Topic: Add ability to include an optional comment when submitting an update to an artist's page

Posted under Site Bug Reports & Feature Requests

The only reason I'm making this thread is because at times it feels like things like handling artist rebrands and stuff can get messy and a moderator can come along and change it to something incorrect with little justification behind it, as was the case with aliasing claralaine to aoizuri, where for some reason one of the mods thought it was a good idea to change the artist's name to one of her alternate names that she uses in like one place and nowhere else. Because of not being able to include justification and proof that a change was erroneous without potentially getting a record for vandalism because it challenges what a mod did previously, now it's unknown on whether it's possible to make such a change.

As for a less personal reason, a ton of other places on the site have the ability to attach an optional comment to justify changes, I don't see why artist pages don't follow suit. Or is wanting consistency not something the site wants?

definitelynotafurry4 said:
The alias you're referring to is over a year old: https://e621.net/tag_aliases/58995

And the cited reason was these 3 existing:
https://twitter.com/Aoizuri
https://patreon.com/Aoizuri
https://inkbunny.net/Aoizuri

Aoizuri isn't her main identity, and most certainly not a rebrand because she didn't abandon her primary account. I don't see why this was done, as Claralaine has gone on record saying she wanted the Aoizuri and Claralaine names to be separate because one's for cub stuff and the other isn't, and she never asked for the two to be aliased. Also, if there WAS a cited reason, I'm most certainly not seeing it anywhere, nor a place to add such cited reasons.

notasexualdodo said:
Aoizuri isn't her main identity, and most certainly not a rebrand because she didn't abandon her primary account. I don't see why this was done, as Claralaine has gone on record saying she wanted the Aoizuri and Claralaine names to be separate because one's for cub stuff and the other isn't, and she never asked for the two to be aliased. Also, if there WAS a cited reason, I'm most certainly not seeing it anywhere, nor a place to add such cited reasons.

The cited reason is on the forum post about the alias. https://e621.net/forum_topics/34193. It's under the reference in the original link I sent. Afaik e6 does not separate artist's tags like that. If they are the same person their aliases will most likely exist. Though I'm not a mod and can't speak certainty on that.

The fact that I had to even reach out to Claralaine herself just to clear this up says a lot about the lack of communication that not being able to see cited reasons for changes brings. As far as anyone else is concerned the alias was changed for no reason and it was completely arbitrary.

definitelynotafurry4 said:
The cited reason is on the forum post about the alias. https://e621.net/forum_topics/34193. It's under the reference in the original link I sent. Afaik e6 does not separate artist's tags like that. If they are the same person their aliases will most likely exist. Though I'm not a mod and can't speak certainty on that.

There 100% exist artists who have tags separated between accounts, especially if it's the artists who wish for them to stay separated. Also, if creating an account under a new name than what the artist originally created is the sole requirement for aliasing to the new name, then how come artists like itsunknownanon and pokehidden aren't aliased to fancy_tophat and onihidden respectively? This is a stupid reason to alias an artist's name to a new account instead of to the main one, ESPECIALLY when it's not a rebrand.

definitelynotafurry4 said:
Afaik e6 does not separate artist's tags like that.

obligatory i'm not a mod but:

We do if the artist requests it for privacy/content separation reasons. Bitwolfy and the user who suggested the alias must just not've known that that's claralaine's preference. Notasexualdodo, there's no need to get upset, this was a mistake and can easily be fixed - you can make a BUR to unalias claralaine from aoizuri and cite the artist's request as the reason. Then move all the applicable posts over.

cloudpie said:
We do if the artist requests it for privacy/content separation reasons. Bitwolfy and the user who suggested the alias must just not've known that that's claralaine's preference. Noasexualdodo, there's no need to get upset, this was a mistake and can easily be fixed - you can make a BUR to unalias claralaine from aoizuri and cite the artist's request as the reason. Then move all the applicable posts over.

I'm sorry, I didn't know that this was something I could do. There's a lot of features this site has that I still haven't used. I thought this was the only way to change an artist's tag name and unaliasing it. I'm just a stickler for consistency.

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cloudpie said:
We do if the artist requests it for privacy/content separation reasons.

Ah, I didn't know that.

Then yes, request an unalias, then you could probably get someone to tag script all of aoizuri young or aoizuri -young whichever needs to be moved, to the new artist tag with -aoizuri claralaine. I could probably do it if no one else would, but I'd need to know which content to move to the new artist tag if that's the one they keep young content on or not.

Watsit

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Generally as long as there's an obvious public connection between the names, they're aliased by default. An artist having different names on different sites is extremely common, often because their existing name was taken when signing up to the new site or because they just wanted to start using a different name, and when there is a publicly mentioned connection between them, we prefer the same artist to be under the same tag to best find all their content instead of splitting their content on an arbitrary line making it harder to find their stuff. Unlike most other sites, we have a really strong tagging and blacklist system that allows separating content based on other tags while keeping the same artist tag.

But as mentioned, if the artist explicitly requests a separation despite a public connection, we can honor the request.

alphamule

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definitelynotafurry4 said:
The cited reason is on the forum post about the alias. https://e621.net/forum_topics/34193. It's under the reference in the original link I sent. Afaik e6 does not separate artist's tags like that. If they are the same person their aliases will most likely exist. Though I'm not a mod and can't speak certainty on that.

I'm pretty sure that's incorrect. Aren't there artists that it says to use a specific name for specific content? Like, SFW and NSFW, right?
I know that some posts have anonymous artist precisely because the artist themselves wanted the name removed.

notasexualdodo said:
I'm sorry, I didn't know that this was something I could do. There's a lot of features this site has that I still haven't used. I thought this was the only way to change an artist's tag name and unaliasing it. I'm just a stickler for consistency.

Yeah, same applies for notes on artists. There's usually a way to do things. If the artist has an entry, then a note can be put in there not to mix them up. I agree that a reason field might help a lot on those edits. Alternatively, just you know, start a forum post or ask the other editor directly (like this topic, obviously).

watsit said:
Generally as long as there's an obvious public connection between the names, they're aliased by default. An artist having different names on different sites is extremely common, often because their existing name was taken when signing up to the new site or because they just wanted to start using a different name, and when there is a publicly mentioned connection between them, we prefer the same artist to be under the same tag to best find all their content instead of splitting their content on an arbitrary line making it harder to find their stuff. Unlike most other sites, we have a really strong tagging and blacklist system that allows separating content based on other tags while keeping the same artist tag.

But as mentioned, if the artist explicitly requests a separation despite a public connection, we can honor the request.

It gets tricky when you want to make sure no one mixes up the tags, but then people also don't want you to say which to not mix up. Heisenbug level there!

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