The tag implication #64723 turnaround -> model_sheet is pending approval.
Reason: Model sheets do not always contain turnarounds but turnarounds are always a part of a model sheet.
Topic: Tag implication: turnaround -> model_sheet
Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions
Plenty of examples of the tag used where that's not the case (mostly either a character literally turning around, or the camera moving around them). Perhaps that's not what the tag's meant for, but if so, it's badly named and this would be a bad implication anyway.
scth said:
Plenty of examples of the tag used where that's not the case (mostly either a character literally turning around, or the camera moving around them). Perhaps that's not what the tag's meant for, but if so, it's badly named and this would be a bad implication anyway.
how would it be a bad implication? And turnaround is literally the proper term for these, it is not a made up term specifically for e621. But humor me, what would you call it instead? I also just added a wiki to the tag over the weekend but havnt got around to cleaning it up yet but it seems to have been pretty consistent without a wiki so far baring the few walkcycles or turntables that one could count off the hand and 2 or 3 static images that dont belong.
Posts like these are definitely not model sheets and therefore shouldn't be tagged as such, but function the same as a turnaround on the model sheet to the point where I think the tag still applies:
ryu_deacon said:
how would it be a bad implication? And turnaround is literally the proper term for these, it is not a made up term specifically for e621. But humor me, what would you call it instead? I also just added a wiki to the tag over the weekend but havnt got around to cleaning it up yet but it seems to have been pretty consistent without a wiki so far baring the few walkcycles or turntables that one could count off a hand and 1 or 2 static images that dont belong.
Because nothing about a character being drawn or rendered in different angles necessarily means it's a model sheet, even if it usually would be. Also, the tag name could be interpreted as a character literally turning around (which isn't far off the definition in the wiki either). The tag name is fine for its current use, just without the implication.
Also, this implication would be from a general tag to a meta tag, which is never valid.
scth said:
Because nothing about a character being drawn or rendered in different angles necessarily means it's a model sheet, even if it usually would be. Also, the tag name could be interpreted as a character literally turning around (which isn't far off the definition in the wiki either). The tag name is fine for its current use, just without the implication.Also, this implication would be from a general tag to a meta tag, which is never valid.
Apologies but I am getting the impression that nether do you know what a model sheet is nor have you actually read the wiki of turnaround, and multiple_angles which is also tied to this given your response here.
Nether tag wiki allows for what your mention, and again the consistency of where the tag was applied before the wiki was added kinda disproves the notion that it would be applied on anything else but specific sets of angles on a model sheet, you will never get 100% compliance on any tag but this is very close to that even without the wiki.
In regard to the type of tag one, nowhere is such a condition actually spelled out and two, the type of tag can always be changed after the fact:/
kyureki said:
Posts like these are definitely not model sheets and therefore shouldn't be tagged as such, but function the same as a turnaround on the model sheet to the point where I think the tag still applies:
turntables are not turnarounds, they would be removed, please do a google search on: turnaround
The bulk update request #9202 is pending approval.
change category turnaround (165) -> meta
create implication turnaround (165) -> multiple_angles (9246)
Reason: turnarounds require multiple angles.
Well, then that BUR would be implying a meta tag to a general tag, even worse.
I think it would be best to keep turnaround allowed for posts like post #4741769, so turnaround multiple_angles would be the search to find what you want to use it for, and leave out the implications. That way there's a way to tag that concept, without making an overly specific tag.
scth said:
Well, then that BUR would be implying a meta tag to a general tag, even worse.
multiple_angles and it's relatives should be meta as well, they describe the format of the post, not the contents.
dba_afish said:
multiple_angles and it's relatives should be meta as well, they describe the format of the post, not the contents.
Fair, actually. I'm also not that opposed, outside of turnaround being easily confused with turn around, made more so by the fact that that's clearly where this interpretation came from.
ryu_deacon said:
turntables are not turnarounds, they would be removed, please do a google search on: turnaround
"Turnaround" is a common term meaning to turn around. It also being the accepted term for a model sheet showing a character from multiple angles doesn't remove it's other meanings. In this case, there are a lot of uses of it meaning a rotating view of a character (not necessarily a turntable), and the current oldest post with the tag kinda blurs the line between being a model sheet and a dakimakura design (lacking any character info details you expect in a model sheet, like the color palette, separate views of relevant body details, owner name, etc, and instead is just separate front and back views of a single pose). At best I'd say it's an ambiguous tag.
watsit said:
"Turnaround" is a common term meaning to turn around.
is it? I've never heard "turnaround" used as verb. the only definitions I'm aware of are the way this tag is used, the amount of time it takes to set something up to be used, and as a slightly less commonly used synonym of "turnabout".
dba_afish said:
is it? I've never heard "turnaround" used as verb. the only definitions I'm aware of are the way this tag is used, the amount of time it takes to set something up to be used, and as a slightly less commonly used synonym of "turnabout".
Well, you wouldn't have heard it, since turnaround and turn around verbally are identical. That's part of the problem.
scth said:
Well, you wouldn't have heard it, since turnaround and turn around verbally are identical. That's part of the problem.
I mean, not really? the rhythm and emphasis are different.
also, turning_around already exists, it already shows up first in the quick tag menu, its name makes more sense for this purpose logically, it's a general tag. we're splitting hairs here, I don't see any reasonable reason that turnaround isn't a perfectly reasonable tag with a perfectly reasonable tagname.
dba_afish said:
I mean, not really? the rhythm and emphasis are different.
Depends on who you're talking to, but it's all lost in text regardless.
dba_afish said:
also, turning_around already exists, it already shows up first in the quick tag menu, its name makes more sense for this purpose logically, it's a general tag. we're splitting hairs here, I don't see any reasonable reason that turnaround isn't a perfectly reasonable tag with a perfectly reasonable tagname.
Same for turntable_(animation), but that's not stopping people from tagging turnaround on inapplicable posts like them rather often (between all the non-model_sheet posts still tagged with turnaround, plus the posts that already had the tag removed). Splitting hairs or not, when a tag shows a not-insignificant amount of misuse, that suggests it's a tag name that's not that clear to users and something clearer should be considered. dock was recently changed despite similar arguments that it was a reasonable and accurate tag name for what it was, that regularly saw mistags for what it wasn't intended for. An implication that turns one regular mistag into two regular mistags isn't that good.
scth said:
Well, then that BUR would be implying a meta tag to a general tag, even worse.