Hi, couldn't find help on this anywhere, and I don't see a way to do it.

Is there a way to sort search results starting with the highest ranked posts?

https://e621.net/help/cheatsheet#Searching_Sorting

You can use order:score or order:score_asc (for less to more) to sort results by votes or order:favcount to sort by number of times favorited

You may also check on "(Search help)" above the search box or here https://e621.net/help/cheatsheet (which is the same) for more options

Edit: Derp, Flutters got first, but anyway, the cheatsheet is a good read

Fluttershy said:
https://e621.net/help/cheatsheet#Searching_Sorting

Thanks! This is really, really, be appreciated!

I would also like to add that order:score is a more accurate search of what is popular, whereas order:favcount is somewhat biased because favorites are often transferred by parenting and people favorite things not necessarily because they are good but because they want to hang onto them for later

Rainbow_Dash said:
I would also like to add that order:score is a more accurate search of what is popular, whereas order:favcount is somewhat biased because favorites are often transferred by parenting and people favorite things not necessarily because they are good but because they want to hang onto them for later

I CALL BULL SHIT ON THAT ONE!!

I keep getting ignored in the "feature request" thread about this issue.

Since a favorite does not automatically up-vote something, the up-vote system here is essentially worthless. Nearly every image has a 1 to 3 ratio of up-votes to favorites. Many of them are up to a 1 to 8 ratio. and I have even seen a few with nearly a 1-700 ratio.

I can guarantee that the images are not getting down-voted to cause the heavy distortion, but rather that you make people have to click both vote-up AND favorite. Instead, it should be either vote up or vote down. And a favorite is due to liking it more than just a normal up-vote, thus it should automatically add an upvote.

This would much more accurately measure the up/down vote of an image and help artists out there track what people like in different art concepts a whole lot more. As well as help people in their searching en devours.

This site prides itself on our ability to have the most accurate search system, and the up/down vote system with the favorites as is just doesnt seem to match up to our quality of a site.

_Waffles_ said:
Since a favorite does not automatically up-vote something, the up-vote system here is essentially worthless. 

It does for priv+

_Waffles_ said:
I can guarantee that the images are not getting down-voted to cause the heavy distortion, but rather that you make people have to click both vote-up AND favorite. Instead, it should be either vote up or vote down. And a favorite is due to liking it more than just a normal up-vote, thus it should automatically add an upvote.

I can guarantee that an image gets down-voted because a user doesn't like it. And again only priv+ can auto upvote when they fav something

TheHuskyK9 said:
It does for priv+

I can guarantee that an image gets down-voted because a user doesn't like it. And again only priv+ can auto upvote when they fav something

That seems just asinine though...

I understand that Privileged accounts get that ability, but that is hurting this site. A privileged account should not be something that affects the effective nature that is e621.net.

It makes as much sense as only privileged accounts being able to add/edit tags...

TheHuskyK9 said:

I can guarantee that an image gets down-voted because a user doesn't like it.

Yes... but how would every single image have so many down votes to get the 1-3 to 1-8 average vote to favorite number?

Just search "order:favcount" and you will see that EVERYTHING has at least a 1 to 4 vote to favorite ratio on the first page alone...

_Waffles_ said:
That seems just asinine though...

I understand that Privileged accounts get that ability, but that is hurting this site. A privileged account should not be something that affects the effective nature that is e621.net.

I don't see how it's hurting the site at all...it's just upvotes. I see auto upvotes as a small reward for our efforts, and if you want auto upvotes when you fav stuff, you have to earn it. Prove to them that you're a helpful user, and you'll be rewarded.

Peekaboo said:
I think the current favorite/voting system is excellent as it is.

This. So much this.

_Waffles_ said:
I CALL BULL SHIT ON THAT ONE!!

I keep getting ignored in the "feature request" thread about this issue.

Since a favorite does not automatically up-vote something, the up-vote system here is essentially worthless. Nearly every image has a 1 to 3 ratio of up-votes to favorites. Many of them are up to a 1 to 8 ratio. and I have even seen a few with nearly a 1-700 ratio.

I can guarantee that the images are not getting down-voted to cause the heavy distortion, but rather that you make people have to click both vote-up AND favorite. Instead, it should be either vote up or vote down. And a favorite is due to liking it more than just a normal up-vote, thus it should automatically add an upvote.

