The bulk update request #6817 has been rejected.

remove alias tortoise_shell_cat (0) -> tortoiseshell_cat (208)
remove implication tortoiseshell_cat (208) -> domestic_cat (289328)
remove alias calico (0) -> calico_cat (7262)
remove implication calico_cat (7262) -> domestic_cat (289328)
remove alias tabbycat (0) -> tabby_cat (4543)
remove alias tabbi_cat (0) -> tabby_cat (4543)
remove alias tabby-cat (0) -> tabby_cat (4543)
remove alias tabby (0) -> tabby_cat (4543)
remove alias tabby_(cat) (0) -> tabby_cat (4543)
remove implication tabby_cat (4543) -> domestic_cat (289328)
create alias orange_tabby (17) -> tabby_pattern (0)
remove implication tuxedo_cat (2640) -> domestic_cat (289328)

Reason: Part 2
alias tortoise_shell_cat -> tortoiseshell_pattern alias tortoiseshell_cat -> tortoiseshell_pattern alias calico -> calico_pattern alias calico_cat -> calico_pattern alias tabby_fur -> tabby_pattern alias tabby_cat -> tabby_pattern alias tabbycat -> tabby_pattern alias tabbi_cat -> tabby_pattern alias tabby-cat -> tabby_pattern alias tabby -> tabby_pattern alias tabby_(cat) -> tabby_pattern alias tuxedo_cat -> tuxedo_markings

• Cat patterns are not separate breeds. These patterns can occur in other animals either naturally or by the whim of an artist. A "_pattern" suffix is attached to all of these tags to make it clearer that they are no longer species tags and to match the already established calico_pattern.
• Tortoiseshell and calico may be the same thing genetically (tortoiseshells are mottled by default, but the more piebalding the cat has the bigger the tortoiseshell blotches become, until they are white with black/red patches), but they are visually rather different, so I don't think they should be combined.
• Tabby_fur seems to have been created to get around the tabby -> tabby_cat alias. I don't see any reason why we'd need separate tabby_[fur/scales/skin] tags, so I think it should be aliased.
• There's no reason for orange_tabby to be it's own tag.
• I don't know what to do with tuxedo_cat. I'm not confident it needs it's own tag, but the fact that it exits means there's some demand, so I don't want to nuke it right off the bat. It does need to be removed as a cat-implying species tag regardless. Maybe a rename to dipstick_markings???

Please point out any mistakes I've made. I kept loosing track of what I was doing and had to remake this multiple times. Typos are likely no matter how many times I re-read...

EDIT: The bulk update request #6817 (forum #393036) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.

Tuxedo Cat might be referencing "The Cat In The Hat" character? Not that it matters here, but it was a thought.

chastitycoyote said:
Tuxedo Cat might be referencing "The Cat In The Hat" character? Not that it matters here, but it was a thought.

It's a black cat with white on the tail/paws/muzzle/chest. It's currently a species tag.

No, not this again. https://e621.net/forum_topics/36246

We should keep it simple. Nobody cares if they're technically not a species.

kyiiel said:
We should keep it simple. Nobody cares if they're technically not a species.

+1

kyiiel said:
Nobody cares if they're technically not a species.

Folks did care when they got rid of "panther", still a stupid move to this day given its importance and how relatively popular as a term "panther" is to the furry community.

post #4521961

This isn't about the technicality of these not being actual breeds/species. It's about moving tags that describe markings and markings alone out of the species category and opening them up to be used on more species. It's silly to have a separate species tag for calico_cat when domestic_cat + calico_pattern would be simpler. If these tags served any specific purpose, I'd have no issue with them. From what I can tell, all the tabby_cat tag is good for is telling you that a character depicted only with line art has tabby stripes in lore.

Edit: Sorry, I thought this was obvious, but I just now realized I forgot to include this reasoning in my initial post, so the misunderstanding is on me lol.

Could you guys explain what your issues are so I can revise this BUR then? There's multiple problems here that need addressing, and I don't know which one you guys are disagreeing on.

oopsitripped said:
This isn't about the technicality of these not being actual breeds/species. It's about moving tags that describe markings and markings alone out of the species category and opening them up to be used on more species. It's silly to have a separate species tag for calico_cat when domestic_cat + calico_pattern would be simpler. If these tags served any specific purpose, I'd have no issue with them. From what I can tell, all the tabby_cat tag is good for is telling you that a character depicted only with line art has tabby stripes in lore.

Edit: Sorry, I thought this was obvious, but I just now realized I forgot to include this reasoning in my initial post, so the misunderstanding is on me lol.

