The tag alias #63227 dragon_on_dragon -> intraspecies has been rejected.

Reason: Redundant, and species-specific pairings aren't tagged.

Other dragon_on_* tags should also be removed, though these can't be aliased in the same way.

EDIT: The tag alias dragon_on_dragon -> intraspecies (forum #368872) has been approved by @gattonero2001.

EDIT: The tag alias dragon_on_dragon -> intraspecies (forum #368872) has been rejected by @gattonero2001.

taggin-dragon said:
The tag alias #63227 dragon_on_dragon -> intraspecies has been rejected.
Other dragon_on_* tags should also be removed, though these can't be aliased in the same way.

Why not? :0
Dragon_on_anthro, etc. does mean there is a dragon involved. Or should it alias to anthro instead?

cloudpie said:
Why not? :0
Dragon_on_anthro, etc. does mean there is a dragon involved. Or should it alias to anthro instead?

That's the problem taggin-dragon noticed. Should dragon_on_anthro (etc.) alias to dragon or anthro (etc.)? Both are equally valid targets but we can only alias a tag to one other tag.

clawstripe said:
That's the problem taggin-dragon noticed. Should dragon_on_anthro (etc.) alias to dragon or anthro (etc.)? Both are equally valid targets but we can only alias a tag to one other tag.

I'd argue that they're not both _equally_ valid, one alias result is way more annoying in the long term.

we really should avoid aliasing stuff like this to not the first word in the tag it totally fucks up the quick tag menu. I can't think of any good reason that when typing "fer" into the search or tag box feral is seven options down the list and when you typed in "feral_" literally none of the things on the list have any relation to feral. it makes tagging more annoying, it makes searching less intuitive, and it makes tag discovery more difficult.

Shouldn't this be aliased to, like, intraspecies?

votp said:
Shouldn't this be aliased to, like, intraspecies?

With dragon_on_[insert species/form here] aliased to interspecies? That's probably the best way to go.

The tag alias dragon_on_dragon -> intraspecies (forum #368872) has been approved by @gattonero2001.

Aliased to intraspecies instead since it's more likely to be undertagged

gattonero2001 said:
Aliased to intraspecies instead since it's more likely to be undertagged

What about different species of dragons? "Dragon" is not a very strongly defined creature, with many very morphological differences in depictions that can be taken as different "species" (eastern dragon vs wyvern vs space dragon vs western dragon for example). Aliasing to intraspecies can cause mistags when used for different species of dragons, or when it's for a dragon physically on another dragon without sexual/romantic activity, while aliasing to dragon can't. I would also agree with what darryus said:

darryus said:
we really should avoid aliasing stuff like this to not the first word in the tag it totally fucks up the quick tag menu. I can't think of any good reason that when typing "fer" into the search or tag box feral is seven options down the list and when you typed in "feral_" literally none of the things on the list have any relation to feral. it makes tagging more annoying, it makes searching less intuitive, and it makes tag discovery more difficult.

I would request this be undone and aliasing it to dragon as originally requested.

I'll again lament that votes aren't removed when a request is changed, since I don't agree with this but I can't change my upvote to a downvote now since it's already accepted.

The tag alias dragon_on_dragon -> intraspecies (forum #368872) has been rejected by @gattonero2001.

watsit said:
What about different species of dragons? "Dragon" is not a very strongly defined creature, with many very morphological differences in depictions that can be taken as different "species" (eastern dragon vs wyvern vs space dragon vs western dragon for example).

I initially assumed that "dragon" could be considered a single species, like "wolf" or "tiger", but in retrospect eastern and western dragons are indeed different enough that it's closer to "canid" or "felid". Thanks for pointing that out

I think the better solution would be for aliased tags to be suppressed somehow in the tag search suggestions. Like, they shouldn’t show up at all unless there are few enough valid tags above a certain post count threshold.

scaliespe said:
I think the better solution would be for aliased tags to be suppressed somehow in the tag search suggestions. Like, they shouldn’t show up at all unless there are few enough valid tags above a certain post count threshold.

but we still want misspelling, name localization, artist name change, identical definition, and shortcut aliases to show up on the list, those are all useful to have show up alongside the normal matching tags. the only things we want to get rid of are the semi-invalidation tag aliases.
the only solution I can see beside changing the alias targets to match the first word would be to somehow have a way to mark certain aliases for suppression.

darryus said:
but we still want misspelling, name localization, artist name change, identical definition, and shortcut aliases to show up on the list, those are all useful to have show up alongside the normal matching tags. the only things we want to get rid of are the semi-invalidation tag aliases.
the only solution I can see beside changing the alias targets to match the first word would be to somehow have a way to mark certain aliases for suppression.

Not necessarily. My suggestion was not to hide them completely, but make it so that they only show up when there aren’t as many other valid results. So you’ll have to type in more letters before the aliases show up.
For example, typing dragon won’t show the dragon_on_dragon -> dragon alias because there are already plenty of other valid and highly populated tags that start with dragon. But once you get to dragon_o, it’ll show up because there’s not much else there.

I once made the suggestion to split the suggestion list. To have a set amount of non-aliased tag suggestions at the top of the list, a separator line, followed by a set amount of aliased tag suggestions. The fewer non-aliased suggestions there are, the more aliased suggestions you get, and vice-versa. That way you always get at least a certain amount of the top non-alias tag suggestions, and the top aliased tag suggestions, even if one would otherwise crowd out the other. So for example, if you type luc, the suggestion list would be something like:

lucario
lucky pierre
luckypan
luck (animancer)
---------
lucachu -> hybrid
lucent nargacuga -> nargacuga
lucoa (dragon maid) -> quetzalcoatl (dragon maid)
lucky dragoness -> zafara (artist)

Even though there are plenty of other non-aliased tags starting with luc, you still see the top aliases. It also keeps aliased results separate from non-aliased tags instead of mixing them together, and ensures what you type matches the top-most tags, instead of popular generic tags like hybrid always getting the top suggestion because something obscure was aliased to it that happens to start with the same letters you're typing.