This would much more accurately measure the up/down vote of an image and help artists out there track what people like in different art concepts a whole lot more. As well as help people in their searching en devours.

This site prides itself on our ability to have the most accurate search system, and the up/down vote system with the favorites as is just doesnt seem to match up to our quality of a site.

Oh yeah I forgot that only priv+ get one more upvote when they favorite. That still doesn't change the fact that a lot of the top posts have far more favorites than score. Which again is unrelated to upvoting, and why order:score is probably more accurate than order:favcount. I've got like 1000 favorites of mostly stuff I might want to maybe almost reference later.

I think the system is fine how it is right now. People like things, they vote them up, they don't like things, they vote them down. They want to look at them later, they favorite them. That's pretty much how it is everywhere. I'm not really sure what you are suggesting otherwise.

How I vote is like this:
If I think the art is very good, I vote it up, if I want to see that post again, I favorite it, if I think the art is very good and I want to see it again, I vote it up and favorite it. I don't automatically want to favorite something just by voting it up as I often vote on furry posts even though that's not my cup of tea, and I often favorite things that aren't very artistic just because I want to see it later

But two button presses to like and fave something!!!!11!!one

:P

But seriously, it's a bit annoying. With videos, it works, because of the time frame. Less so with images where you're flipping through them quite quickly.

Rainbow_Dash said:

How I vote is like this:
If I think the art is very good, I vote it up, if I want to see that post again, I favorite it, if I think the art is very good and I want to see it again, I vote it up and favorite it. I don't automatically want to favorite something just by voting it up as I often vote on furry posts even though that's not my cup of tea, and I often favorite things that aren't very artistic just because I want to see it later

The problem is that the numbers show that people are essentially lazy. I am not saying everyone should have an extra vote-up capability (Priveledged can keep that), I am just thinking that it looks really bad that someone favorites something and (averaging it out) only 1 out of 6 people actually vote-up something that they favorite.

I just see this making the voting system a bit one sided, for if someone favorites an image without up-voting it, it offsets the power of a down-vote to be MUCH heavier than its worth.

Example image with current system: 14 people up vote. 93 people favorite. 9 people down vote.

Even though only 9 people did not like said image, the score of this image that 107 people liked has a score of only 5.

Example of same image with proposed idea: 14 people up vote. 93 people favorite. 9 people down vote.

Since the favorites automatically add an up vote, we have 107 up votes and 9 down resulting in a score of 98

Score of 5 versus a score of 98.

What number makes more sense for an imaged liked enough to be favorited 93 times??

_Waffles_ said:
The problem is that the numbers show that people are essentially lazy. I am not saying everyone should have an extra vote-up capability (Priveledged can keep that), I am just thinking that it looks really bad that someone favorites something and (averaging it out) only 1 out of 6 people actually vote-up something that they favorite.

I just see this making the voting system a bit one sided, for if someone favorites an image without up-voting it, it offsets the power of a down-vote to be MUCH heavier than its worth.

Example image with current system: 14 people up vote. 93 people favorite. 9 people down vote.

Even though only 9 people did not like said image, the score of this image that 107 people liked has a score of only 5.

Example of same image with proposed idea: 14 people up vote. 93 people favorite. 9 people down vote.

Since the favorites automatically add an up vote, we have 107 up votes and 9 down resulting in a score of 98

Score of 5 versus a score of 98.

What number makes more sense for an imaged like enough to be favorited 93 times??

I'm pretty sure that an image with that many favs has a score over 20. The only time an image has that big of a difference between favs/upvotes is when a higher res version of an image gets uploaded and the lower res gets deleted and the favs transfer over the new higher res image

TheHuskyK9 said:
I'm pretty sure that an image with that many favs has a score over 20. The only time an image has that big of a difference between favs/upvotes is when a higher res version of an image gets uploaded and the lower res gets deleted and the favs transfer over the new higher res image

Alright, lets see how long it takes find 5 examples of similar numbers....

