So within the last 5-6 months, but exponentially more since FA's big 'what is considered cub' change, I've been seeing a lot of people just mass tag changing pictures on ANYTHING that resembles short characters. Cats, kobolds, pokemon (non baby), dogs, etc. Doesn't matter if it's adult lore, if the image has obviously defined adult boobs, if the image itself has an age in it, or even if it's on FA after the mass change recently, people will see short character and just give it an instant cub/young/teen tag. Most of these people I've seen personally are alt accounts that were banned for, what I assume is mass changing tags which are not accurate, such as changing a specific tag on a specific image, getting banned, and doing it again and again with multiple accounts. I've seen quite a few posts that have well over 20 edits by the same person using alt accounts over and over, as if they have a vendetta against that specific post or something.

Now, I understand that e6 doesn't have enough staff to actively stop people from false updating tags to suit their preferences, so I have some ideas:

#1. New accounts aren't able to tag change for X amount of days. Such as 30, 60, or even 90 days. This will prevent people who make new accounts just to tag change or do other things. They could do it after the time period ends, but I think waiting 1-2 months will deter most of them.
#1.25. Accounts that were banned would have all tag changes done from that account reversed (but this seems difficult to implement).
#1.5. After the period ends, these semi-new accounts will only be able to do a certain amount of tag edits per day, such as 5 or 10, for 30 days, then they will be moved into a fully accessible account which has no limits (except for posting images which is a separate mechanic).
#2. Recently created posts will have a window of time where all tags can be changed by whoever to whatever is required for that post for 2-3 days, before applying #1.
#3. People who upload the images have full reign at all times (unless tags are locked by a staff member) to change the tags to what they deem to be ideal, rather they be the artist or someone just uploading the art for the artist.
#3.5. People who upload art can set a partial lock on certain tags, or even partially ban certain tags, especially if their image is clearly of adult nature. So they could ban the cub tag, and the only people who could change that is admins or people of high positive tag changing.
#4. Accounts that have a high positive tag rating for changing tags over a longer period of time without them getting mass changed (because they mis-tagged) will have a significantly lower tag change time, or possibly not one at all.

I know this is a lot and none of these will probably be implemented, but this is what I personally think would be the best ways to prevent the massive influx of bad taggers.

Staff have generally been on the side effects of weighing towards young (particularly Rainbow Dash, who often locks it on pokemon images ). Of course just being short doesn't warrant it, it's supposed to be based on proportion. There is a bunch of mistagging there, though from what I've seen it's much more common for young to be missing than improperly added.

I have to disagree with all these suggestions:
#1: Anything that makes it harder to add tags is generally a bad thing; there's already enough users who complain about missing tags rather than adding them, we don't need to make that worse.
#1.25: Definitely shouldn't be automatic, and it's not that hard for admins to mass reverse changes anyway.
#3.5: Uploaders don't have any special permissions for uploaded images, nor should they. Artists in particular are often notorious for mistagging when uploading on multiple sites.
The rest are irrelevant without #1.

Also, adult_(lore) should always have young as well, the entire point of the tag is for characters who aren't young but look like they are (and so are tagged young by TWYS).

Shouldn't just be easier to just make new users cant set tags related to "Contentious Content" unless on their own uploads? Then make a secret threshold after tagging for some time so they can use tags like cub, scat, etc...in other posts.

zekorus said:
So within the last 5-6 months, but exponentially more since FA's big 'what is considered cub' change, I've been seeing a lot of people just mass tag changing pictures on ANYTHING that resembles short characters. Cats, kobolds, pokemon (non baby), dogs, etc. Doesn't matter if it's adult lore, if the image has obviously defined adult boobs, if the image itself has an age in it, or even if it's on FA after the mass change recently, people will see short character and just give it an instant cub/young/teen tag. Most of these people I've seen personally are alt accounts that were banned for, what I assume is mass changing tags which are not accurate, such as changing a specific tag on a specific image, getting banned, and doing it again and again with multiple accounts. I've seen quite a few posts that have well over 20 edits by the same person using alt accounts over and over, as if they have a vendetta against that specific post or something.

Now, I understand that e6 doesn't have enough staff to actively stop people from false updating tags to suit their preferences, so I have some ideas:

#1. New accounts aren't able to tag change for X amount of days. Such as 30, 60, or even 90 days. This will prevent people who make new accounts just to tag change or do other things. They could do it after the time period ends, but I think waiting 1-2 months will deter most of them.
#1.25. Accounts that were banned would have all tag changes done from that account reversed (but this seems difficult to implement).
#1.5. After the period ends, these semi-new accounts will only be able to do a certain amount of tag edits per day, such as 5 or 10, for 30 days, then they will be moved into a fully accessible account which has no limits (except for posting images which is a separate mechanic).
#2. Recently created posts will have a window of time where all tags can be changed by whoever to whatever is required for that post for 2-3 days, before applying #1.
#3. People who upload the images have full reign at all times (unless tags are locked by a staff member) to change the tags to what they deem to be ideal, rather they be the artist or someone just uploading the art for the artist.
#3.5. People who upload art can set a partial lock on certain tags, or even partially ban certain tags, especially if their image is clearly of adult nature. So they could ban the cub tag, and the only people who could change that is admins or people of high positive tag changing.
#4. Accounts that have a high positive tag rating for changing tags over a longer period of time without them getting mass changed (because they mis-tagged) will have a significantly lower tag change time, or possibly not one at all.

