I'm a bit curious. If humans become racist civilizations, will they reject the Furry culture?

It really depends on the circumstance, though there's a huge possibility of a negative outcome no matter what. If furries are less powerful than human civilization, they likely won't fare well, given what racist assholes humans have been to indigenous groups. If furries were equally powerful to human civilization, then there would be a potential threat and it would be really easy for nutjob demagogues to gather power on that front. I can see the dogwhistles now - defend humanity! Smooth skin needs to survive! If furries were more powerful than human civilization, humanity would likely, again, see a potential threat, though any warfare would be asymmetric. Perhaps something like Asshole XCOM.

weibilin said:
If humans become racist civilizations

we aren't already?

It might be like Terra Invicta.

LOL, imagine if it was like Warhammer 40K. Aliens all stabbed them in the back, so now they call them Xenos and you can imagine how terribad the future is in that universe.

alphamule said:
LOL, imagine if it was like Warhammer 40K. Aliens all stabbed them in the back, so now they call them Xenos and you can imagine how terribad the future is in that universe.

There's some cases like the Interex where humans and xenos coexisted in peace. Didn't exactly end well - they were wiped out in the Great Crusade. In the modern day, there's instances of limited cooperation with the Craftworld Aeldari and Ynnari. Particularly the Ordo Xenos. They share a great deal of mutual enemies so an alliance of convenience would be very productive.

The Tyranids and Chaos are basically enemies of all but themselves, which can lead to cooperation with traditional enemies like Tau, Orks and Necrons. Such alliances never last, however, as they all have greatly different goals for the future.

peacethroughpower said:
There's some cases like the Interex where humans and xenos coexisted in peace. Didn't exactly end well - they were wiped out in the Great Crusade.

To be fair, that's because of other humans, not because of the xenos.

As for the forum topic itself... are... are you okay?

No, like seriously, you keep seeming to reword and retread the same topics over and over again, and I'm starting to get legitimately worried for your wellbeing.

votp said:
To be fair, that's because of other humans, not because of the xenos.

As for the forum topic itself... are... are you okay?

No, like seriously, you keep seeming to reword and retread the same topics over and over again, and I'm starting to get legitimately worried for your wellbeing.

Okay, I'm just a little disgusted with Kemonomimi, so I'm just venting

weibilin said:
I'm a bit curious. If humans become racist civilizations, will they reject the Furry culture?

What is that title and question? How does alien rejection equate to furry rejection? How does racist cultures equate to furry culture?

If it is an in-group vs out-group thing, then sure.
You see your culture (i.e., in-group) as being superior/favourite, then you'd see other cultures (i.e., out-groups) as being inferior/derogated.
If racism is the social norm in your in-group, then you would naturally become prejudiced against the outgroup in order to gain social points with members within your in-group.

lets be honest here, humans are really dumb as a collective species. And when we are struck with the unknown we tend to lean towards violence first.
I'm convinced that our first contact with aliens will lead to as follow:

1) Xenophobia
2) Kill the Aliens
3) THEN Curiousity
4) Hunt down Aliens
5) Experimentation
6) FIRST CONTACT WAR

There will ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS be....a first contact war.
Cause we are trigger happy.

I mean remember the news(If you're in the USA) about the UFOs hovering over the USA (which some or most thought it was china spying on us)
Our response was to......what?......you guessed it, WE SHOT THEM DOWN!

And we'll shoot down any UFOs in our sky and ask the questions later.
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

I trully fear the day we finally make contact with aliens...I WANT to be friends with them, but our human brains is just....*sigh*....we're going to kill them and start a war. I just want my Quarians
So if "Furries" turn out to be the aliens too then

peacethroughpower said:
It really depends on the circumstance, though there's a huge possibility of a negative outcome no matter what. If furries are less powerful than human civilization, they likely won't fare well, given what racist assholes humans have been to indigenous groups. If furries were equally powerful to human civilization, then there would be a potential threat and it would be really easy for nutjob demagogues to gather power on that front. I can see the dogwhistles now - defend humanity! Smooth skin needs to survive! If furries were more powerful than human civilization, humanity would likely, again, see a potential threat, though any warfare would be asymmetric. Perhaps something like Asshole XCOM.

will become the likely outcome.
I mean, have you ever played Mass Effect? If you know the lore of Mass Effect, what do you think was the FIRST thing humans did when they met alien life?
You guessed it, they started a FOOKIN War with the Tuarians!

Maybe, just MAYBE, us otakus, neets, hikkikomoris, basement dwellers, kids, teens, black-pilled, red-pilled, and other unorthodox walks of life will accept the aliens with open arms. But we don't have the power, nor influence to tell military & gov officials to say.