https://e621.net/post/show/33771/2008-3-big_breasts-blush-bovine-breasts-brown_eyes

https://e621.net/post/show/126422/2011-all_fours-anal-anal_penetration-anus-ass_to_a

https://e621.net/post/show/103263/anal-anal_penetration-bdsm-bondage-bound-clubstrip

https://e621.net/post/show/20946/all_fours-anal-anal_penetration-anthro-balls-bent_

https://e621.net/post/show/112038/2011-bestiality-breasts-clitoris-clothing-cowboy-c

Wow... only 5 minutes from a single page once I found roughly that number of favorites are on page 149 of "order:favcount"

Longest was just taking the time and letting the pages load...

lets see if I can find one with my exact same numbers?

all of 30 seconds...

https://e621.net/post/show/114984/black_and_white-bussaca-canine-car-comic-male-mink

107 favorites with a score of 5. Page 147 of "order:favcount".

_Waffles_ said:
all of 30 seconds...

https://e621.net/post/show/114984/black_and_white-bussaca-canine-car-comic-male-mink

107 favorites with a score of 5. Page 147 of "order:favcount".

Like I've said before, those are highly likely to be higher res versions of lower res images and the favs have been transfered on there. What exactly are you trying to achieve here?

TheHuskyK9 said:
Like I've said before, those are highly likely to be higher res versions of lower res images and the favs have been transfered on there.

No... it is simply that users are too lazy to press both the up-vote button as well as the favorite button. I would say that we could just blame it on the users, but I now blame the site just because the solution is as easy as about 7 lines of code...

What exactly are you trying to achieve here?

I am trying to show a problem that I have seen on this site for a while now.

I am trying to convey that the up/down vote system is really broken when looking at the problem that it does not actually show what images are liked and hated. Like I said, nearly EVERY image has AT LEAST a 1-3 vote to favorite ratio. This makes no sense to me that something can be liked so much to get many favorites to only have a mediocre vote.

This site strives to be the best furry image archive site for finding what you are truly looking for. With this current system, I dont feel that the site can be as effective as it could be.

_Waffles_ said:

No... it is simply that users are too lazy to press both the up-vote button as well as the favorite button. I would say that we could just blame it on the users, but I now blame the site just because the solution is as easy as about 7 lines of code...

I am trying to show a problem that I have seen on this site for a while now.

I am trying to convey that the up/down vote system is really broken when looking at the problem that it does not actually show what images are liked and hated. Like I said, nearly EVERY image has AT LEAST a 1-3 vote to favorite ratio. This makes no sense to me that something can be liked so much to get many favorites to only have a mediocre vote.

This site strives to be the best furry image archive site for finding what you are truly looking for. With this current system, I dont feel that the site can be as effective as it could be.

Dude, it's just upvotes

TheHuskyK9 said:
Dude, it's just upvotes

Then why do we care about tagging?

Then why worry about having a system that wants artists to allow their posts/pieces to be on this site?

Its pure and simply a system that we have in place that is not being used as effectively as it should be.

_Waffles_ said:
Then why do we care about tagging?

Then why worry about having a system that wants artists to allow their posts/pieces to be on this site?

Its pure and simply a system that we have in place that is not being used as effectively as it should be.

Not really. The difference between tagging and upvotes is that we actually need tags. Upvoting/downvoting is just a luxury. Plenty of sites don't use ratings and they're just peachy. But every site needs tags so that users can find what they are looking for

TheHuskyK9 said:
Not really. The difference between tagging and upvotes is that we actually need tags. Upvoting/downvoting is just a luxury. Plenty of sites don't use ratings and they're just peachy. But every site needs tags so that users can find what they are looking for

Furrybooru, FA, Weasyl, and nearly every other site has tags enabled, but do not enforce it like they do here. Are you telling me that finding images on those sites are as easy/effective as finding images on this site?

Making something easy and accurate makes any site great.

I guess what is bugging the hell out of me is why such a minor change that would make the image rating system so much more accurate is not cared about and is thrown out just because "I dont care about the vote system, so why would anyone else?"

TheHuskyK9 said:
Not really. The difference between tagging and upvotes is that we actually need tags. Upvoting/downvoting is just a luxury. Plenty of sites don't use ratings and they're just peachy. But every site needs tags so that users can find what they are looking for

can you search by vote count? If so then it is needed for it searchability.

_Waffles_ said:
Furrybooru, FA, Weasyl, and nearly every other site has tags enabled, but do not enforce it like they do here. Are you telling me that finding images on those sites are as easy/effective as finding images on this site?

