It's ridiculous that nearly any time Amadose posts a new page of their comic that the comments section is almost immediately filled with people hating on the artist's portrayal of characters. It feels like it's from a place of people not liking a specific fetish, and then getting very upset that canon characters they like (but can't control how other people represent, since these characters aren't their own OCs) are portrayed by the artist doing things and acting in ways they don't like. The sheer level of disdain is itself offputting to people like me who like the content in question and it feels like BDSM artists that portray harder-than-usual fetishes in particular are the most likely to get targeted by this sort of thing.

So the question comes: at what point are people voicing valid criticism, and at what point is it crossing the line into "use your blacklist and move on" territory?

I cannot speak for the staff, so I am not gonna weight into what you are asking, but you could always report a comment with your concerns about it if you personally feel like it's going too far. I feel like it's better to alert staff to come check a situation out rather than allowing arguments and shit flinging that potentially need staff intervention to fester (better safe than sorry and all that).

angelbird said:
It's ridiculous that nearly any time Amadose posts a new page of their comic that the comments section is almost immediately filled with people hating on the artist's portrayal of characters. It feels like it's from a place of people not liking a specific fetish, and then getting very upset that canon characters they like (but can't control how other people represent, since these characters aren't their own OCs) are portrayed by the artist doing things and acting in ways they don't like. The sheer level of disdain is itself offputting to people like me who like the content in question and it feels like BDSM artists that portray harder-than-usual fetishes in particular are the most likely to get targeted by this sort of thing.

So the question comes: at what point are people voicing valid criticism, and at what point is it crossing the line into "use your blacklist and move on" territory?

If you see the same person complaining about the subject on multiple posts from the same artist I’m pretty sure that warrants a blacklist refusal report.

And yeah Amadose gets a lot of flak for no good reason. I get that it’s not vanilla Judy x nick, but it’s a well drawn comic depicting a not even that uncommon fetish.

If someone complains about stuff that can be blacklisted, they will get a strike if it gets reported in less than 30 days.
You can always report comments you feel that's worth a strike, at the end, the staff will decide and there you will know where they draw the line.

It's kinda funny how mad people get over Nick and Judy cuck content.

animalitodelbosque said:
If someone complains about stuff that can be blacklisted, they will get a strike if it gets reported in less than 30 days.

The report window is 6 months

donovan_dmc said:
The report window is 6 months

When did that change?
It's been a while but I once got a telling-off from admin for reporting a comment that was 3 weeks old.

magnuseffect said:
When did that change?
It's been a while but I once got a telling-off from admin for reporting a comment that was 3 weeks old.

I feel like I've only ever seen report tickets cancelled for being old at 6+ months. I remember that because it's also how long it takes for a record to be eligible for decay.

magnuseffect said:
When did that change?
It's been a while but I once got a telling-off from admin for reporting a comment that was 3 weeks old.

If by "a while ago" you mean almost 2 years ago then sure, a former staff member had an unofficial one month policy which vanished when they left
It has been 6 months for almost a year and a half

dba_afish said:
I feel like I've only ever seen report tickets cancelled for being old at 6+ months. I remember that because it's also how long it takes for a record to be eligible for decay.

And that's exactly why it's 6 months, the general idea being that if someone could get a record and have it decayed between now and when the comment was made, it isn't worth pursuing

donovan_dmc said:
If by "a while ago" you mean almost 2 years ago then sure, a former staff member had an unofficial one month policy which vanished when they left
It has been 6 months for almost a year and a half

I'm pretty sure multiple staff used to say one or three month, with tickets being closed by multiple staff for being over that time but still plenty before 6 months (though with admins having leeway to give records after that time depending on the actual problem). It was somewhat recently bumped up to 6 months along with a few other minor changes.

watsit said:
I'm pretty sure multiple staff used to say one or three month, with tickets being closed by multiple staff for being over that time but still plenty before 6 months (though with admins having leeway to give records after that time depending on the actual problem). It was somewhat recently bumped up to 6 months along with a few other minor changes.

Somewhat recently as in a year and a half ago? Because it was 6 months when I was brought on, and it hasn't been changed since then

donovan_dmc said:
Somewhat recently as in a year and a half ago? Because it was 6 months when I was brought on, and it hasn't been changed since then

No, within this year. Maybe internally and/or on Discord there was a different policy for longer, but public statements and stuff on this site told us shorter times until more recently.

watsit said:
No, within this year. Maybe internally and/or on Discord there was a different policy for longer, but public statements and stuff on this site told us shorter times until more recently.

It has been 6 months since I started, that's what I was trained on

Huh, when I started reading the tickets I've never seen any that were rejected due to being too (but below 6 months)

donovan_dmc said:
The report window is 6 months

Oh, it was like 30 days when I used to report stuff. Good thing it changed.

angelbird said:
at what point are people voicing valid criticism, and at what point is it crossing the line into "use your blacklist and move on" territory?

The shortest way I can paraphrase all I'm about to say is that nobody likes a Cynic except Diogenes (He was sincere and funny about it).

