Reason: gelding means castrated horse so it's not the same thing as a regular horse. If you search the word gelding right now you'll get a bunch of pictures without any geldings in them. It could be an implication, but it doesn't work as an alias.

Gelding is a species specific gender tag. We don't do those.

The problem is that it's stuck on to horse when not all horse pics have geldings in them. Alias it to castrated if you want, but the way it is now makes no sense.

I think I agree with this. If anything "gelding" should have been aliased to "castrated". A "gelding" is not necessarily a horse.

Char said:
I think I agree with this. If anything "gelding" should have been aliased to "castrated". A "gelding" is not necessarily a horse.

Same here. If you search for gelding, you get an assloadof horse pictures that don't have any obvious gelding in them.

makes sense to me, no gelding tag so it's not a problem with gender specific type tags, and returns better results for anyone who searches for "gelding".

Char said:
I think I agree with this. If anything "gelding" should have been aliased to "castrated". A "gelding" is not necessarily a horse.

A gelding is a horse. That's what the word means. Castrated horse. It's essentially a gender tag (we don't tag other characters specificially castrated_fox, castrated_wolf, etc) so why would this one be valid?

null0010 said:
A gelding is a horse. That's what the word means. Castrated horse. It's essentially a gender tag (we don't tag other characters specificially castrated_fox, castrated_wolf, etc) so why would this one be valid?

It's primarily used for horses but can mean any castrated animal. Your logic says to alias it to horse, and I'm saying alias it to "castrated" instead, since it doesn't necessarily mean a castrated horse.

A male that has had their testicles removed is still a male, therefore I would fully expect to see a picture of a gelding also tagged with "male" rather than just "gelding". Therefore, aliasing "gelding" to "castrated" makes more sense, since you'll never ever have a gelding without it being castrated, and this removes the limitation of the tag "gelding" applying only to horses on e621.

Char said:
I'm saying alias it to "castrated" instead

I can agree to that.

Hey there,

I'm sorry to bring this up again, but seeing as the problem still hasn't been fixed despite apparent resolution in this thread I'd like to reiterate that the tag gelding may imply a horse, but the tag horse doesn't necessarily imply a gelding.

As it stands searching for the tag gelding will yield a majority of images without any geldings in them. Removing this alias and instead applying it to the tag castrated, or castration would probably be a better solution.

Believe it or not, I actually care about this.

Also, you were the one who made the change in the first place, null. I figger that you ought to fix it after apparently changing your mind.

Null is no longer here. Not an admin, anyway.

Pseudonym said:
Also, you were the one who made the change in the first place, null. I figger that you ought to fix it after apparently changing your mind.

null has been gone for 4 months, and isn't even a mod anymore

I miss null

Who's null? ;o

6you7me said:
Who's null? ;o

Former admin.

It does make sense though.

It would still be aliased (which is good) but instead of leading people to "horse" (which has nothing to do with the specific concept of being gelded), it would lead people to "castrated" which might be closer to what they were searching for. Chances are, if they were specific enough to type "gelding" into the search bar in the first place, then they probably aren't looking for something as simple as a regular "horse". It just sounds like a better redirect to me, which in turn improves the site just a little bit more. I think it's a good idea.

I deleted the alias as originally agreed upon, but I've also just realized that "castrated" is currently aliased to "castration", which seems a bit odd considering one is the actual act of castrating, and the other is just a male whose balls have been removed. Currently a search for "castrated" returns both castrated males and males that are currently undergoing castration.

Should another thread be started about unaliasing castrated -> castration?

@Char:
I'd say yes but your face kinda distracts me... Don't change it, tho.

Xch3l said:
@Char:
I'd say yes but your face kinda distracts me... Don't change it, tho.

I made that.
Well, edited it from his old :< faced avatar.
I figured since he doesn't have to be head admin anymore he could be a bit more jolly.
Also, I was up very late at night, unable to sleep, and bored.

Char said:
...considering one is the actual act of castrating, and the other is just a male whose balls have been removed. ...
Should another thread be started about unaliasing castrated -> castration?

That is a bit odd. My guess is that things got muddied (someone tagged both or the wrong one for too long) and people decided that aliasing was easier than untangling them. The wiki article for "castration" also reflects some frustration at past tag messes between "castration" "neuter" and "penectomy" so without knowing the timeframes on all of that, I'd guess a past tag mess (and frustration about it) was probably why they got conflated together. To me that just says that maybe the wikis weren't clear enough on distinguishing them comparatively, which happens.

But separating them makes sense. Maybe with a wiki update to emphasize the difference between them comparatively (when to use which, etc)? So yeah, I'd vote for UNaliasing castrated---> castration. And then still aliasing gelding ---> castrated. It'd be an improvement.

I created a new thread for castrated/castration/neuter here: http://e621.net/forum/show/80759

ippiki_ookami said:
null has been gone for 4 months

He sent me a DMail a month back. He probably still lurks.