"Hey...maybe don't shoot down the fookin aliens, yeah?"

closetpossum said:
lets be honest here, humans are really dumb as a collective species. And when we are struck with the unknown we tend to lean towards violence first.
I'm convinced that our first contact with aliens will lead to as follow:

1) Xenophobia
2) Kill the Aliens
3) THEN Curiousity
4) Hunt down Aliens
5) Experimentation
6) FIRST CONTACT WAR

There will ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS be....a first contact war.
Cause we are trigger happy.

I mean remember the news(If you're in the USA) about the UFOs hovering over the USA (which some or most thought it was china spying on us)
Our response was to......what?......you guessed it, WE SHOT THEM DOWN!

And we'll shoot down any UFOs in our sky and ask the questions later.
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

I trully fear the day we finally make contact with aliens...I WANT to be friends with them, but our human brains is just....*sigh*....we're going to kill them and start a war. I just want my Quarians
So if "Furries" turn out to be the aliens too then

will become the likely outcome.
I mean, have you ever played Mass Effect? If you know the lore of Mass Effect, what do you think was the FIRST thing humans did when they met alien life?
You guessed it, they started a FOOKIN War with the Tuarians!

Maybe, just MAYBE, us otakus, neets, hikkikomoris, basement dwellers, kids, teens, black-pilled, red-pilled, and other unorthodox walks of life will accept the aliens with open arms. But we don't have the power, nor influence to tell military & gov officials to say.

"Hey...maybe don't shoot down the fookin aliens, yeah?"

Wait, didn't the Turians shoot first? *ducks*

You know, I never really understood the Daria episode where the younger half the cast hear alien and think exclusively of extraterrestrial life, and the older half think exclusively of immigrants, and characters in the same conversation as one another fail to realise it..
But this thread's been enlightening on that front.

weibilin said:
[..] If humans become racist civilizations [..]

I'm almost certain this means alien as in ethnic foreigners.
I'm never quire sure what to make of WeiBilin, having participated in their first thread and at least seen most of their others^{I somehow even organically stumbled upon this comment, on which I think the downvotes are from people not recognising the word homophonic} but all context cues point to them being a Chinese individual who not only feels alienated by their own culture not being able to produce content that meets their artistic needs, but that a small step outside to the rest of East Asia also disappoints them. (Seriously, please stop complaining about Japan before you get yourself banned for trolling.) Furry websites may be one of WeiBilin's largest windows into The West, and by now there's enough of us it may be difficult for an outsider to see that furry culture is not considered socially acceptable. There's simply enough of us to sustain our own community spaces.
Even then, a large number of people who consume "furry" media still maintain a preference for humans and human traits. Human is the most tagged single species on this site, while a large portion of anthro artwork is effectively human characters with fur, an animal head, and maybe animal hands, feet, and genitals.^{and some people will still call you a zoophile for that last one} It's even extra likely if they're a female character, as the visual traits that indicate "female" to most people are directly related to the standards of a human woman.^{Well, you do see the same thing with male characters (particularly in male/male artwork since men are often not the focus of male/female art.) But the "pull" seems to be less strong, and artists drawing male characters seem to be more likely to depict them without any emphasised human features.}
Even in the closed-communities of artists who don't draw very human art, their own fans will often be more excited for art with many human features than what the artist they're fans of draws.

You will feel this frustration forever, WeiBilin. If you're looking for advice, try to focus less on things you don't like, and look harder for things you do like.

magnuseffect said:
Furry websites may be one of WeiBilin's largest windows into The West, and by now there's enough of us it may be difficult for an outsider to see that furry culture is not considered socially acceptable. There's simply enough of us to sustain our own community spaces.

Furry culture is becoming more and more tolerated in the west, no? It's making many steps forward to becoming socially acceptable, and it's just the last misinformed vestiges of society that view it in low regard.

You know, I never really understood the Daria episode where the younger half the cast hear alien and think exclusively of extraterrestrial life, and the older half think exclusively of immigrants, and characters in the same conversation as one another fail to realise it..
But this thread's been enlightening on that front.

Ah, so that's what they originally intended as the topic. I took it as the aliens (space) option and was wondering what they were on

closetpossum said:
There will ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS be....a first contact war.
Cause we are trigger happy.

I mean remember the news(If you're in the USA) about the UFOs hovering over the USA (which some or most thought it was china spying on us)
Our response was to......what?......you guessed it, WE SHOT THEM DOWN!

And we'll shoot down any UFOs in our sky and ask the questions later.

