The tag alias #65824 reverse_rape -> rape has been approved.

Reason: I have 2 reasons for objecting to this tag:

1. It implies guys can't be "regular" victims of rape, which is sexist

2. Its purpose is served by the tag combination of rape dominant_female

Therefore, I'd like to propose it just be aliased to rape.

Edit: After reviewing the wiki article for the tag, I still object to it (even if the article doesn't exactly specify female characters being involved, but that’s what a lot of people on here use it for) and present the forced_to_penetrate tag as a much more reasonable alternative, as is so lovingly pointed out by some of y'all.

EDIT: The tag alias reverse_rape -> rape (forum #389074) has been approved by @slyroon.

There are a few that don't contain a female character, and the wiki never suggested a female character is needed.

are the tags for when a character is forced to penetrate rather than forcefully penetrated. See: reverse_forced_oral, reverse_forced_anal, and reverse_forced_vaginal (the last one lacks a wiki and only has 18 posts). I'm guessing reverse_rape was meant to be an umbrella tag for these. Maybe they should all imply reverse_rape? We may optionally want to also rename reverse_rape to forced_to_penetrate or something, since the current name arguably has some sketchy implications of what "rape" is "supposed" to be or what "counts" as "rape".

+1 for having a forced_to_penetrate tag

feels a bit unwieldy, but a rename of the tag and making it the umbrella tag of the reverse_forced_* tags seems like a good idea. Opinions on whether reverse_forced_* tags need to be renamed?

I agree with crocogator that the reverse_* tags have some gross implications about what rape is and who can be rape victims. But I'm not sure what they could be renamed to, besides forced_to_penetrate, which sounds fine imo

Btw, it turns out the forced_to_penetrate tag already exists. I should've checked that first. Oops. I'm not sure that really changes anything though.

crocogator said:
Reverse_forced_* are the tags for when a character is forced to penetrate rather than forcefully penetrated. See: reverse_forced_oral, reverse_forced_anal, and reverse_forced_vaginal (the last one lacks a wiki and only has 18 posts). I'm guessing reverse_rape was meant to be an umbrella tag for these. Maybe they should all imply reverse_rape? We may optionally want to also rename reverse_rape to forced_to_penetrate or something, since the current name arguably has some sketchy implications of what "rape" is "supposed" to be or what "counts" as "rape".

"Reverse rape" is too ambiguous. It can mean a character being forced to penetrate another, or it can mean a female molesting a male (e.g. a female using a dildo on a male against his will, or giving him a handjob against his will). Reverse rape is rape, but the specifics are still variable aside from it not being the presumed male-raping-female scenario.

forced_to_penetrate doesn't sound like a good alternative either, since it can be a result of forced_partners where neither the penetrated or penetrating character is the rapist.

rapist_penetrated?

watsit said:
"Reverse rape" is too ambiguous. It can mean a character being forced to penetrate another, or it can mean a female molesting a male (e.g. a female using a dildo on a male against his will, or giving him a handjob against his will). Reverse rape is rape, but the specifics are still variable aside from it not being the presumed male-raping-female scenario.

Is there a tag whereby the tables have turned for the rapist and they are the one getting raped instead? Because that's what I thought of what I saw "reverse rape".
I guess it would still be considered rape, just not the typical scenario that one would assume.

pleaseletmein said:
rapist_penetrated?

Still sounds like rape dominant_female.

thegreatwolfgang said:

Still sounds like rape dominant_female.

The person being penetrated doesn't have to be female, and could be any gender?

snpthecat said:
The person being penetrated doesn't have to be female, and could be any gender?

Yeah, I was just repeating what the thread OP said. If you want to be extra accurate about it, it would be forced_reverse_* or forced_to_penetrate the rapist specifically (while excluding instances of forced_partners or objects).

WTH, this tag still exists? I thought we had a male raped/female rape cleanup ages ago.

alphamule said:
WTH, this tag still exists? I thought we had a male raped/female rape cleanup ages ago.

I don't think any of the *_rape tags are cleaned up at all, not to mention the tag name is really ambiguous lmao. It should either be *_raped or *_rapist, but just female_rape is extremely ambiguous without reading the wiki.

TBH, *_rape should just be aliased to *_rapist

I agree, I don't like the implications of the phrasing, and some may interpret it as the penetrating character being the victim of rape.

or female_raping and male_raped, or female_raping_male would all be better alternatives.

isn’t a good tag imo
What if it’s a female raping an intersex character?

female rapist is a good tag.

and x_raped would cover all possibilities with 0 ambiguity and no compound tags

dimoretpinel said:
female_raping_male isn’t a good tag imo
What if it’s a female raping an intersex character?

female rapist is a good tag.

While I don't disagree with using female_rapist, if we were going with the gender_raping_gender format, all that would mean is that we'd just have to make a female_raping_intersex tag too.

My only concern is that needing two tags (x_rapist, x_raped) could lead to less users using them, or not properly pairing the tags together. I still think we should use the x_rapist/x_raped format though.

maplebytes said:
I agree, I don't like the implications of the phrasing, and some may interpret it as the penetrating character being the victim of rape.

female_rapist

or female_raping and male_raped, or female_raping_male would all be better alternatives.

x_<verb>_y tags have questiable utility overall, there's not all that much reason to have them.

the main set of "canonized" ones, x_penetrating_y, only really having the fact that they imply sex (which was pretty undertagged for a lot of penetrative sex) in it's favour.

definitelynotafurry4 said:
I don't think any of the *_rape tags are cleaned up at all, not to mention the tag name is really ambiguous lmao. It should either be *_raped or *_rapist, but just female_rape is extremely ambiguous without reading the wiki.

TBH, *_rape should just be aliased to *_rapist

LOL, an idea so good that it's been suggested many times.

The tag alias reverse_rape -> rape (forum #389074) has been approved by @slyroon.