The title pretty much speaks for itself.. So why the ton of "Drawn on the back of a placemat" scribblings the past few months?

What the hell is VCL?

FatherOfGray said:
What the hell is VCL?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=vcl

FatherOfGray said:
What the hell is VCL?

Video Cassette Lecolder. T's basic Chinese! :P

FoxFourOhFour said:
The title pretty much speaks for itself.. So why the ton of "Drawn on the back of a placemat" scribblings the past few months?

Whaddya mean with that? o_o

Xch3l said:
Whaddya mean with that? o_o

I'm not sure what they mean either. Sketches are good too. Maybe they just don't like traditional media? I'm flummoxed.

The quality control from the mods keeps this place from being like FA with all the terrible 12 year old drawings. This place has higher standards than 99% of other furry websites.

FatherOfGray said:
What the hell is VCL?

Damn, people don't remember VCL anymore? That's saying something 

TheHuskyK9 said:
Damn, people don't remember VCL anymore? That's saying something 

I dont know what VCL is, but I know what VCR is :V

So... what is VCL??

Butterscotch said:
So... what is VCL??

http://us.vclart.net/vcl/
It used to be "the largest furry/anthropomorphic site on the Internet"

TheHuskyK9 said:
http://us.vclart.net/vcl/
It used to be "the largest furry/anthropomorphic site on the Internet"

I have no freaking clue what I'm supposed to look for on the site, there doesn't seem to be a very organized method to search that doesn't fill up the screen with walls of text.

Xch3l said:
Whaddya mean with that? o_o

Things like https://e621.net/post/show/393817/looking_at_viewer-mega_man_-character-mega_man_-se and https://e621.net/post/show/393750/anthro-breasts-demon-female-hair-hooves-horn-hybri

Pyke said:
The quality control from the mods keeps this place from being like FA with all the terrible 12 year old drawings. This place has higher standards than 99% of other furry websites.

Still waiting for someone to invent a way to stop posts from THE FUTURE before they burn my eyes.

Moon_Moon said:
I have no freaking clue what I'm supposed to look for on the site, there doesn't seem to be a very organized method to search that doesn't fill up the screen with walls of text.

And that is why it went downhill. Newer sites popped up with simpler interfaces and designs.

FoxFourOhFour said:

Still waiting for someone to invent a way to stop posts from THE FUTURE before they burn my eyes.

Blacklist status:pending , that'll allow hide all images that weren't approved yet.

FoxFourOhFour said:
Things like https://e621.net/post/show/393817/looking_at_viewer-mega_man_-character-mega_man_-se and https://e621.net/post/show/393750/anthro-breasts-demon-female-hair-hooves-horn-hybri

Well, first one will probably go while the second is likely to stay here (NMNY usually takes care of this). It is rather cute, imo.

Edit: We also have several sketched drawings. Some are good (post #316312), some not bad (post #393777) and some... not at all (post #187000)

NotMeNotYou said:
Blacklist status:pending , that'll allow hide all images that weren't approved yet.

This will help. Hopefully.

The point I was trying to make is too many seem to be under the assumption this is a personal gallery. That and I have no idea how some of these get upvoted past +1.. Unless it's a case of multiple accounts, Multiple votes. I know there's been issues with that in the past.

FoxFourOhFour said:
...
The point I was trying to make is too many seem to be under the assumption this is a personal gallery...

Hi Pot, meet Kettle.
Imposing your personal quality standards on someone else's site makes you as bad as anyone else for treating the site as "your personal gallery".
Leave the quality filtering to the Admins.

The fact that they get multiple up votes means multiple people like the pictures in question.
Some people in this world will like things that you don't like.
You should probably get used to it, it happens all the time.

FatherOfGray said:
What the hell is VCL?

First result I got is this.

TheHuskyK9 said:
http://us.vclart.net/vcl/

Vampire Cheerleaders sounds better.

Guess why I stopped my high quality uploads.
It's not worth it with this "community".

FoxFourOhFour said:
The title pretty much speaks for itself.. So why the ton of "Drawn on the back of a placemat" scribblings the past few months?

This is what happens as websites become more popular. e621 started off as the site that you uploaded all the nice stuff to that you found on all of the more active or popular sites. But now e621 itself has become one of the most popular furry websites on the internet. People who are looking to get noticed want to upload their artwork to the place(s) where that's most likely to happen.

You know how mostly everyone uploads to FA right now because it's so popular? That'll start happening to e621 more and more too. The admins will continue enforcing quality control, but there's only so much we can keep out while not looking like we're being total snobs over art quality.

