The bulk update request #7418 is pending approval.

create alias tailed_beast (672) -> tailed_beast_(naruto) (0) # duplicate of has blocking transitive relationships, cannot be applied through BUR
create implication shukaku (81) -> tailed_beast_(naruto) (0)
create implication matatabi_(naruto) (21) -> tailed_beast_(naruto) (0)
create implication isobu (5) -> tailed_beast_(naruto) (0)
create implication son_goku_(naruto) (5) -> tailed_beast_(naruto) (0)
create implication kokuo (6) -> tailed_beast_(naruto) (0)
create implication saiken (3) -> tailed_beast_(naruto) (0)
create implication chomei (3) -> tailed_beast_(naruto) (0)
create implication gyuki_(naruto) (10) -> tailed_beast_(naruto) (0)
create implication kurama (905) -> tailed_beast_(naruto) (0)

Reason: They are all tailed beasts.
Ten Tails apparently doesn't have a tag yet.

Characters don't imply species in case of alternate_species or cosplay.

watsit said:
Characters don't imply species in case of alternate_species or cosplay.

In this case it does.

About alternate species, it doesn't make sense for it to invalidate tailed beast here because a tailed beast isn't really a species. You can't tell by physical attributes alone if a character is a tailed beast or not, the only reason they are tailed beasts is because the author said they are. Every tail beast is so different from the others, how are you even supposed to alternate species a tailed beast in order for it not to be a tailed beast anymore?

About cosplay, if you cosplay a cat (like Felix the Cat), the felid tag is applicable, if you cosplay a dragon (like Spyro the Dragon), the scalie tag is applicable, if you cosplay as a tailed beast (like kurama), the tailed beast tag is applicable, no? There is nothing in the cosplay tag talking about it, other than "Cosplayed characters should be tagged as characters in the picture", which is more in favor of tagging the species of the cosplay than not.

It seems that tailed beast is less like a species tag and more akin to a group of characters tag.

Maybe making it a copyright tag would be better, a la team rocket

strikerman said:
Maybe making it a copyright tag would be better, a la team rocket

Not sure moving it to copyright is the right move. team rocket is copyright since it has its own recognisable iconography and thus can be depicted without any of the characters present

romanicyte2 said:
About alternate species, it doesn't make sense for it to invalidate tailed beast here because a tailed beast isn't really a species. You can't tell by physical attributes alone if a character is a tailed beast or not, the only reason they are tailed beasts is because the author said they are.

In that case I think it should be invalidated. If it can look like anything and is only based on author say-so, it's not useful. That's what got mimiffs nuked. Even hybrids of particular species are aliased away because there's no set definition for how they look beyond being some mix of the two species, it needs to be something more defined.

romanicyte2 said:
About cosplay, if you cosplay a cat (like Felix the Cat), the felid tag is applicable, if you cosplay a dragon (like Spyro the Dragon), the scalie tag is applicable

I don't think it is if it's just clothing and not representing a separate in-image entity. That's one of the counterpoints to having pokemon imply types of real animals (e.g. houndoom -> canine), that you would tag houndoom if someone is wearing a houndoom costume, but shouldn't tag canine for a canine costume.

I wouldn't want to invalidate the tag, I prefer moving it to copyright (or meta, or general - like akatsuki is), like suggested or just leaving it in species anyway.

watsit said:
I don't think it is if it's just clothing and not representing a separate in-image entity. That's one of the counterpoints to having pokemon imply types of real animals (e.g. houndoom -> canine), that you would tag houndoom if someone is wearing a houndoom costume, but shouldn't tag canine for a canine costume.

I wouldn't mind to tag canine in such cases, but I somewhat get the point.
Sure, cases of alternate species makes so we can't slave pokemon to real-like animals, but cosplays still shouldn't prevent it.

Besides everything, I still believe my implication bulk request is valid for this specific case.

watsit said:
In that case I think it should be invalidated. If it can look like anything and is only based on author say-so, it's not useful. That's what got mimiffs nuked. Even hybrids of particular species are aliased away because there's no set definition for how they look beyond being some mix of the two species, it needs to be something more defined.

Mimiff got obliterated because it was tagged on everything by a single user who had no connection to the characters being tagged. There are other instances of franchise-specific species that have no common elements, ie. duel monster or pokemon_(species). These are fine as they are at least the canon species of the characters, unlike mimiff which was just made up by a weird kid who was too young to even be on this site.

I don't think it is if it's just clothing and not representing a separate in-image entity. That's one of the counterpoints to having pokemon imply types of real animals (e.g. houndoom -> canine), that you would tag houndoom if someone is wearing a houndoom costume, but shouldn't tag canine for a canine costume.

I don’t really think pokemon should be tagged for costumes either. I’d rather they just be treated like other species tags. pokemon costume is a valid tag, and many specific Pokémon already have costume tags, ie. pikachu costume.

As for this BUR itself, it does seem to me like tailed beast is just a group of characters rather than a true species, so I’ll 👍 with the expectation that the tag category be changed as well, probably to the character category. There are already at least a few instances of a single character tag being used for groups of charters that belong together in some way.

scaliespe said:
Mimiff got obliterated because it was tagged on everything by a single user who had no connection to the characters being tagged. There are other instances of franchise-specific species that have no common elements, ie. duel monster or pokemon_(species). These are fine as they are at least the canon species of the characters, unlike mimiff which was just made up by a weird kid who was too young to even be on this site.

In my defense, I didn't know tailed beast was a Naruto-specific thing. The wiki doesn't clarify that with it's description

The tailed beasts (尾獣, bijū), sometimes referred to as "Chakra Monsters" (チャクラのバケモノ, Chakura no Bakemono), are the nine titanic living forms of chakra created by the Sage of Six Paths out of the chakra from the Ten-Tails. They are differentiated by the number of tails they have, ranging from one to nine.

And even then, having a link to Naruto doesn't necessarily mean it's from Naruto (Kurama being a fox demon is also a concept that exists elsewhere, so "tailed beasts" could be based on something earlier as well).

In such a case, I'd strongly suggest renaming the tag to tailed_beast_(naruto).

scaliespe said:
Mimiff

That was a rabbit hole. A pleasent sounding name if nothing else. Good riddance. Wish I could read the wiki's edit history.

If generation_x_pokemon is species, then I suppose so is this. Just rename it to tailed_beast_(naruto), as suggested.

watsit said:
In my defense, I didn't know tailed beast was a Naruto-specific thing. The wiki doesn't clarify that with it's description
And even then, having a link to Naruto doesn't necessarily mean it's from Naruto (Kurama being a fox demon is also a concept that exists elsewhere, so "tailed beasts" could be based on something earlier as well).

In such a case, I'd strongly suggest renaming the tag to tailed_beast_(naruto).

Fair, and that works for me too. In that case… I’ll leave my vote as a neutral until the OP changes the tag to include the suffix.

scaliespe said:
Fair, and that works for me too. In that case… I’ll leave my vote as a neutral until the OP changes the tag to include the suffix.

I did it and hopefully I did it right, since I'm not used to editing stuff like that here.

https://e621.net/tag_aliases/4728
this alias is blocking the first line, it seems.

The bulk update request #7521 is pending approval.

remove alias bijuu (0) -> tailed_beast (672)
remove implication tailed_beast (672) -> naruto (1799)
create implication tailed_beast_(naruto) (0) -> naruto (1799)

Reason: Reason written above.

coffeeco said:
https://e621.net/tag_aliases/4728
this alias is blocking the first line, it seems.

Not just that, the implication is too

snpthecat said:
Not just that, the implication is too

Oh gosh. I thought both implications said deleted.
Added. Thanks.