I know this is a lot and none of these will probably be implemented, but this is what I personally think would be the best ways to prevent the massive influx of bad taggers.

notknow said:
Shouldn't just be easier to just make new users cant set tags related to "Contentious Content" unless on their own uploads? Then make a secret threshold after tagging for some time so they can use tags like cub, scat, etc...in other posts.

Some advice from experience at Tenboro's E-Hentai site:

Some tagging actions you can't do without certain permissions (which are often granted automatically on some threshold). Creating a new tag has been banned for most users since the tags stabilized for the most popular stuff around 2015, give-or-take. I was going to also recommend what Notknow said, specifically. A sort of soft 'locked' tags situation where users with less than say, 100 tags (or some other number adjusted like a dial for level of idiocy incoming) can't add or remove tags on some specific lists. The default blacklist is definitely a good start. Banning people from tagging is possible as a tagging moderator on E-H but I think we already have that instead of outright sidewide bans?

Instead of going route of banning creation of tags, E621 seems to use aliases/disambiguations/invalid tags to prevent it sidewide for the more common forms of bad tagging. Having your banned tag replaced with a clearly identical-meaning one that still applies probably helps more than a little! The same idea with getting a list of related tags with same prefix/suffix or realizing that you had the wrong tag in the first place because ambiguity in the alias lead to more than one possible term (and we chose the most common for convenience). Preventing creation of tags would change the experience of this site and probably in a bad way for a new user?

The posts/tags where people kept abusing tagging system with alts... yeah, that probably calls for some anti-Sybil solution.

#1 kind of goes with that "post edits" requirement, to prevent smart asses just tag-stuffing. Law of unintended consequences where they'd end up spreading that chaos to other random tags that #1 at least discourages. It should probably be more like a panic button, ala the mute flag in IRC. That is, if they get someone coming in with 50 different IP addresses and several common clients, going crazy, and banning/kicking is ineffective, they can just mute the entire channel, and only people manually unmuted (with +v flag AKA voiced) can interact. ##Android even went so far as to require registering your nick, and letting the network mods act as yet another preventive measure since some of this nonsense was multi-channel abuse. This should probably be a suggested feature to the Danbooru people, as well? ;)
I though we already did 1.25?
#1.5 is already a requested feature? Quotas for other actions than say, notes or uploads? <--- These were added because they are the most likely to be abused from past experience on this site and others like it.
#2/3 Ah, that actually makes some sense for new posts. Editing tags of your own upload has certain... User experience issues if you mess with it, too.
#3.5 Again, that rule of unintended consequences. This can be heavily abused.
#4 is similar to concept on E-H where you have 'tagging accuracy' estimates. Of course that only came about because of people gaming the system for Top Tagging contests/ranking. XD
One problem I see is that the more complex you make things, sometimes the less manageable that can get. If one method gets 99% of the benefit, then maybe the other methods aren't worth worrying about. Like that toggleable mute button on IRC because having to voice people all the time is not worth the level of disruption. There's a reason that people hate things like requiring a phone number just to see a site. "Don't you have phones?" levels of trolling from people who create that requirement.

scth said:
Staff have generally been on the side effects of weighing towards young (particularly Rainbow Dash, who often locks it on pokemon images ). Of course just being short doesn't warrant it, it's supposed to be based on proportion. There is a bunch of mistagging there, though from what I've seen it's much more common for young to be missing than improperly added.

I have to disagree with all these suggestions:
#1: Anything that makes it harder to add tags is generally a bad thing; there's already enough users who complain about missing tags rather than adding them, we don't need to make that worse.
#1.25: Definitely shouldn't be automatic, and it's not that hard for admins to mass reverse changes anyway.
#3.5: Uploaders don't have any special permissions for uploaded images, nor should they. Artists in particular are often notorious for mistagging when uploading on multiple sites.
The rest are irrelevant without #1.

Also, adult_(lore) should always have young as well, the entire point of the tag is for characters who aren't young but look like they are (and so are tagged young by TWYS).

#1: Yeah, there's always tradeoffs.
#1.25: Yeah, thought that was what we did, already.
#3.5: Soooooooo abuseable. Right.

Yeah, been trying to make sure I never use a lore tag supported by the image itself. Lore tags are maturing into a stable form, at least. Everyone seems to be getting into habit of using them more and more.