional, you'll only lose the respect of like 1/4 the furry fandom if not half for being so dramatic about this.

Speaking of the furry fandom: Here's a picture of the chat site I use. And two of the profiles I highlight are new as of 1-2 days ago.

http://i.imgur.com/vH1fXKd.png

Ok, enough with the rudeness. If he wanted to take his stuff down, no matter what reason, that's his decision.

TheHuskyK9 said:
Ok, enough with the rudeness. If he wanted to take his stuff down, no matter what reason, that's his decision.

Cutedementia said:
Yea I really shouldn't browse forums when I'm angry

parasprite said:
This'll make you rage.

No stop, it's too much!

e621 is simply a victim of its own success in this case. F-list makes it obvious that there's a lot of furries out there that depend on e621 and use it very heavily. This is evident by the fact that the number of occurrences of Strype's artwork on F-list has plummeted ever since its removal from e621. He figured out what the problem was, and fixed it.

He makes it clear that it wasn't something he wanted to do, and I'd absolutely do the same if I were in his situation. His artwork, featuring his commissioners' characters, were constantly appearing as "references" for "characters" on an explicit RP site. This obviously bothered many of his commissioners and Strype himself, and going after the site where the infringement was occurring was not solving the problem. With pressure from (and a sense of responsibility to) his commissioners, it's a pretty reasonable move on his part to have his art removed from e621, particularly since he has no real need to have his art on e621 to begin with. Why let the problem persist with no apparent benefit that would be lost?

He made the right call. And since both F-list and e621 are owned by the same company, it's very much in their interests to make sure that the actions of one site aren't ultimately hurting the other site. Probably going to take a while to fix, but I doubt it's something they'll ignore.

Char said:
He made the right call. And since both F-list and e621 are owned by the same company, it's very much in their interests to make sure that the actions of one site aren't ultimately hurting the other site. Probably going to take a while to fix, but I doubt it's something they'll ignore.

That being said, this is one way. E6 doing what it does well helped them sure, but them being shitty and lazy at controlling what they do cost us a great artist.

Seems like F-list needs to get it's shit together so it doesn't bring it's sister site down with laziness

CamKitty said:
That being said, this is one way. E6 doing what it does well helped them sure, but them being shitty and lazy at controlling what they do cost us a great artist.

Seems like F-list needs to get it's shit together so it doesn't bring it's sister site down with laziness

F-List does have its shit together. Takedown requests aren't handled any quicker over here, it takes time for the admins to review the legitimacy of the claims; if they automated it, then trolls could request everything get taken down, and then nobody enjoys themselves.

Furrin_Gok said:
F-List does have its shit together. Takedown requests aren't handled any quicker over here, it takes time for the admins to review the legitimacy of the claims; if they automated it, then trolls could request everything get taken down, and then nobody enjoys themselves.

Although I agree that takedowns are handled well over there (I've actually made one myself and had a reply in less than a day. Quite good if you ask me), I think the problem is that they need a way to premptively keep people from posting art that has been taken down. Something like e6's DNP list. Since f-list isn't a boouro though, I'm not sure if it'd be an easy thing to implement.

On a more lighthearted note, how did it feel to have your art be /b/'s 100m get?

@Catachan I shit you not, I got threats of bodily harm, vandalism, and professional sabotage. Even more hilarious is the dumbasses had the wrong address the whole time that they "hacked from a government database". Funniest shit ever.

@Furrin gok and @Tokaido, you're correct about F-list, they've got their shit together as best as they can, and the process is so quick that submitting a ticket and having work taken down can happen in mere minutes, and in some cases I filed tickets with dozens of profiles I found during a search. But they don't have a DNP nor any mechanism to enforce it, nor would it really be possible either, meaning I'd ALWAYS have to go searching and there would always be new ones. @Char is completely on the money.

Catachan said:
On a more lighthearted note, how did it feel to have your art be /b/'s 100m get?

