Aliasing smg → submachine_gun
Link to alias

Reason:

submachine_gun is the more prevalent tag, and submachinegun has already been aliased to it.

I'm not sure if there are any other relevant acronyms that it would be tagged as, but I don't see any tagged at the moment so it's probably okay to do. +1 to this.

Related: I think this is probably also a convenient time to finish up with some of the gun tags that were already discussed in forum #148728. For convenience here's the main post:

I think most of these are already ready-to-go, but I thought it would be worth bringing up for discussion.

Cannon should imply ranged_weapon, but otherwise those seem fine for the most past.

Five implications for a single weapon seems a bit excessive, but I'm not sure if there's any way to trim those.

Sharp_Coyote said:
My memory, as porous as it is, is indicating to me that specific firearm names were to be avoided; no flame wars over a rifle being an RFB vs. an RFB/C. On e621, it is simply a rifle.

As such, specific firearm names should really be aliased to invalid_tag.

Many specific names have been cleaned up, yet they are beginning to creep back in ...

parasprite said:

• minigun^† (m134) - Could be aliased to m134/m134_minigun instead to prevent confusion, but I don't know if this is necessary.

I can just check that tag out from time to time. It shouldn't be too much of an issue.

• m4^† - Can be a carbine, a rifle, a submachine gun, a shotgun, an autocannon (whatever that means)...I have no idea what the most common is tbh. Alias to gun?

The M4 is the primary firearm of the US military and is used by about 50 others.

If anything, it should be aliased to assault rifle.
But if that were the case, the other specific weapons should be aliased too.

Suggest aliasing "smg" to "smig" to infuriate tosspots.

Follow through by aliasing all tags to a new tagset where everything is pronounced phonetically, then typed out in such a manner.

One thing I'd like to take this opportunity to point out is that it can be difficult to distinguish automatic shotguns from rifles. The only real way to tell the difference in some of these cases is to be familiar with the weapon.

For instance, the Russians went out of their way to make a shotgun that looks exactly like their army's main assault rifle. And the same people decided to make a sniper rifle that looks, you guessed it, exactly the same.

Now this is a very extreme example and the only one I can think of, so I'm not saying we should just toss out all the weapon sub-categories. There are some subtle differences in those weapons, but the artists themselves might not know them...

I wonder if there's an image site like this but with guns instead of furries and people getting upset because their gun is a shotgun but the policy has it tagged as an assault rifle.

Alright, I ran all aliases except for the tommy gun, and left the implications. I have no plans for the m4, but I'd rather just ignore it for the moment for simplicity.

I wonder if there's an image site like this but with guns instead of furries and people getting upset because their gun is a shotgun but the policy has it tagged as an assault rifle.

Now, feel free to shoot down this idea if you don't like it, but, I don't see howitzer-ves any purpose to mortar-fy my trans-gun by tagging it as a shotgun when it identifies as a sniper rifle. If it musket tagged by the TWYS policy, maybe we should have secondary tags to account for individual's headcannon. Tank you for your time. I'm gun-na go now, but I shell be back in a few hours.

"She's a fucking recoilless rifle, not a goddamn rocket launcher. The term 'Bazooka' is offensive and demeaning. I'm leaving this site unless you update your terminology."

parasprite said:
Alright, I ran all aliases except for the tommy gun, and left the implications. I have no plans for the m4, but I'd rather just ignore it for the moment for simplicity.

Gun list

• weapon
• ranged_weapon
• gun
• handgun
• pistol^† (implies gun but not handgun)
• desert_eagle^†
• revolver^† (implies gun but not handgun)
• rifle
• assault_rifle
• ak-47^†
• sniper_rifle
• machine_gun^†
• gatling_gun^†
• minigun^†
• shotgun
• sawed-off_shotgun ^†
• submachine_gun
• thompson_submachine_gun/tommy_gun/thompson_gun^† - forum #150668
• uzi^†

Misc. guns and related:

• ranged_weapon
• railgun^†
• raygun^†, laser_gun^†
• cannon^†

• m4^† Still not sure :V

^† Needs implication

*ahem* here's some more

M4 → assault_rifle
M1911 → handgun
M16 → assault_rifle

Alright, I've made the following changes:

• Alias: smg -> submachine_gun (OP approved)
• Alias: thompson_submachine_gun -> thompson_gun (approved) (related: forum #150668)
• Alias: tommy_gun -> thompson_gun (approved) (related: forum #150668)
• Alias: m4 -> assault_rifle (approved)
• Alias: m16 -> assault_rifle (approved)
• Alias: m1911 -> handgun (approved)
• Implication: thompson_gun -> submachine_gun (approved)
• Implication: railgun -> ranged_weapon (approved) - May change mind later, but this works for now
• Implication: raygun -> ranged_weapon (approved) - May change mind later, but this works for now
• Implication: laser_gun -> ranged_weapon (approved) - May change mind later, but this works for now
• Implication: cannon -> ranged_weapon (approved)
• Implication: uzi -> submachine_gun (approved)
• Implication: pistol -> gun (deleted) - Not needed anymore
• Implication: pistol -> handgun (approved)
• Implication: revolver -> gun (deleted) - Not needed anymore
• Implication: revolver -> handgun (approved)
• Implication: ak-47 -> assault_rifle (approved) - Because it's well-known
• Implication: machine_gun -> gun (approved)
• Implication: gatling_gun -> machine_gun (approved)
• Implication: minigun -> gatling_gun (approved)
• Implication: sawed-off_shotgun -> shotgun (approved)
• Implication: desert_eagle -> pistol (approved)

Looks good to me. Wow, guns seem like such a pain to tag.

parasprite said:

• Implication: revolver -> handgun (approved)

This is the only one I'm not totally on board with, because there are revolver-action long guns like this bastard child of a revolver and a shotgun.

I haven't checked for any exceptions like that yet though

Fenrick said:
Looks good to me. Wow, guns seem like such a pain to tag.

No kidding, I've learned a lot over the last couple months to say the least. To think that most of these didn't even end up implying gun when I started. :V

This is the only one I'm not totally on board with, because there are revolver-action long guns like this bastard child of a revolver and a shotgun.

I haven't checked for any exceptions like that yet though

It does technically have a revolving cylinder but I don't think there's much we can do to short of aliasing it to gun. I suppose if we ever come across something like this we can always use revolver_shotgun or the like instead.

parasprite said:
I suppose if we ever come across something like this we can always use revolver_shotgun or the like instead.

An interesting solution. Works for me.

Let us take a page from the CFPF (or Canadian Facist Policing Force, colloquially known as the 'RCMP'), who consider anything with a revolving cylinder to be a revolver (and thusly garner 'restricted' status).

Does not matter if is a pistol-hybrid (like the Taurus Judge), a revolver-carbine-hybrid or revolver-shotgun-hybrid (as posted above, the Rossi Circuit Judge), they all get tagged legally as revolver status in Kanuckistan.