The bulk update request #9599 has been rejected.

change category human (377920) -> general

Reason: There have been discussions in the past and as recently as 3 days ago as to whether body form tags should be counted as species or not. Do you believe body form tags should count as general tags or species tags?

Possibly these could be made into their own unique tag category but that would have to be something that an admin creates as that's outside the functionality of a BUR.

EDIT: The bulk update request #9599 (forum #423691) has been rejected by @Ryu_Deacon.

The bulk update request #9600 has been rejected.

change category humanoid (456333) -> general

Reason: ^^^^^

EDIT: The bulk update request #9600 (forum #423692) has been rejected by @Ryu_Deacon.

The bulk update request #9601 has been rejected.

change category anthro (3383191) -> species

Reason: ^^^^^

EDIT: The bulk update request #9601 (forum #423693) has been rejected by @Ryu_Deacon.

The bulk update request #9602 has been rejected.

change category feral (624522) -> species

Reason: ^^^^^

EDIT: The bulk update request #9602 (forum #423694) has been rejected by @Ryu_Deacon.

The bulk update request #9603 has been rejected.

change category taur (18654) -> general

Reason: ^^^^^

EDIT: The bulk update request #9603 (forum #423695) has been rejected by @Ryu_Deacon.

The bulk update request #9604 has been rejected.

change category ambiguous_form (3470) -> species
change category bipedal_feral (1249) -> species
change category busty_feral (4171) -> species
change category human_faced_feral (143) -> species
change category semi-anthro (31981) -> species
change category serpentine (16976) -> species
change category for_a_head (5897) -> species

Reason: ^^^^^

EDIT: The bulk update request #9604 (forum #423696) has been rejected by @Ryu_Deacon.

The bulk update request #9605 has been rejected.

change category object_head (4179) -> general
change category animal_head (1486) -> general
change category animate_inanimate (23362) -> general
change category bipedal_taur (110) -> general
change category draconcopode (12112) -> general
change category feral_taur (44) -> general
change category humanoid_taur (5516) -> general
change category long_taur (240) -> general
change category long_neck_taur (36) -> general
change category multi_taur (75) -> general
change category rear_taur (13) -> general
change category sphere_creature (809) -> general
change category undead (15623) -> general
change category waddling_head (4932) -> general

Reason: ^^^^^

EDIT: The bulk update request #9605 (forum #423697) has been rejected by @Ryu_Deacon.

ryu_deacon said:
Possibly these could be made into their own unique tag category but that would have to be something that an admin creates as that's outside the functionality of a BUR.

Along with a Contributors category (which would give us a place to stick VAs and modelmakers) and probably one or two other possibilities. But these aren't an Admin-only thing. They're a programmer-only thing, and that's not an easy thing.

The first post of this thread is contradictory to its stated purpose, because human is just straight-up not a body form. It's a species, no matter what fringe otherkin say. Regardless of what we do with the rest of the tags here, the human tag is irrelevant to the discussion.

lendrimujina said:
The first post of this thread is contradictory to its stated purpose, because human is just straight-up not a body form. It's a species, no matter what fringe otherkin say. Regardless of what we do with the rest of the tags here, the human tag is irrelevant to the discussion.

While technically it is a species irl, on e621 it serves as a body form tag, otherwise aliens and supernatural species that are indistinguishable from humans could not be tagged as human which in turn would go against TWYS.

ryu_deacon said:
Possibly these could be made into their own unique tag category but that would have to be something that an admin creates as that's outside the functionality of a BUR.

I can practically guarantee you this will never happen, aside from development and database concerns, a whole category for this would be pointless

donovan_dmc said:
I can practically guarantee you this will never happen, aside from development and database concerns, a whole category for this would be pointless

First off, how would these be pointless? These tags at end of the day are nether just species or like other general tags but rather something else entirely in their usage. A separate category for body form tags I don't think is any less relevant then the meta tag category is.