I never said that. "Peachy" is less than "amazing"

_Waffles_ said:
I guess what is bugging the hell out of me is why such a minor change that would make the image rating system so much more accurate is not cared about and is thrown out just because "I dont care about the vote system, so why would anyone else?"

Look, I do care about improving the site but to be honest, something as small as upvotes would not be at the top of my priority list.

123easy said:
can you search by vote count? If so then it is needed for it searchability.

That's another luxury that we have. We don't absolutely need it, but it's a nice and nifty feature to have on here

TheHuskyK9 said:

Look, I do care about improving the site but to be honest, something as small as upvotes would not be at the top of my priority list.

So once again: if you think that it would improve the site, then why fight it because "Ohh, I dont care about it and it wont effect me, so I vote not to do it"?

TheHuskyK9 said:
Look, I do care about improving the site but to be honest, something as small as upvotes would not be at the top of my priority list.

I think we've made it perfectly clear that we aren't wanting this done ASAP post haste RSVP nao or anything of the sort. It's NOT a priority. Not a priority and not on the list at all are two completely different things.

I always bated the rating system. Id post something cool or cute or entierly decent and 5 seconds later I would. Have a negitive rank because someone doesn't like me, or the character displayed, or because its not pron (needs Tartar sause :B). Or even because I use paint or "traditional media" instead of cyberage art softwear. I have never been able to understand how people get those perfect straight or curved lines that look like they came outa a calligraphers pen... its some art program but which one? *confused* honestly it should go away or set up so if they want to rate they gave to comment (like critique it) otherwise you got people going "avalaaaanche!!!" *clickclickclick"

123easy said:
I think we've made it perfectly clear that we aren't wanting this done ASAP post haste RSVP nao or anything of the sort. It's NOT a priority. Not a priority and not on the list at all are two completely different things.

I never said it wasn't on my list, I said it's not at the top.

_Waffles_ said:
So once again: if you think that it would improve the site, then why fight it because "Ohh, I dont care about it and it wont effect me, so I vote not to do it"?

And again like I've said before, I do care, stop saying that I don't. I just don't think it would affect the site

I'm really not seeing the problem behind having them kept as two separate features.

I don't think we've even considered it a problem to fix, otherwise we would have expanded it so that everyone can upvote by favorite. If you can still search by favorite, there is still a way o find what people like

TheHuskyK9 said:
And again like I've said before, I do care, stop saying that I don't. I just don't think it would affect the site

Sorry, but it just kept seeming like you were coming across as "I dont give a shit, so you shouldnt either."

I will be honest. It wont affect the site, but it would make some artists that are looking for feedback on their work as well as some people searching for things a lot more effective to them.

Rainbow_Dash said:
I'm really not seeing the problem behind having them kept as two separate features.

I don't think we've even considered it a problem to fix, otherwise we would have expanded it so that everyone can upvote by favorite. If you can still search by favorite, there is still a way o find what people like

Maybe I misspoke. I am not asking for them to be together, just one helps carry over to the other.

Yes.. there is a way to be able to figure out what people like, but I am just really confused at the core concept that we have posts with EVERY SINGLE one having at least a 1 to 3 up-vote to favorite ratio. The core concept of this bugs me to the point that it seems ineffective and looks worthless.

Yes, I can still search using both. But someone looking for a comic without knowing the tittle that they just remember a little bit from, but the remember that people liked it. Would you have a natural instinct to search for said comic with a rating of 5? even though there is over a 100 favorits?

So my guess is that this idea will just be forgotten again without a real discussion of why it is a bad idea for implementation?

I have brought this up at least 4 other times before now, and each time it just gets ignored.

I have no problem with my idea being shot down, but it is aggravating that no one gives me an ultimatum or a discussion of why this would be a bad idea. It is usually just along the ideas of "I dont think it will matter" instead of a thoughtful discussion/debate.

Will this just get ignored again?

Peekaboo said:
Probably, mostly because you're one of the few people who have a problem with it. I've tried to see it from your viewpoints, but I still think the current system is damn close to flawless.

May I ask why and how you, or anyone, see it as flawless?

_Waffles_ said:
May I ask why and how you, or anyone, see it as flawless?