They made a big show of shooting down some possible or inoperative surveillance balloons. Meanwhile, the USA government has been working on reverse engineering crashed alien spacecraft for several decades.

lance_armstrong said:
They made a big show of shooting down some possible or inoperative surveillance balloons. Meanwhile, the USA government has been working on reverse engineering crashed alien spacecraft for several decades.

The thing is, there's no actual hard proof to any of the allegations. I've been waiting and waiting but they're still not actually showing anything. It's just some dickhead saying there's aliens. It's not XCOM, it's playground stories about how your dad totally works at Nintendo.

Also note that it comes up just as we have very severe political events (e.g. Trump indictment) and increasingly cataclysmic weather events and natural disasters due to ongoing climate catastrophe. It's almost like it's a distraction.

peacethroughpower said:
The thing is, there's no actual hard proof to any of the allegations. I've been waiting and waiting but they're still not actually showing anything. It's just some dickhead saying there's aliens. It's not XCOM, it's playground stories about how your dad totally works at Nintendo.

Also note that it comes up just as we have very severe political events (e.g. Trump indictment) and increasingly cataclysmic weather events and natural disasters due to ongoing climate catastrophe. It's almost like it's a distraction.

I don't think these guys are trying to distract from Trump indictments or climate change. It will be handled in the backrooms and you'll get the proof no earlier than 2025 so it doesn't spoil an election. It is frustrating to be teased but that's the way some of these stakeholders want it.

lance_armstrong said:
I don't think these guys are trying to distract from Trump indictments or climate change. It will be handled in the backrooms and you'll get the proof no earlier than 2025 so it doesn't spoil an election. It is frustrating to be teased but that's the way some of these stakeholders want it.

Assuming this bill is what it appears to be (mandatory disclosure of any and all info about UFOs and such), I fully support it. If it's hard proof, that's great! If it isn't, hopefully it'll cut down on all the speculation.

I just don't have a high opinion of conspiracism in general given how it completely warps people's worldview. So many people are just completely gone, believing insane shit about vaccines or LGBT people or, everyone's favorite, The Jews.

To my knowledge, there absolutely are UFOs which have yet to be explained. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's aliens, just that we don't know what it is. We should demand hard proof before we start considering passing a bill to find the XCOM Project.

peacethroughpower said:
Assuming this bill is what it appears to be (mandatory disclosure of any and all info about UFOs and such), I fully support it. If it's hard proof, that's great! If it isn't, hopefully it'll cut down on all the speculation.

I just don't have a high opinion of conspiracism in general given how it completely warps people's worldview. So many people are just completely gone, believing insane shit about vaccines or LGBT people or, everyone's favorite, The Jews.

To my knowledge, there absolutely are UFOs which have yet to be explained. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's aliens, just that we don't know what it is. We should demand hard proof before we start considering passing a bill to find the XCOM Project.

"Additionally, the federal government shall have eminent domain over any and all recovered technologies of unknown origin (TUO) and biological evidence of non-human intelligence (NHI) that may be controlled by private persons or entities in the interests of the public good."

Not proof of anything, but very interesting for legislation promoted by the Senate Majority Leader. They say "never ask a question you don't already know the answer to". I say, never write legislation you don't already know the effects of.

Trust in government institutions is already near an all-time low. Letting it crater to zero could be the key to beginning the healing process. We can have a truth and reconciliation commission and everything.

snpthecat said:
Furry culture is becoming more and more tolerated in the west, no? It's making many steps forward to becoming socially acceptable [..]

Only the sanitised squeaky-clean element, at best. Love it or hate it, I shouldn't have to tell anyone here how far in you have to go to find the porn, and most non-furries are likely to call you a zoophile for viewing things that are ultimately quite tame by furry standards.
Also consider RainFurrest.

magnuseffect said:
Only the sanitised squeaky-clean element, at best. Love it or hate it, I shouldn't have to tell anyone here how far in you have to go to find the porn, and most non-furries are likely to call you a zoophile for viewing things that are ultimately quite tame by furry standards.
Also consider RainFurrest.

That's capitalism, baby! If companies can make a profit off of something, they will make a profit off of something. Hence the existence of rainbow capitalism. (Which, to be clear, I absolutely prefer to greyscale capitalism. Representation is important, even if it's as a side effect of a pursuit of profit.)

Really, though, the countercultural elements are my favorite. (To be clear, I'm not endorsing anything unethical.)

We can only hope

You phrase it like we would even have a choice to accept aliens or not.

If an alien species has the technology which allows for interplanetary space travel over dozens, or perhaps hundreds or even thousands of light years, they are pretty much centuries ahead of us in every aspect. We wouldn't have a chance unless they decide that they respect our wishes.