Char said:
looking like we're being total snobs over art quality.

There is nothing wrong about that.
Nothing at all.

Der_Traubenfuchs said:
Guess why I stopped my high quality uploads.
It's not worth it with this "community".

Considering the only two pictures you uploaded that were massively downvoted was a Nazi propaganda picture and a sonic mpreg that had more jpg artifacts than quality I can see why you're so upset.

Char said:
You know how mostly everyone uploads to FA right now because it's so popular? That'll start happening to e621 more and more too. The admins will continue enforcing quality control, but there's only so much we can keep out while not looking like we're being total snobs over art quality.

There's nothing snobbish about trying to maintain the same level of quality people made this site popular for in the first place. There's plenty of "I CAN DREW!" sites catering to furries already out there, And you can see what's happened to a lot of them since. I don't think it's too much to expect it stay high quality.

FoxFourOhFour said:
There's nothing snobbish about trying to maintain the same level of quality people made this site popular for in the first place. There's plenty of "I CAN DREW!" sites catering to furries already out there, And you can see what's happened to a lot of them since. I don't think it's too much to expect it stay high quality.

Maintaining the same level of quality is exactly what we're doing, or trying to do at least. But we're going to be getting MORE of the lower quality stuff as the site grows in popularity, because there's simply way more mediocre artists out there than great artists. That much doesn't really have anything to do with our quality standards.

Not to mention I'm fairly certain that both of the example posts you linked are going to end up deleted (or at least the first one for sure), since they haven't been approved yet either.

What some people seem to be wanting instead is a raising of our quality standards to stem the influx of new inexperienced artists that the site will continue to go through. I would say that driving artists off of e621 isn't exactly a winning strategy. Everyone has to start somewhere, and those artists who are treated poorly on e621 from the start might not be too willing to have their future (and potentially better) artwork on the site. Obviously most of these artists will never be "great", of course, but it's still kind of a political and PR issue.

Char said:
What some people seem to be wanting instead is a raising of our quality standards to stem the influx of new inexperienced artists that the site will continue to go through. I would say that driving artists off of e621 isn't exactly a winning strategy. Everyone has to start somewhere, and those artists who are treated poorly on e621 from the start might not be too willing to have their future (and potentially better) artwork on the site. Obviously most of these artists will never be "great", of course, but it's still kind of a political and PR issue.

But how are they going to get any better without making shit art in the first place. Although it wouldn't be all that necessary to post said art...

Der_Traubenfuchs said:
Guess why I stopped my high quality uploads.
It's not worth it with this "community".

Then why are you still here?

Conker said:
Then why are you still here?

The availability of relevant content with good tagging is still high. The tag search on here is unmatched. If I wake up and know I want to masturbate to a specific fetish I know I will find it here.

Most "Major" pieces by the well known artists are uploaded anyways.
Yet many other areas are covered spotty at best.
Few people look in the Scrap folders or beyond fur affinity on other accounts.
For example, check out all my patto uploads: Lots of them are from y-gallery, the fur affinity scraps section or were simply overlooked or ignored in the main gallery.

The constant fear of missing a few pictures by one of my desired artists and having to personally skim through several accounts to get all relevant images for my current fap marathon makes me feel very unhappy sometimes.

Munkelzahn said:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=vcl

Thanks, I appreciate it. :>

Der_Traubenfuchs said:
If I wake up and know I want to masturbate to a specific fetish I know I will find it here.

..having to personally skim through several accounts to get all relevant images for my current fap marathon makes me feel very unhappy sometimes.

I did not need to know that. Also if you like the selection of art and tagging on the site, then it seems this "community" is worth it or you would have long left this place.

Conker said:
I did not need to know that. Also if you like the selection of art and tagging on the site, then it seems this "community" is worth it or you would have long left this place.

1) You DID ask. 2) He can like the content without liking the people.

123easy said:
1) You DID ask. 2) He can like the content without liking the people.

1. I didnt ask about his penis nor what he masturbates to.
2. If he likes the site so much he can help improve it, this has nothing to do with liking anyone.

Heh, I still have a VCL folder in my browser bookmarks from way back when. The interface wasn't too bad, but it did rely more on artists organizing their work into folders with meaningful filenames.

http://us.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Max-Black-Rabbit/

One thing it had that I liked was a meta-folder for new content. You could stick "/.New/" onto a URL and get a list of art that had been added in the last couple weeks or so, like this http://us.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Max-Black-Rabbit/.New/

Pyke said:
The quality control from the mods keeps this place from being like FA with all the terrible 12 year old drawings. This place has higher standards than 99% of other furry websites.