People should always use their blacklists. There is quite enough of every last other thing going wrong in this world, and expending one's emotional energy and mental clarity on, at the end of the day, a drawing, is waste of what could've gone into something more valid.

At the same time I have just about every franchise & company tag blacklisted, because there is a recurring and problematic theme I recognize.
People will take existing characters, universes, themes, without any experience, comprehension or investment in the show or film itself, and then "Furrywash" it.
They either make something without any awareness of something's depth, or they disregard that depth to just use the immediately visual properties of it.

There are some things I really care about, and to have so much Meaning rended from the Idea of that person, place, that thing, just for it to be carved up as some momentary, disposable thrill to consume and forget about?
That is incredibly disrespectful and arrogant to me, and if I don't have it in me to condemn it, I still endorse what legitimate grievances others may air out within reason.

I'm not saying parody shouldn't exist, and I'm not saying it's not valid, nor that someone has to automatically conclude that their work, parody or not, is going to be criticized, because what they're doing is inherantly offensive.
I'm saying there's an intersection between how members of certain communities, or users of certain platforms, are encouraged to commodify themselves, recuperate something, someone, through the process of that commodification.
And that sometimes, there really is nothing else to it besides attempting to capture a market (of attention) for engagement.

The difference between a parody and a product, to me, is the sincerity of the former.
Versus the cynicism of the other.

All that said, you can probably tell how I feel about the example you gave.
Another example I could give would be Zaush.
Whose own comic prompted somebody to create their own version of it out of spiteful disgust.

And to completely ignore furry porn for a moment I'm sure a lot of people can identify many of the same traits in hot takes and clickbait that hyperpoliticize something purely to exploit it, again, for attention, and thus web traffic, therefore revenue (for the website, not always the author).

angelbird said:
It feels like it's from a place of people not liking a specific fetish, and then getting very upset that canon characters they like (but can't control how other people represent, since these characters aren't their own OCs) are portrayed by the artist doing things and acting in ways they don't like.

For me it's mostly NSFW site where mostly nothing have sense about plot. Like John Carmack said "Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important". Forget about canonical things on OC and prepare for "ruining your childhood" moments. Because it's porn. What did you expected by looking porn of your favorite character?

animalitodelbosque said:
If someone complains about stuff that can be blacklisted, they will get a strike if it gets reported in less than 30 days.
You can always report comments you feel that's worth a strike, at the end, the staff will decide and there you will know where they draw the line.

Or simply follow text on your pfp and don't complain

letforeverfinallydie said:
At the same time I have just about every franchise & company tag blacklisted, because there is a recurring and problematic theme I recognize.
People will take existing characters, universes, themes, without any experience, comprehension or investment in the show or film itself, and then "Furrywash" it.
They either make something without any awareness of something's depth, or they disregard that depth to just use the immediately visual properties of it.

There are some things I really care about, and to have so much Meaning rended from the Idea of that person, place, that thing, just for it to be carved up as some momentary, disposable thrill to consume and forget about?
That is incredibly disrespectful and arrogant to me, and if I don't have it in me to condemn it, I still endorse what legitimate grievances others may air out within reason.

I'm not saying parody shouldn't exist, and I'm not saying it's not valid, nor that someone has to automatically conclude that their work, parody or not, is going to be criticized, because what they're doing is inherantly offensive.
I'm saying there's an intersection between how members of certain communities, or users of certain platforms, are encouraged to commodify themselves, recuperate something, someone, through the process of that commodification.
And that sometimes, there really is nothing else to it besides attempting to capture a market (of attention) for engagement.

Arh stopped their HNT comic wholesale due to people conflating their content with how they'd interact with BDSM IRL, and pushed someone using their own OCs separate from any canon, and those of eager participants, devoid of those same issues, so I doubt it's solely an issue of canon. That being said, there's a small handful of people who seem to actively seek out amadose's work to hatepost on it the instant a page is out and it feels much more like Zootopia having people within its fandom who conflate Judy and Nick as being real people where this supposed moral crusade is necessary to protect the sanctity of their relationship. They're fictional characters nobody in the fandom owns or has any claim on. Nobody has the right to tell others what expressive works are or aren't okay. Even if those expressive works are highly sexual in nature, or features kinks others aren't interested in, or otherwise is something people might otherwise find unpopular. Weirdly, Doxy made a comic featuring Judy Hopps gradually becoming a drug addict in a failed undercover sting operation. That one got significantly less pushback, even though it was covering harder content, perhaps because it was more porny.

On the latest post there was also a staggeringly polar and high number of comments and votes a few hours after it was uploaded to e6, and while I get Amadose's work is popular, I really wonder if it's intentionally brigading to try and control the opinion of others on the comic as a whole.

Or simply follow text on your pfp and don't complain

That's what i've been saying xD
I honestly don't understand why ppl get so mad about random furry porn that can be blacklisted, when they can just move on and enjoy the thousands of options this site has.

I made that pfp btw :3