I would say that it's because most people want favorites and upvotes to be separate

Rainbow_Dash said:
I would say that it's because most people want favorites and upvotes to be separate

I am not asking to make them one of the same. I am just asking for a link over.

Or are you saying that most people want/are willing to press two buttons to achieve the effect of my proposal of a single click?

Or are you saying that people favorite things that they hate and want to down-vote?

Peekaboo said:
I favorite images when I want to return to the image on a later date and see more work from the artist who drew it. I upvote images I like. Sometimes I do both. Sometimes, like many others, I favorite an image because I'm enjoying the drama in the comments.
I do not really see what your idea about merging favorites and upvotes would bring to the table.

If you want to judge a post by it's favorites, it says how many it's got on the thumbnail of the image and the image tab itself. If you want to look through images based on it's score, then you can do the very same thing.

I don't see how removing an option to search for content makes the website any better, 2 > 1.

Sure, the ratio of people who upvote compared to the favorites is rather silly, but in my opinion that is a good thing. That way you can be sure that people really do like an image a lot when it has a ton of upvotes.

I must not be explaining myself very well for i DO NOT want to get rid of either favorites nor the up/down vote system.

All I am requesting is that upon a favorite that an up-vote is added automatically. This way the vote will more accurately depict the images-likability.

Again, I am going to use a hypothetical image example. Said image has been posted for 24 hours.

The image was viewed many times, but most people do not favorite or vote, so be it though.

24 viewers liked it enough to up-vote the image. 15 viewers hated it and voted it down. 40 viewers liked it enough to favorite it.

In total: we have 64 viewers like it enough to click a button, and 15 viewers hate it enough to click a button

CURRENT SYSTEM would show that the image has a vote of positive 9 with 40 favorites.

PROPOSED SYSTEM would show that the image has a vote of positive 49 with 40 favorites.

With said image like enough by 64 viewers to go out of their way to click a button, what makes more sense for a vote score for said image:

9 or 49?

This is why I keep bringing this up. This is what is annoying me on a logical basis when nearly every single image on this site has at least a 1 to 3 ratio of votes to favorites, with A LOT even more in the 1 to 8 ratio and even some WAY above that.

Peekaboo said:
If what you're proposing would become reality, then there would need to be version of that for the downvotes as well.

Are you saying that we would need an ability to favorite images we hate?

Not trying to be cynical, just really confused why would anyone hate an image enough to down vote it would want to also favorite it?

_Waffles_ said:
Are you saying that we would need an ability to favorite images we hate?

Not trying to be cynical, just really confused why would anyone hate an image enough to down vote it would want to also favorite it?

You're not the only one. Even if it's not because the artwork itself is amazing, if it's bad enough you want to share it with people because of how bad it is, I still see that as worthy of an upvote.

123easy said:
...if it's bad enough you want to share it with people because of how bad it is, I still see that as worthy of an upvote.

Not everyone will think the same.

Fluttershy said:
Not everyone will think the same.

But the system would still allow you to vote down your favorite. Even though you may not want it voted up, you can still negate that.

If you want to favorite the image and still want to vote it down, can you still do that? I am pretty sure that I can retract and change an up-vote I give to a down-vote.

This would allow the same affect that, in rare times, you want to down vote a favorite image. At least this way though, majority of the favorites will be up-voted like most favorites should be.

Just confirmed. I can change the vote.

So a favorite of an image that you hate can be changed to still show a down-vote. Meaning that down-votes will not get "under-leveraged" like Peekaboo suggested.

Is there any other ideas, comments, concerns, and/or ideas of why this idea should be shot down?

So damn unsure what to do.

I would like to discuss this more, but not sure if people dont wish to way in, or just truly dont give two shits about the system?

_Waffles_ said:
So damn unsure what to do.

I would like to discuss this more, but not sure if people dont wish to way in, or just truly dont give two shits about the system?

I think this would be better discussed in other thread, because so far, I haven't understood what are you trying to do/explain. Maybe I'm missing something important or my attention's pan is not catching everything...

Xch3l said:
I think this would be better discussed in other thread, because so far, I haven't understood what are you trying to do/explain. Maybe I'm missing something important or my attention's pan is not catching everything...

Alright, I will make a new post. I feel kind of bad... I essentially hijacked this thread...