laura_westrate -> invalid_tag?

She's an artist and her artist tag is invalid? Why?

Is there nothing about it in the forums?

Edit: Just checked and there's nothing about it in the forums.

Patch said:
Is there nothing about it in the forums?

No, but I found out who did it

TheHuskyK9 said:
No, but I found out who did it

Well that's weird. It shouldn't be invalid_tag unless she wants to be put on the DNP list. Even then, the invalid_tag shouldn't even be used in that situation.

/confuz

https://e621.net/take_down/show/1845

NotMeNotYou said:
https://e621.net/take_down/show/1845

So she doesn't want to take credit for her artwork? That's...interesting

NotMeNotYou said:
https://e621.net/take_down/show/1845

But shouldn't it be aliased to avoid_posting and the artist put on the DNP list?

Patch said:
But shouldn't it be aliased to avoid_posting and the artist put on the DNP list?

Well... The artist did say in the request that the art can stay. So it doesn't seem right to DNP it.

I guess those images should be tagged with anonymous_artist now.

If that's the case, I'm going to continue with fixing the images tagged with invalid_tag. My question has been answered

TheHuskyK9 said:
So she doesn't want to take credit for her artwork? That's...interesting

This is stupid....now none of the art has the proper artist tag which just screwed up our tags. Take down requests should not effect what tags are on images as a way to force us to change how we tag things.

Conker said:
This is stupid....now none of the art has the proper artist tag which just screwed up our tags.

Mission accomplished I'd say.

Conker said:
Take down requests should not effect what tags are on images as a way to force us to change how we tag things.

There is no "change on how we tag things" there are just artists that aren't fine with being tagged while they don't care if we host their works or not.
And given this, if they don't wish to be tagged so be it, the images can still be found normally, just not by the artist name.
And having a couple images more on the unknown_artist tag won't suddenly cripple the search system.

NotMeNotYou said:
Mission accomplished I'd say.

There is no "change on how we tag things" there are just artists that aren't fine with being tagged whi-

Yeah couldnt find a better way to word it, but I dont agree that take down requests should effect tags used for artists names. It does mess the tag system up a bit, perhaps it shouldnt be invalid tag.

There is no better tag for that which I would know of, except maybe unknown_artist directly to save a step, but that may be confusing or undesirable because looking at the aliases of unknown_artist would still allow for the association of some artwork with the name.

NotMeNotYou said:
There is no better tag for that which I would know of, except maybe unknown_artist directly to save a step, but that may be confusing or undesirable because looking at the aliases of unknown_artist would still allow for the association of some artwork with the name.

Well the tag anonymous_artist seems to work. As unknown is used for artists not known then found, but anonymous_artist is used for artist who rather let their work fall into anon land.

Could it be aliased to anonymous_artist? I think that would work better...

Conker said:
Could it be aliased to anonymous_artist? I think that would work better...

It's not exactly anonymous if the artists name is visible on the tag alias list, though..

But I agree that it's better suited for them than unknown_artist. Since the latter is mostly used for unidentified artists, instead of those who wish to remain unnamed.

Just so you guys are aware, you can always view the "reason" for an alias on the aliases page: https://e621.net/tag_alias?query=laura_westrate&aliased_to=&user=&approved=all&order=tag

As far as using "anonymous_artist", it's really not a good choice because then people can just search for "anonymous_artist" in the aliases list and start trying to do a process of elimination. Having things aliased "anonymous_artist" is kind of like saying "the artist is anonymous, but is one of the artists aliased to anonymous_artist". That narrows it down pretty far considering we have less than 10 artists who have told me in the past that they don't want their name used on the site.

The most secure option is to have them aliased to invalid_tag, which has a million other things aliased to it as well, and doesn't give any impression on the post itself that the artist is possibly one of a few that have been aliased to anonymous_artist.

Char said:
As far as using "anonymous_artist", it's really not a good choice because then people can just search for "anonymous_artist" in the aliases list and start trying to do a process of elimination.

The same could be said of aliasing it to unknown or invalid tag.

Char said:

Having things aliased "anonymous_artist" is kind of like saying "the artist is anonymous, but is one of the artists aliased to anonymous_artist". That narrows it down pretty far considering we have less than 10 artists who have told me in the past that they don't want their name used on the site.

The most secure option is to have them aliased to invalid_tag, which has a million other things aliased to it as well, and doesn't give any impression on the post itself that the artist is possibly one of a few that have been aliased to anonymous_artist.

Would you rather users just keep readding the artists username in different ways to pass a filter so the art is actually tagged with some kind of artist then? If you rather not have it aliased then at least have someone go around manually changing it.

But really its never truly anon as we can see the take down request and reason, so we might as well make an alias, as there is no real way to hide their name from users who actually know how to use this site vs users that just know how to use a post search bar.

They don't want to be associated with the art, sorting through invalid tag won't bring you to the art, neither will searching the artist's name once invalid_tag is removed from the image (which is supposed to happen all 24h). So yes, this is rather effective.

Conker said:
The same could be said of aliasing it to unknown or invalid tag.

Scenario 1: you stumble across an image tagged with "anonymous_artist". Being the savvy e621 user you are, you decide to check to see if any tags are aliased to "anonymous_artist" by searching our aliases and you're then able to narrow it down to 10 possible artists. That is not good.

Scenario 2: you stumble across an image tagged with "invalid_tag". Basically, that alone stops you in your tracks. Is it tagged with "invalid_tag" because someone tried to tag it with an invalid tag, or because an artist wishes to remain anonymous? You have no idea, and that's the whole point.

Conker said:
Would you rather users just keep readding the artists username in different ways to pass a filter so the art is actually tagged with some kind of artist then? If you rather not have it aliased then at least have someone go around manually changing it.

I don't think this has happened at any point in the history of my time on the site. Again, this isn't something new we just started doing; we've been doing this for years now. It's not been a problem yet to my knowledge, and I expect that to continue to be the case. I'm sure we can handle it if it ever actually does become a problem.

Conker said:
But really its never truly anon as we can see the take down request and reason, so we might as well make an alias, as there is no real way to hide their name from users who actually know how to use this site vs users that just know how to use a post search bar.

This isn't just about the artwork that already exists on the site, it's about future artwork too. The artist has already basically said that they're fine with the artwork being on the site, they just don't want their name attached to it. That's a very small price for e621 to pay in exchange for more artwork, in my opinion.

Conker, some people can not have their name traced back to adult work. If they tell us they are okay with our site hosting their artwork but don't want to be attached to it, we have to either take down all the art, or not have them credited to the art.

Now although taking down all their art just to preserve the tag system is great, it really defeats the purpose of even having them correctly tagged as the art will be deleted and not viewable by anyone

If we just remove their name on the art and don't credit them (at their request) then at least we still have the content, and really that is the single most important thing our site needs, the posts

We are going to choose keeping the art because that really is more important than preserving the tags

So much for her name not being mentioned on the site.

Moon_Moon said:
So much for her name not being mentioned on the site.

Good point. Can we get name references scrubbed?

Do what the movie industry does. Alias it to something like 'Alan Smithee'

123easy said:
Good point. Can we get name references scrubbed?

His name was Robert Paulson...oh wait, erm I mean, Her name was Aura Westrate...Her name was Aura Westrate...ect ect

...I'm talking about in this thread. Otherwise, it's gonna be sorta obvious. That, or lock this topic where only admins can see it, I dunno.