The tag alias #69058 ambient_seagull -> ambient_gull is pending approval.

Reason: seagull aliases to gull because seagull is a nickname

This tag makes me depressed.
Can't even tell what birds those are from most instances, and on one where you can tell, they definitely are not gulls. Just because it's on beach, doesn't mean it's a gull...

If they're close enough to tell, they generally stop being ambient and become countable characters instead. Do we need this, or should it just be aliased to ambient_bird?

cloudpie said:
seagull is a nickname

what? my whole life is a lie, I always thought "gull" was just a short version of seagull...

genjar said:
... Do we need this, or should it just be aliased to ambient_bird?

Honestly, I'm thinking something along the lines of this too. How much detail do the ambient_* tags really need to go into? It would be a little absurd to have an ambient form of every single species tag.

The bulk update request #7327 is pending approval.

create alias ambient_gull (17) -> ambient_bird (1900) # duplicate of has blocking transitive relationships, cannot be applied through bur

Reason: Alternative
Although I'd like to point out, we do have ambient_owl implying ambient_bird. Sometimes you can tell even when they're unimportant to the scene (so, ambient)

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cloudpie said:

Reason: Alternative
Although I'd like to point out, we do have ambient_owl implying ambient_bird. Sometimes you can tell even when they're unimportant to the scene (so, ambient)

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The error is probably from your earlier alias request.

Yeah ambient_owl should be aliased to bird. If you can tell it's an owl it probably counts as a character

Ambient question: Would post #4467130 count as ambient_fish, or trio?

snpthecat said:
Yeah ambient_owl should be aliased to bird. If you can tell it's an owl it probably counts as a character

I don't think I'd agree. Something can be ambient even if there's enough detail to tell what it is... or at least make an educated guess. Especially with posts that are absurd_res, you can get detail in background elements that would classify as ambient for being a relatively small and minor detail to the overall image.

snpthecat said:
Ambient question: Would post #4467130 count as ambient_fish, or trio?

Trio since a focal character is directly interacting with it (I wouldn't call it ambient if there's some awareness of its existence within the image, such as a character holding it). However, if it or a couple of them were just floating aimlessly in the background, it would be ambient_fish.

watsit said:
Trio since a focal character is directly interacting with it (I wouldn't call it ambient if there's some awareness of its existence within the image, such as a character holding it). However, if it or a couple of them were just floating aimlessly in the background, it would be ambient_fish.

Don't corpses not count as characters anyway? And it looks pretty dead. Or am i mistaken about them not counting

snpthecat said:
If you can tell it's an owl it probably counts as a character

I can tell this one is an owl (the ear tufts and big eyes), and it's definitely ambient
post #1314639

cloudpie said:
I can tell this one is an owl (the ear tufts and big eyes), and it's definitely ambient
post #1314639

Yeah, definitely fits. So the ambient_[creature]s we want to keep are those with distinctive enough shapes that you can tell what they are without their other features

cloudpie said:
Don't corpses not count as characters anyway? And it looks pretty dead. Or am i mistaken about them not counting

Probably in the "ambient corpse" kind of way. If it's just some nondescript dead bodies lying on the ground to add ambience to the scene and aren't the main focus, they probably wouldn't count, but if a body would otherwise count that just happens to be dead, I think it should count.

cloudpie said:
I can tell this one is an owl (the ear tufts and big eyes), and it's definitely ambient
post #1314639

Though it's tagged duo+solo_focus, so it's being counted as a character despite also being tagged "ambient". Should that be changed to solo only?

watsit said:
Though it's tagged duo+solo_focus, so it's being counted as a character despite also being tagged "ambient". Should that be changed to solo only?

I think so yeah. Just changed it

cloudpie said:
Although I'd like to point out, we do have ambient_owl implying ambient_bird. Sometimes you can tell even when they're unimportant to the scene (so, ambient)

Owls are pretty recognizable, I see no issues tagging that — or other recognizable ambient critters. But most of the ambient_gull tag is just a ︶︶...