Secondly I am pretty sure this kind of argument was thrown around before prior to the creation of lore tag and meta tag categories. Nether of these existed when I first joined e621 but now they do and both are more or less forked from general. And seemingly no complaints that introducing these new categories has made the site worse.

PS: And on a unrelated note, why are you listed as necroing 1 and a half pages worth of dead forum threads???

ryu_deacon said:
First off, how would these be pointless? These tags at end of the day are nether just species or like other general tags but rather something else entirely in their usage. A separate category for body form tags I don't think is any less relevant then the meta tag category is.

Secondly I am pretty sure this kind of argument was thrown around before prior to the creation of lore tag and meta tag categories. Nether of these existed when I first joined e621 but now they do and both are more or less forked from general. And seemingly no complaints that introducing these new categories has made the site worse.

Nothing you said has been an argument for an entirely new category, what is the point. The meta and lore categories exist for information about then image or from outside sources, invalid is a whole different thing, what would be the point of some new category only for form tags. These tags are still entirely within TWYS and have no reason to be extracted into an entirely different category

Those categories also came to be when the site was completely rewritten, when adding a category was literally just a thing that could be done with no thought, now it would take days of migrations against the database and opensearch

I don't love how all of our species tags have to have mirrored *_humanoid and *_taur versions, so I'd be interested in potentially reworking how we do those. It'd probably be more complicated than just moving categories though

The bulk update request #9599 (forum #423691) has been rejected by @Ryu_Deacon.

The bulk update request #9600 (forum #423692) has been rejected by @Ryu_Deacon.

The bulk update request #9601 (forum #423693) has been rejected by @Ryu_Deacon.

The bulk update request #9602 (forum #423694) has been rejected by @Ryu_Deacon.

The bulk update request #9603 (forum #423695) has been rejected by @Ryu_Deacon.

The bulk update request #9604 (forum #423696) has been rejected by @Ryu_Deacon.

The bulk update request #9605 (forum #423697) has been rejected by @Ryu_Deacon.

wandering_spaniel said:
I don't love how all of our species tags have to have mirrored *_humanoid and *_taur versions, so I'd be interested in potentially reworking how we do those. It'd probably be more complicated than just moving categories though

We have separate tags because Humanoids are not counted as the species, they do imply the closest family tag though
I'm not sure how you'd get around that

human is both a form and species tag, and it goes in the species category because people expect it to be. But humanoid is a different matter. I don't think humanoid on its own is really a species, it's only a form.

It doesn't describe a classification of species like mammal, and but yet it admits a wide variety of characters based on their form.

Personally I think form in the species category makes sense. It's a modifier of species. It also would make it easier to eyeball what forms are currently tagged.

on that topic - anthro is general, and taur/animal_head/animal_humanoid is species. they all describe a body with a mix of human-like and animal features. merfolk, naga and lamia are other examples. they also are paired with the species tags the character may be based upon, same with feral. also animal_humanoid has the privilege of having its own subset of tags like _humanoid, others also have a subset of tags like wingless_dragon.

i don't know if putting anthro or feral into species would change things too much but i guess it would make sense. it would also boost feral up on the page when viewing.

are there any other "form" tags? im not sure if other form tags could argue its way into species anyway.

dinbyy said:
on that topic - anthro is general, and taur/animal_head/animal_humanoid is species. they all describe a body with a mix of human-like and animal features. merfolk, naga and lamia are other examples. they also are paired with the species tags the character may be based upon, including feral. also animal_humanoid has the privilege of having its own subset of tags like _humanoid, others also have a subset of tags like wingless_dragon.

i don't know if putting anthro or feral into species would change things too much but i guess it would make sense. it would also boost feral up on the page when viewing.

are there any other "form" tags? im not sure if other form tags could argue its way into species anyway.

One of the rejected BURs above has a bunch. Some like 'busty_feral' I'm a little 'eh' on as species, but for both busty and human_faced_feral having them up and prominently in the species category might help people learn what those tags are called, and potentially blacklist them since they weird a lot of people out.