Hi! I'm new to the site and this is my first forum post that isn't a reply so bear with me please.

Since I joined I've noticed that there are a lot of femboy related tags that just go to "girly". One of my favorite things to draw and look at art of is feminine male characters who are dominant, mostly with submissive male partners, so male/male. I like art like this a lot because it's relevant to my irl gender expression and sexuality lol.

I've had a lot of trouble searching for this on e621. Since it seems like dominant_femboy just goes to girly, the general tag for feminine men (I think) I can't specifically find feminine male characters who are dominant even if I were to combine it with other tags like submissive_male or male/male. Ultimately the majority of the posts I'll find with any of those combinations will still have the femboy as the submissive party which makes this a pretty difficult niche to search for. It looks like there are a lot of other specific character-related submissive and dominant tags however.

Since it's more popular to draw feminine men/boys as submissive parties, I understand that I may be in the minority for wanting something like this to be easier to search but I also know I'm not the only artist (or general user) who would be interested in knowing the answer to the question in the title! It IS a niche kink but not non-existant.

I'm not personally sure of how to fix this or what to suggest to change it to since I'm new around these parts and can't claim to know every single thing about how the tagging system works. I'm also aware there might be a specific tag for this that I'm not aware of. Thank you!!

I found out the tag, this no longer needs an answer!

The tag is apparently girly_dominant

I don't necessarily hate that someone made the move to, well, effectively circumvent the alias. But I think any rationale that applied to aliasing away dominant_femboy also is likely to be applied to girly_dominant. A rationale given by one mod (who is -not- the author of the original alias FWIW) is 'we don't need subtags for every little thing'.

In general the subject of tagging femboy / girly / feminine_male / whatever other term there might be is problematic. Here is a ongoing discussion on some of the issues.

I mentioned this in the other thread about the girly tag, but I personally agree that this should absolutely be a tag, because we are given absolutely no way to search for this otherwise.

I don't get the argument that "girly isn't a gender tag", because making this one tag doesn't mean suddenly every gendered tag group needs to include girly. It's just that this is a specific and common kink that is completely unsearchable.

There's also josou_seme which pretty much means the same thing. Lot under girly power_bottom male_penetrated as well. But you shouldn't have to search a million different things just to get a fraction of the applicable results.

Wow, I had no idea that this was such an... existing problem, for lack of a better word lol. I can understand the argument that maybe femboy would be a weird tag given that it would be easy to mistake characters who are not boys in lore as feminine dudes, but considering we're encouraged to tag based on visible traits anyway, and lore tags for the character's actual identity exist, I guess I didn't realize that there would be so many problems with it still.

But I think any rationale that applied to aliasing away dominant_femboy also is likely to be applied to girly_dominant.

I'll be completely honest, stuff like this when it comes to the tagging ecosystem here goes over my head. I kind of just learned what I needed to tag my own posts properly, and leave the aliasing and BURs and stuff to people who undeniably know more about it than me. However, with that said, it makes me sad to think that the girly_dominant tag would get removed entirely considering how hard it is to search for this niche already. It seems searching for practically any other gender, body type or species as specifically submissive or dominant is very accessible. :/

A rationale given by one mod (who is -not- the author of the original alias FWIW) is 'we don't need subtags for every little thing'.

Oh man, a "little thing" is... certainly a way you can refer to a niche regarding one of the most popular fetishes on the internet (femboys) I suppose. That's just my opinion though.

There's also josou_seme which pretty much means the same thing

And also thanks for revealing this tag to me! I didn't know about this one either. It seems to have more in it than girly_dominant as well.

I feel like we definitely could come up with a better tag name/definition for these kinds of situations with a bit wider, more useful definition, but I think keeping girly_dominant is fine, for now, at least.

sipothac said:
I feel like we definitely could come up with a better tag name/definition for these kinds of situations with a bit wider, more useful definition, but I think keeping girly_dominant is fine, for now, at least.

It's fine by me since I at least have a tag to search when I wanna see that kind of content! lol. That's the most important thing at the end of the day I guess, having a tag at all that can be searched and posted to. If it's an ideal tag is a different discussion but maybe one worth having, eventually.

I agree that maybe changing it doesn't need to be an immediate priority, if it ends up getting changed at all. Would still be nice to see it sorted out someday. (Maybe also do the same thing with tomboy tags haha)