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Is there already a tag for when a image has the same artstyle as the show its based on?
If not, I think it would make for a great addition, maybe something like original_artstyle, or artstyle_of_scource. Idk, havent found a good name yet.
Example images:
There's on_model for depictions of characters and stuff that are neigh-indistinguishable from the source media.
Maybe style_emulation?
watsit said:
There's on_model for depictions of characters and stuff that are neigh-indistinguishable from the source media.
You can have something on model but doesnt keep the style. Look at pokemon cards. Most are on model and have had tons of art styles
Ive also seen old comics that have characters that arent on model but is very convincing in style
grey_scale_dragon said:
You can have something on model but doesnt keep the style. Look at pokemon cards. Most are on model and have had tons of art styles
Ive also seen old comics that have characters that arent on model but is very convincing in style
How do you mean? If it's in a different style, it's distinguishable from the source media, thus isn't on_model.
Though it is true that some series don't have a consistent style (Pokemon changed its visual style with the Alolan arc, the Pokemon comics have its own style separate from the anime, etc), which is part of the problem with such a tag; if a franchise's style can vary, how do you determine what's the same as the franchise? Along with the fact that sometimes styles are shared between series (it's not easy to distinguish the Sonic style from Klonoa, for example, or MLP FIM from Them's Fightin' Herds, or Dragon Ball from Dragon Quest, etc).
y0urbr0m4n said:
Is there already a tag for when a image has the same artstyle as the show its based on?
If not, I think it would make for a great addition, maybe something like original_artstyle, or artstyle_of_scource. Idk, havent found a good name yet.Example images:
on model for fan art that is indistinguishable from, or at least very heavily based on, the style and/or character designs in the source material.
style emulation for art that is made in the style of a specific piece of media or very distinct and identifiable art style. Preferably exclusive of on-model fan art.
maplebytes said:
on model for fan art that is indistinguishable from, or at least very heavily based on, the style and/or character designs in the source material.style emulation for art that is made in the style of a specific piece of media or very distinct and identifiable art style. Preferably exclusive of on-model fan art.
what's style_parody, then?
wizardmagican said:
What's the difference between on_model and on_style?
post #3842770
Toriel does not have these proportions in Undertale, but Undertale does represent battle sprites as pure black-and-white sprites. This is on style, but off model.
watsit said:
How do you mean? If it's in a different style, it's distinguishable from the source media, thus isn't on_model.Though it is true that some series don't have a consistent style (Pokemon changed its visual style with the Alolan arc, the Pokemon comics have its own style separate from the anime, etc), which is part of the problem with such a tag; if a franchise's style can vary, how do you determine what's the same as the franchise? Along with the fact that sometimes styles are shared between series (it's not easy to distinguish the Sonic style from Klonoa, for example, or MLP FIM from Them's Fightin' Herds, or Dragon Ball from Dragon Quest, etc).
lafcadio said:
post #3842770
Toriel does not have these proportions in Undertale, but Undertale does represent battle sprites as pure black-and-white sprites. This is on style, but off model.
Lafcadio made my point but inverted. You can keep a character on model but off style. My examples being the pokemon card database, poketoons on the pokemon youtube channel and the path to the peak short series also on youtube
Style and model are very different and the on_model wiki admits that the tag is mostly for character design and not art style
lafcadio said:
post #3842770
Toriel does not have these proportions in Undertale, but Undertale does represent battle sprites as pure black-and-white sprites. This is on style, but off model.
Black-and-white pixel sprites is a pretty low bar. Such a superficially similar style seems like it'd apply to a lot of images.
grey_scale_dragon said:
My examples being the pokemon card database, poketoons on the pokemon youtube channel and the path to the peak short series also on youtube
Those are official media, so it is on style with official media. Separating some official media from others when deciding what counts is quite arbitrary, and you could just as well claim the pokemon anime doesn't count since it's not the same style as Sugimori's official artwork. Or since the anime has changed styles itself, only some of the anime's style counts.
watsit said:
Black-and-white pixel sprites is a pretty low bar. Such a superficially similar style seems like it'd apply to a lot of images.
This is not a serious argument and it borders on strawman. That is literally the Undertale battle screen. All of the Undertale sprites are publicly available for you to study on The Spriters Resource. There is a clear and conscious attempt to imitate the battle sprite style, when it would've been just as easy to make Toriel's dress purple/blue.