I've never heard anyone say "calico pattern" or 'cat with calico pattern". Calico cats have always been just called calico cats. Same with tortoiseshell cats.

hjfduitloxtrds said:
I've never heard anyone say "calico pattern" or 'cat with calico pattern". Calico cats have always been just called calico cats. Same with tortoiseshell cats.

Calico cat = calico + cat? The "pattern" part is for disambiguation purposes only. The problem is that calico and tortishell are not patterns exclusive to cats either irl or in fiction. Same reason we don't have a separate tag for white tigers.

So should the [marking]_cat tags be kept and imply the individual markings then?

Other species absolutely can and do have these markings and it would be nice to be able to tag them. *_markings, *_pattern, whatever the name is. (*_markings might match other tags better though)
My issue isn't that they're not literally a species, we already have species tags for red fox color morphs and i think that's ok - my issue is that these patterns are not limited to cats, and yet the tags are.

Tuxedo:
post #3064183

Calico:
post #4537306 post #4363704 post #3745761 post #4159733
second one is more dilute calico

This is the best example I can find for a non-cat with a tortoiseshell pattern, because there's no tag for it.
post #4567708
In real life if a tricolor cat had that much white it would have large calico patches instead of the mottled tortie look, but this is furry art where anything goes.

Tabby is essentially the same as striped_body and may be better off aliased to that. Unless we want to differentiate between the different types of tabby patterns, which might be cool: mackerel, classic, spotted, ticked, and agouti. I think classic tabbies are so beautiful and would use a classic_tabby_markings tag if it existed.

This site is a really incredible resource for cat colors and patterns by the way, the best I've ever found and I use it all the time

cloudpie said:
Other species absolutely can and do have these markings and it would be nice to be able to tag them. *_markings, *_pattern, whatever the name is. (*_markings might match other tags better though)
My issue isn't that they're not literally a species, we already have species tags for red fox color morphs and i think that's ok - my issue is that these patterns are not limited to cats, and yet the tags are.

Tuxedo:
post #3064183

Calico:
post #4537306 post #4363704 post #3745761 post #4159733
second one is more dilute calico

This is the best example I can find for a non-cat with a tortoiseshell pattern, because there's no tag for it.
post #4567708
In real life if a tricolor cat had that much white it would have large calico patches instead of the mottled tortie look, but this is furry art where anything goes.

Tabby is essentially the same as striped_body and may be better off aliased to that. Unless we want to differentiate between the different types of tabby patterns, which might be cool: mackerel, classic, spotted, ticked, and agouti. I this classic tabbies are so beautiful and would use a classic_tabby_markings tag if it existed.

This site is a really incredible resource for cat colors and patterns by the way, the best I've ever found and I use it all the time

cloudpie said:
Other species absolutely can and do have these markings and it would be nice to be able to tag them. *_markings, *_pattern, whatever the name is. (*_markings might match other tags better though)
My issue isn't that they're not literally a species, we already have species tags for red fox color morphs and i think that's ok - my issue is that these patterns are not limited to cats, and yet the tags are.

Tuxedo:
post #3064183

Calico:
post #4537306 post #4363704 post #3745761 post #4159733
second one is more dilute calico

This is the best example I can find for a non-cat with a tortoiseshell pattern, because there's no tag for it.
post #4567708
In real life if a tricolor cat had that much white it would have large calico patches instead of the mottled tortie look, but this is furry art where anything goes.

Tabby is essentially the same as striped_body and may be better off aliased to that. Unless we want to differentiate between the different types of tabby patterns, which might be cool: mackerel, classic, spotted, ticked, and agouti. I this classic tabbies are so beautiful and would use a classic_tabby_markings tag if it existed.

This site is a really incredible resource for cat colors and patterns by the way, the best I've ever found and I use it all the time

why not keep *_cat tags, and simply add *_pattern tags for tagging other species?

The bulk update request #6817 (forum #393036) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.

oopsitripped said:
This isn't about the technicality of these not being actual breeds/species. It's about moving tags that describe markings and markings alone out of the species category and opening them up to be used on more species. It's silly to have a separate species tag for calico_cat when domestic_cat + calico_pattern would be simpler. If these tags served any specific purpose, I'd have no issue with them. From what I can tell, all the tabby_cat tag is good for is telling you that a character depicted only with line art has tabby stripes in lore.

Edit: Sorry, I thought this was obvious, but I just now realized I forgot to include this reasoning in my initial post, so the misunderstanding is on me lol.

In no way is breaking apart a tag with a more obscure scheme simpler.