The tag implication #51516 oscar_statuette -> academy_awards is pending approval.

Reason: The oscar statuette is given out at the academy awards.

cloudpie said:
Reason: The oscar statuette is given out at the academy awards.

Granted, most of the posts tagged oscar_statuette seem to be happening at the Academy Awards - critters in formal dress, on a red carpet, etc. At least in theory, though, it's possible to have an Oscar statuette after the ceremony is over, so you wouldn't see the Academy Awards in the picture.

post #716005 (right edge, near the center) is one example.

(Also, all but about 3 of the posts tagged oscar_statuette are about Zootopia.)

kora_viridian said:
Granted, most of the posts tagged oscar_statuette seem to be happening at the Academy Awards - critters in formal dress, on a red carpet, etc. At least in theory, though, it's possible to have an Oscar statuette after the ceremony is over, so you wouldn't see the Academy Awards in the picture.

Academy_awards is a copyright tag and they own the statuettes, I thought
(My post was badly worded lol sorry, i meant to say the academy awards is the organization that gives out the statuettes)

kora_viridian said:
(Also, all but about 3 of the posts tagged oscar_statuette are about Zootopia.)

Lol yes some of those (not all just some) were from a tagging project of mine

cloudpie said:
Academy_awards is a copyright tag and they own the statuettes, I thought
(My post was badly worded lol sorry, i meant to say the academy awards is the organization that gives out the statuettes)

I think the organization is the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences . The Academy Awards is the show where that organization announces the winners and gives out the statuettes.

The ownership is apparently complicated; real old ones are owned by the people that won them. Newer ones are also owned by the people that won them, but AMPAS has something like a "right of first refusal" if the person ever wants to sell it.

I'm guessing that AMPAS probably does own whatever copyright/trademark/IP rights there are for the statuettes; randos legally can't make a statuette that looks exactly like an Oscar and call it an Oscar.

I also feel like it should probably called oscar_statue or something. A statuette is a small statue, and it's possible to depict a larger Oscar statue that wouldn't be a statuette. All statuettes are statues, but not all statues are statuettes.

watsit said:
I also feel like it should probably called oscar_statue or something.

The motivation for the current tag is probably that in IRL life, the ones that are given out to the actors get called "statuettes".

I agree that it's possible to have a larger one, and I'm pretty sure I've seen them on TV - like, outside the theater where the Academy Awards are being held. I'm not sure if we've got any pictures here on e621 that show them like that, though.

Should the academy_awards tag be renamed to academy_of_motion_picture_arts_and_sciences then?

cloudpie said:
Should the academy_awards tag be renamed to academy_of_motion_picture_arts_and_sciences then?

The super pedantic way is probably this:

.oscar_statuette is a regular tag, and implies academy_of_motion_picture_arts_and_sciences

.academy_awards is a regular tag, and implies academy_of_motion_picture_arts_and_sciences

.academy_of_motion_picture_arts_and_sciencesis a copyright tag

The thing I wonder: would anybody ever use academy_of_motion_picture_arts_and_sciences in a search, blacklist, or whitelist? The only thing it's related to is the Academy Awards and the Oscar statuette; you could just search for one of those instead. (Compare to copyright tags like Disney or Pokemon, which each relate to a large number of things that someone might want to see or avoid seeing.) Also, it's a long tag name - the alternative would be ampas, but I don't think many people would think to use that tag.

The "regular" way is probably this:

.oscar_statuette is a regular tag

.academy_awards is a regular tag

academy_of_motion_picture_arts_and_sciences isn't a tag at all

Both tags get applied by TWYS. oscar_statuette applies if there is one in the picture, no matter what other context there is. academy_awards gets tagged if there are characters in formal/fancy dress holding a statuette, or all on stage with one of them making an acceptance speech, or a million camera flashes going off, etc. academy_awards probably wouldn't get tagged on its own very often, unless there's some pretty obvious indication that the setting is the awards - like maybe the host saying "...and the Academy Award goes to...", without a statuette being visible.

kora_viridian said:
Both tags get applied by TWYS. oscar_statuette applies if there is one in the picture, no matter what other context there is. academy_awards gets tagged if there are characters in formal/fancy dress holding a statuette, or all on stage with one of them making an acceptance speech, or a million camera flashes going off, etc. academy_awards probably wouldn't get tagged on its own very often, unless there's some pretty obvious indication that the setting is the awards - like maybe the host saying "...and the Academy Award goes to...", without a statuette being visible.

What about images like this, where they are clearly oscars-related due to text but don't depict the actual award show by TWYS? That's why I thought a copyright tag would be good
post #1160042 post #1149973 post #1150004 post #1150681

cloudpie said:
What about images like this, where they are clearly oscars-related due to text but don't depict the actual award show by TWYS? That's why I thought a copyright tag would be good

I guess there are a few different concepts here:

The hardware somebody gets if they win. oscar_statuette probably covers that.

The organization that puts it all on. I think academy_of_motion_picture_arts_and_sciences would cover that, if we want to use it.

The event that actors, directors, and other people go to, where the winners are announced and the hardware is given out. This event is televised. I'm pretty sure the formal name of this event is "The nth Annual Academy Awards", but most people call it "the Academy Awards" or "the Oscars".

The whole process of nomination, competition, voting, etc, that goes into deciding the winners. "Do you think Buckaroo Bonzai will be up for Best Picture?" "I hope Bette Davis gets Best Actress at the Oscars." The images you linked would fit in here, I think.

Maybe academy_awards gets used for the event itself, and oscars, or oscars_competition for the process? Seems kind of clunky and prone to mis-tagging, though.