I understand what a "minimum quality standards" policy is trying to accomplish, I really do, but it and this sentiment really rubs me the wrong way. It's little more than a less-than-subtle way of telling people "go away until you don't suck".

And both of those implications are simply wrong. FA is not worse than e621 because it's more inclusive of "bad" art, and being a "12 year old" has nothing to do with artistic skill.

I guess we're just lucky that people like Adam Wan, Narse, Zen, Tojo the Thief, and $your_favorite_artist weren't told to go away when they started showing people their first drawings.

There's nothing to celebrate about being a snob.

DrNick said:
Tojo the Thief

But Tojo the Thief is on dnp list.

furballs_dc said:
But Tojo the Thief is on dnp list.

You're joking.....right?

Edit: Tojyo is dnp, not Tojo. Scared me for a second

Ah. =^.^;=

DrNick said:
I understand what a "minimum quality standards" policy is trying to accomplish, I really do, but it and this sentiment really rubs me the wrong way. It's little more than a less-than-subtle way of telling people "go away until you don't suck".

The issue is that this kind of just happened naturally on the site when it was less popular. The only people uploading were people who browse FA/IB/lulz/etc, and they usually just wouldn't upload crap quality stuff. They acted as a filter between the artists and e621 users.

With artists skipping the middle man and just uploading artwork themselves, that filter is gone. I'm not saying I necessarily have a problem with this, as we do want to encourage artists to upload their own artwork, but I'm just trying to explain what people are seeing here.

Char said:
The issue is that this kind of just happened naturally on the site when it was less popular. The only people uploading were people who browse FA/IB/lulz/etc, and they usually just wouldn't upload crap quality stuff. They acted as a filter between the artists and e621 users.

With artists skipping the middle man and just uploading artwork themselves, that filter is gone. I'm not saying I necessarily have a problem with this, as we do want to encourage artists to upload their own artwork, but I'm just trying to explain what people are seeing here.

I just find it slightly irritating when artists upload their mspaintart/ponygeneratorimage expecting the hugbox of FA but only find reality. With no option to hide all the comments that critique your picture from everyone else, they can't pretend like their art is perfect anymore, and then they take it out on the site via spreading rumors about art theft, or abuse, or other bullshit like that.

Moon_Moon said:
I just find it slightly irritating when artists upload their mspaintart/ponygeneratorimage expecting the hugbox of FA but only find reality. With no option to hide all the comments that critique your picture from everyone else, they can't pretend like their art is perfect anymore, and then they take it out on the site via spreading rumors about art theft, or abuse, or other bullshit like that.

Sad but unfortunately true.
I have arts but I keep them elsewhere. I don't have enough stuff to really bother posting here and it's a pretty... Different style. :P

Moon_Moon said:
I just find it slightly irritating when artists upload their mspaintart/ponygeneratorimage expecting the hugbox of FA but only find reality. With no option to hide all the comments that critique your picture from everyone else, they can't pretend like their art is perfect anymore, and then they take it out on the site via spreading rumors about art theft, or abuse, or other bullshit like that.

I find it funny when the artist notices they cant remove comments, then makes a comment to tell users to remove their own comments and stop making criticism or they will get an admin to ban them. When that doesn't work, they make about 3 or so support tickets over and over for removing comments even after they have been told no. XD

I uploaded a picture here a few months back. First comment I got was "why is this so ugly?" When I stated that I would like ACTUAL constructive criticism to get better, I was told I was butthurt. "Why is this so ugly" is NOT constructive criticism. I have not uploaded anything here since. And I'm sure someone will call me butthurt for that too.

JustSayin said:
I uploaded a picture here a few months back. First comment I got was "why is this so ugly?" When I stated that I would like ACTUAL constructive criticism to get better, I was told I was butthurt. "Why is this so ugly" is NOT constructive criticism. I have not uploaded anything here since. And I'm sure someone will call me butthurt for that too.

Well, was it ugly? You're hiding behind a freshly made account, so I can't judge it myself.

Sorry you can't handle people on the internet, though. Must really make life on here difficult.

JustSayin said:
I uploaded a picture here a few months back. First comment I got was "why is this so ugly?" When I stated that I would like ACTUAL constructive criticism to get better, I was told I was butthurt. "Why is this so ugly" is NOT constructive criticism. I have not uploaded anything here since. And I'm sure someone will call me butthurt for that too.

