The tag implication #64070 stealthing -> questionable_consent is pending approval.

Reason: Stealthing is by definition a violation of consent on some level. Art like this should be treated with that gravity of being dub-con.

getamead said:
Reason: Stealthing is by definition a violation of consent on some level. Art like this should be treated with that gravity of being dub-con.

I don't think questionable_consent fits perfectly to all instances of stealthing, I think sometimes it's straight up nonconsensual/rape. Putting questionable_consent on straight up rape feels wrong.

ex. Character 1 is crying and resisting, Character 2 insists they'll use a condom, Character 1 acquiesces and stealthing happens. That's more rape than questionable consent.

There's also the argument that all instances of stealthing are nonconsensual/rape, which complicates things. It's definitely not consensual but that doesn't make it cleanly dubcon or noncon in all cases.

pankino2002 said:
I don't think questionable_consent fits perfectly to all instances of stealthing, I think sometimes it's straight up nonconsensual/rape. Putting questionable_consent on straight up rape feels wrong.

ex. Character 1 is crying and resisting, Character 2 insists they'll use a condom, Character 1 acquiesces and stealthing happens. That's more rape than questionable consent.

There's also the argument that all instances of stealthing are nonconsensual/rape, which complicates things. It's definitely not consensual but that doesn't make it cleanly dubcon or noncon in all cases.

I personally agree, but wanted to leave room for some stuff that is in a weird space thematically.

My reason for proposing the implication being there automatically is the fact that there is currently no implication at all, and a lot of people keep not tagging stealthing as rape or questionable consent.

It's a sticky situation. I'd be for it if there was some umbrella tag like lack_of_clear_consent which covers both dubcon and noncon, but I don't think such a tag would have much support, so I think it'd be better to either imply it to forced (since it's something forced on a partner without their consent) or to leave it as it is and put instructions in the wiki to tag either questionable_consent or rape.

It seems like stealthing is also severely undertagged. Just looking through sabotaged_condom, punctured_condom and broken_condom there's a lot of stealthing that goes untagged.