im asking cause exhentai is basically a piracy site. which breaks the rules according to the guidelines. however. the artist is the poster of the gallery on exhentai of the images i want to post here. and there is no other higher quality source that im aware of since he post to baraag and exhentai only.

thoughts?

catchoftheday said:
however. the artist is the poster of the gallery on exhentai of the images i want to post here.

Have you confirmed with the artist that that user is indeed them, and not an impersonator who snagged their username?
Tbh while you're talking to them, you might as well just ask them to send you the images directly, in as high a quality as they're okay with being posted.

cloudpie said:
Have you confirmed with the artist that that user is indeed them, and not an impersonator who snagged their username?
Tbh while you're talking to them, you might as well just ask them to send you the images directly, in as high a quality as they're okay with being posted.

yes. i know its the same artist. and i plan to.

As usual, if actually the artist/official publisher, can't be piracy thus... XD

alphamule said:
As usual, if actually the artist/official publisher, can't be piracy thus... XD

I'm pretty sure even if the thing you're linking to is kosher, if the site itself is known for hosting pirated material, it shouldn't be linked to.

watsit said:
I'm pretty sure even if the thing you're linking to is kosher, if the site itself is known for hosting pirated material, it shouldn't be linked to.

Well, pot calling kettle black time, but yeah I can see that being... problematic. Technically, you shouldn't be posting to the 'eX', anyways, per rules of that community. It's always hillllllarious to see people get kicked off of IRC channel for mentioning the site that doesn't exist. ;)

(Not so) shockingly, some artists use it. For posting comics, it's a damn sight easier to deal with updates, pools, tagging, etc. But then you're on a manga piracy site. :facepalm: I kind of wish we had a site like e621 but just for publishing comic pools. Could even share the tags downstream if already submitted to here. Meh, don't know if we're ready for federated metadata. AGN.PH doesn't support all those tags, and is only for Pokemon and isn't arranged around the comic format, so it's not applicable, either.

Interestingly, pretty much anything published officially overseas is forbidden content. So things do in fact get taken down (see also: Wani/Fakku). It's just... still a lot of blatantly pirated comics. Best avoid even mentioning it by name.

catchoftheday said:
im asking cause exhentai is basically a piracy site. which breaks the rules according to the guidelines.

Trying to find what this is referring to...

e621:rules#tagging

Do not add any sources that are invalid, and do not remove any sources that are valid.

• Do not use links to piracy sites as sources.

Also

e621:rules#piracy

4.3 Posting Unreleased Content / Hacking Data Files

• Do not share any content or data that has been obtained through unauthorized or illegal means. Do not discuss or share methods or resources used to obtain such content.
• Do not link to content only available through paid subscription services. Do not quote or otherwise reference other users doing that either – simply report them and move on.

I do not think we actually define "piracy sites" anywhere. Sourcing from exhentai has slightly more risk than sourcing from boorus, for example, because exhentai only presents archives without the ability to declare individual file sources, which other boorus can do. We have a lot of content poorly sourced to other boorus. AFAIK, every booru not named e621 is a fairly risky source because none of them have concerted takedown support nor anti-paywall enforcement, thus making them all "piracy sites" on equal footing with exhentai. Pretty much everywhere else that hosts user uploaded comics/doujins will be rife with pirated content. IMO, there's only one true "piracy site" right now with furry-relevant content entirely taken from paywall services that should be stricken as a source and unmentionable.

Basically, I would distill all this down to: try to find an original source for anything uploaded by third parties to exhentai, other boorus, and other such sites and upload from the original source instead. If that's not possible, you run the risk of uploading pay content, being found out, and getting punished for it. Here's a fine line for interpreting 4.3: do not upload or link to pirated content. If you know the content is not pirated, then uploading or linking to that should be fine, even if the site hosting it has pirated content.

If you know the artist has uploaded their own works to one of these risky sites, then that site may be the best source available. I've seen that for InkBunny artists uploading human content to the rule34 boorus as well as a Twitter artist uploading original PNGs to a rule34 booru. E621 posts from those sites should be treated with some suspicion by default, but that alone is not enough for a deletion and record. We accept sourceless posts that could have come from anywhere, after all, which are usually just artist or commissioner uploads.

catchoftheday said:
however. the artist is the poster of the gallery on exhentai of the images i want to post here. and there is no other higher quality source that im aware of since he post to baraag and exhentai only.

thoughts?

Should be fine. You might want to note that in the description of every such post, because exhentai is a pain in the ass to access for the uninitiated. Say something like "High quality version uploaded to exhentai by the artist." Perhaps the artist links to their exhentai user account or a specific archive they manage on exhentai. In my books, that's an official endorsement from the artist.

I had a similar situation where an artist only uploaded to baraag, but would later delete some of those baraag posts... People reuploaded those posts to other boorus and exhentai with dead sources.

An exhentai gallery is how I found art for Project Vigil Nightwarden, but I put in the time to source everything to proper sources instead and even found art missing from that collection, which since been added, probably from scraping my finds. Some content in the archive was sadly only paywalled.

abadbird said:
Say something like "High quality version uploaded to exhentai by the artist."

I don't think that would be a good idea.

Do not share any content or data that has been obtained through unauthorized or illegal means. Do not discuss or share methods or resources used to obtain such content.

That site is a place to get unauthorized/leaked content, so mentioning that some images came from there would be discussing or sharing sites where people can obtain leaked content (even if the particular images reposted here were authorized/legal). Someone who doesn't know what that is would be encouraged to look it up, maybe to try to helpfully find a "proper" source for posts missing one, and end up on the site where they'll have access to leaked content.

"you run the risk of uploading pay content" Yeah, this is only reason I mentioned publishers and artists. To be quite frank, just put "I am the source", preferably after getting artist status verified, to make it easier for people to know it's legit.

watsit said:
I don't think that would be a good idea.
That site is a place to get unauthorized/leaked content, so mentioning that some images came from there would be discussing or sharing sites where people can obtain leaked content (even if the particular images reposted here were authorized/legal). Someone who doesn't know what that is would be encouraged to look it up, maybe to try to helpfully find a "proper" source for posts missing one, and end up on the site where they'll have access to leaked content.

Part of why I prefer not to spell out the full names or mask them. XD If you know, you know, and if you don't, can't Google it.

I do just want to point out that from looking at source:*exhen* and source:*e-hen*, already have a collective ~4000 active posts that use this service as a source.

but also, I don't think it's probably going to be that big of a deal with exh in any case. since you know, it's exh, and all the links pseudo-404 unless you have an accout, are logged in already, and then have fiddled with the cookies. so, the only people who will be able to use the source links are people who already use the site anyway.

in any case it's probably best to link your sources no matter what, obfuscating that stuff probably makes finding stuff that's been pirated more difficult, not easier.