Hah! I had no idea. That's hilarious xD

The-Real-Strype said:
@Catachan I shit you not, I got threats of bodily harm, vandalism, and professional sabotage...

But that's less hilarious, and more irritating :/ I still can't understand why people get so heated over such little things. I'm glad you were able to take it with a grain of salt and get a bit of a laugh though

The-Real-Strype said:
Alright, I'll step up.

Yes, it was jackasses on RP sites that caused me to finally choose to have my stuff taken down. I took a long while to mull it over, cuz honestly, while it wasnt me posting any of my stuff here, I certainly didn't mind. I like this place, and I'm glad it's here as an archive and as a place to display my work. But as it was stated here before, the RPers always sourced from here. I still have yet to find one that sourced from my FA page. Hell, half of them didn't even realize I had one.

The reason I get beefed about the RPers is because when I'm drawing something, it's usually commissioned work of peoples characters, often fursonas, and almost always characters that their owners have a strong love for, and on the RP sites they often become little more than two-dimensional fucktoys, something I find repulsive and disrespectful. Most of the time when I tell other peeps about their characters being used this way they share my feelings about it. Honestly, it's a dick thing to do, but in the RP community, that doesn't seem to click in people's heads. Even after letting people know this, there's a few who respond with "so what?" and keep doing it. It's intensely frustrating.

So, after lots of investigation, and finding that E621 was (very unfortunately) the literal source of my problems, I decided to resolve that problem. I haven't had any problems since, so it seems my solution worked. Nobody ever seems to steal from my FA page.

This wasn't a shot at E621. As I said, I like you guys. If there was some way of preventing people from linking back to here or saving images from here, I'd likely reverse my decision and let my stuff get posted here again with those provisions. but until that can happen, I'm afraid my decision stands

It doesn't matter to me if you reply or not, but I'm going to throw in my 2 cents.
While I do agree with you on finding it disrespectful Roleplaying as fucktoys with somebody elses commissioned artwork of a Fursona/whatever of a character they love, I also agree that if people wanted to use that character THAT badly, they'd just take it from your FA.
At the same time, you've gotta realize that if they were willing to take it only for RP purposes, they didn't care about the artist to begin with, and anybody who did care would have come to the E621 page that they were linked, wondered who the artist was, find the Source, and go to your FA. Anybody willing to just take the image and use it for that RP never cared and are never going to. Besides that, those people probably arn't going to delete what they just took and continue using it, so the problem isn't solved in any way, you're kind of just taking away a type of "advertisement" to attract people to your FA. I mean, sure, there's probably people on here who just make an account and favorite your stuff so that they can get one off later on, but that's still probably just as bad as somebody taking the image and Roleplaying with it. But it's still a type of advertisement because I'm sure there's a whole bunch of people on this website that actually go to the Sources and +watch people, or favorite their work, or support them and whatnot.
While I do wish you would give E621 permission back to post your work, because this is where I go to to find a lot of good artists and artwork(It's honestly how I found your FA), obviously, I can't change your mind. In the end I'm with you on your decision and your reasoning for it and will continue to follow your FA page for more work. I hope that in the end Strype artwork will be back on E621 in no time, but even if it's not I'm sure you'll still have plenty of success and I'll probably end up commissioning from you sometime in the future to support you.

Furries putting the source as "e621" is like anyone else putting image credits as "Google Images"

All it means is they don't give a crap about crediting, or don't understand it, and they're just putting the name of the place they found the picture. The reason you see these careless people putting "e621" more than "FA" or "Weasyl" is the same reason you see credits to "Google Images" more than "Bing Photos" or "Flikr": e621 is simply the easiest and best known place to search for and find furry art, just like Google Images is the easiest and best known place to find every other kind of image.

So yeah, you can take your art off e621 if you want, just like you can easily stop Google from indexing your site, but understand that you're alienating a lot of fans and making your art hard to find for everyone, not just the people who use your art in ways you don't like. It's not that those people in particular find your art most often through e621, everyone finds your art most often through e621.