I have a feeling that you and Kattlarv are going to be good friends.

JustSayin said:
I uploaded a picture here a few months back. First comment I got was "why is this so ugly?" When I stated that I would like ACTUAL constructive criticism to get better, I was told I was butthurt. "Why is this so ugly" is NOT constructive criticism. I have not uploaded anything here since. And I'm sure someone will call me butthurt for that too.

You have to understand that not every user agrees with you. People have different opinions/views and some people are more rude or nicer than others. I agree that that one user was rude but you stopped uploading from a few negative comments? That's a bit excessive

JustSayin said:
I uploaded a picture here a few months back. First comment I got was "why is this so ugly?" When I stated that I would like ACTUAL constructive criticism to get better, I was told I was butthurt. "Why is this so ugly" is NOT constructive criticism. I have not uploaded anything here since. And I'm sure someone will call me butthurt for that too.

I think people on e621 pretty much always assume that the artwork is being uploaded by someone other than the artist or character owner (which obviously isn't the case, as I explained a few posts above). What this means is that people often are going to talk about the artwork amongst each other, rather than think they're replying directly to an artist (like on FA). That's why you'll notice that comments on e621 often seem harsher than other sites, because they're not talking to you, they're talking to "whoever".

Often what this means is you'll get the ugly, unfiltered truth of what people think about your artwork. There's a BIG difference between a site like FA, where an artist is directly presenting their work to their audience (their watchers), and e621, where artwork is posted by anyone for everyone. You'll often find that while a post on FA receives lots of praise from an artist's watchers, the same post on e621 will get picked apart by users who are just not impressed and have no reservations telling everyone else that they think the art is bad.

Still, if you're saying that you stopped uploading to e621 because a single user (whose comments may have been breaking rules to begin with) didn't provide you with the constructive criticism that you asked for, I think you probably ended your time on the site very prematurely.

Of course, this does depend on the artwork too. I mean if the general consensus among people is that the artwork isn't any good, uploading more of it isn't going to change their mind unless the artwork is getting better.

Where FA is a hugbox, E6 is more like a Bludgeon you, Teabag your head, Take photos, Point and laugh site. But most of the art is nice!

FoxFourOhFour said:
Where FA is a hugbox, E6 is more like a Bludgeon you, Teabag your head, Take photos, Point and laugh site. But most of the art is nice!

Not quite. More like "ot hold back from telling you the bare truth of their feelings". What you described is more like /b/.

123easy said:
Not quite. More like "ot hold back from telling you the bare truth of their feelings". What you described is more like /b/.

This is the correct answer I think. Again, the majority of views that an artist will get on FA will come from their own watchers (aka fans). Generally, fans of artists don't tell artists to their face that they think their latest creation needs work, or that the anatomy or proportions are wrong. They tell them "This is hot!" or "I want a turn with that big sexy wolf next!", etc. Rarely is the actual quality of the artwork mentioned, unless the artwork truly is at least above-average.

Char said:
This is the correct answer I think. Again, the majority of views that an artist will get on FA will come from their own watchers (aka fans). Generally, fans of artists don't tell artists to their face that they think their latest creation needs work, or that the anatomy or proportions are wrong. They tell them "This is hot!" or "I want a turn with that big sexy wolf next!", etc. Rarely is the actual quality of the artwork mentioned, unless the artwork truly is at least above-average.

Yet when users do tell them this, they go on a massive "hidden comment" spree, to hide any criticism to their "masterpiece" so they can say its "100% perfect" without letting others see any criticism to the off placed hand, too thin body, or boobs that are the shape of basketballs. If that user dares gives criticism to another image the artist made they then just block the user from making comments...which they cant here (aka good thing)

I also notice this with writing stories on fa, if you dare correct a lot of typos or grammar errors in the image/story the owner just hides every single comment and if it keeps up blocks them, even though they helped fix their massive errors.

In continuation to the whole "others putting the artist's work on here part", that's why I like e621. As an artist, a big side effect of the site(I'm saying besides the torrent of good looking art) is that the entire site serves almost as a bar to gauge where your art lies out there. If it makes it on here, you're probably doing pretty well for yourself. It's not a site that is or really should be geared towards accommodating any new or small time artist, or dare I say it, artists at all. I mean, the entire site's basically a huge filing cabinet.

And nothing of value was gained.