Look at Vib-Ribbon.
post #4016086
This is official art, though in gameplay a couple of the finer details are simplified (while the official art uses a lot of overlapping strokes, in actual gameplay Vibri's ears, feet, etc. consist of single 1px-wide lines. Let's assume that "on style" is any post that tries to represent Vibri with this polygonal line-art style, since the official art and the actual in-game art differ slightly.
post #501358
This matches the art style established above, but Vibri doesn't have this bodily shape. It's on style, off model.
post #915315
Aside from the head, Vibri just doesn't look like this period. I would hesitate to call this anything but off style, off model.
post #2496295
This one's a little better about matching the style, and it could be argued that Vibri should have a white body, but this is still pretty off model.
post #2573716
Here's an even more extreme example of somebody breaking the Vib-ribbon style.
I'm going to stop humoring you with replies if this is the level of dialogue that I should expect.
lafcadio said:
This is not a serious argument and it borders on strawman.
That is exactly what you said:
lafcadio said:
wizardmagican said:
What's the difference between on_model and on_style?post #3842770
Toriel does not have these proportions in Undertale, but Undertale does represent battle sprites as pure black-and-white sprites.
Toriel doesn't have those proportions so it's off-model, but Undertale uses pure black-and-white sprites so it's on-style.
lafcadio said:
That is literally the Undertale battle screen. All of the Undertale sprites are publicly available for you to study on The Spriters Resource.
It's best not to get hung up on specific examples when talking about what fits a tag generally. It's easy to find examples to show what can fit a tag, but the issues come from how different people interpret it and where the line is when dealing with less clear-cut examples. And given posts like
post #3993283 post #3442283
it seems people can have a pretty loose interpretation of what counts as being in the source's style. It seems to me it will either end up used so little that it's not useful for searching or blacklisting, or different people try to enforce their own opinion on whether the style is close enough with no objective measure to work off of.
As it is, this thread is already showing a trend of subjective interpretation for a series' style. With claims that the official poketoon shorts, the official pokemon card artwork, and certain official pokemon anime miniseries don't count toward being "on style" for pokemon, despite them being official source material. You yourself also said "it would've been just as easy to make Toriel's dress purple/blue" as opposed to black-and-white, but why would her dress's color be a style factor if her proportions aren't? These exclusions make the tag seem very arbitrary, an "I'll know it when I see it" kind of tag that's ripe for disagreements on what does or should count.
watsit said:
That is exactly what you said:post #3842770
Toriel does not have these proportions in Undertale, but Undertale does represent battle sprites as pure black-and-white sprites.
Toriel doesn't have those proportions so it's off-model, but Undertale uses pure black-and-white sprites so it's on-style.
It's best not to get hung up on specific examples when talking about what fits a tag generally. It's easy to find examples to show what can fit a tag, but the issues come from how different people interpret it and where the line is when dealing with less clear-cut examples. And given posts like
post #3993283 post #3442283
it seems people can have a pretty loose interpretation of what counts as being in the source's style. It seems to me it will either end up used so little that it's not useful for searching or blacklisting, or different people try to enforce their own opinion on whether the style is close enough with no objective measure to work off of.
As it is, this thread is already showing a trend of subjective interpretation for a series' style. With claims that the official poketoon shorts, the official pokemon card artwork, and certain official pokemon anime miniseries don't count toward being "on style" for pokemon, despite them being official source material. You yourself also said "it would've been just as easy to make Toriel's dress purple/blue" as opposed to black-and-white, but why would her dress's color be a style factor if her proportions aren't? These exclusions make the tag seem very arbitrary, an "I'll know it when I see it" kind of tag that's ripe for disagreements on what does or should count.
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Theres next to no way to tag with 100% accuracy for all posts because art is subjective. The pearl example you show is more on style. The mudkip is mistagged because its not in a recognizable pokemon style. But the on_style wiki needs to be more in-depth to determine weather or not these follow the tag correctly
I gave those examples of official pokemon media because theyre spinoffs. They need to be visually distinct in but are held to a much higher standard to keep on model
grey_scale_dragon said:
Theres next to no way to tag with 100% accuracy for all posts because art is subjective.
Which is my argument against the tag. Art style is subjective, and different people will have different opinions on what's close to some source style. Some people may value the (lack of) color in determining whether it matches the style and not care about body proportions, while another may value body proportions and not care much about the color palette. Neither is really wrong, because it's a subjective determination for what matters in matching a given art style, but that makes the tag less useful since such a tag would inevitably include what a number of people don't think it should include.
grey_scale_dragon said:
I gave those examples of official pokemon media because theyre spinoffs. They need to be visually distinct in but are held to a much higher standard to keep on model
Spinoffs or not, they're still official media. The Pokemon anime is a spinoff of the games, as they were made to promote the games. Sugimori's illustrations for the games defined the original "style" of pokemon, which the anime, card game, etc, then took to put their own spin on. If we're going to accept official media that came after the original, it's only fair to include it all and not arbitrarily exclude some based on personal preferences.
