123easy said:
Ehhh, that's not even the right way to think of it, i'd say. That's assuming blame already. I'd rather phrase it something like, "what did they think you had done that made them surround you like that? Was it something illegal, or were they approaching you for another reason? You stated you used violent force to try to push through them, because of fear and distrust- What cause did you have for that fear and distrust? Was it because they were cops in general, or was there some other underlying concern regarding these specific people? If it was not for an illegal concern, did you attempt to tell them to leave you alone and, if so, how did they respond?"

I'm not blaming her, and I didn't say what she did was illegal, but clearly she did something that made them think they'd need to arrest her

That something could have been nothing seen as a threat but without context hard to say. Still, given the description of the violent protest of being arrested, and the lack of details as to why the violent protest and reason for arrest it's impossible to gather an accurate conclusion. I'd still say though that's probably what most police officers would have done in that situation. No one wants to be arrested and pretty much every criminal and person fearing jail wants to flee, and telling the police you don't trust them is not going to suffice as an excuse to not be arrested

Rainbow_Dash said:
I'm not blaming her, and I didn't say what she did was illegal, but clearly she did something that made them think they'd need to arrest her

That something could have been nothing seen as a threat but without context hard to say. Still, given the description of the violent protest of being arrested, and the lack of details as to why the violent protest and reason for arrest it's impossible to gather an accurate conclusion. I'd still say though that's probably what most police officers would have done in that situation. No one wants to be arrested and pretty much every criminal and person fearing jail wants to flee, and telling the police you don't trust them is not going to suffice as an excuse to not be arrested

For a lot of police, "being homeless" is sufficient reason.
And based on the fact they she's not in jail right now, I doubt they had a very good reason, or she'd have been charged and held.

Halite said:
For a lot of police, "being homeless" is sufficient reason.
And based on the fact they she's not in jail right now, I doubt they had a very good reason, or she'd have been charged and held.

A good amount of arrests do not end up with charges kept or even filed. Sometimes people get arrested in volatile situations and released hours later when the incident has been documented and everything sorted out.

Also most, and I'm talking high majority here, police have a high sense of responsibility and moral decentsy and do not abuse their powers. Being homeless and loitering in some places is a crime and they ask/arrest homeless people and anyone who continues to loiter, but in most cases they just ask and the person moves along

Also surprised no one has linked this yet

they are used for the safety of the public and those whom commit crimes.
other tactics used by law enforcement can be rather harsh commpared to a tazer.

Rainbow_Dash said:No one wants to be arrested and pretty much every criminal and person fearing jail wants to flee, and telling the police you don't trust them is not going to suffice as an excuse to not be arrested

That's really shitty. Do you not see why people are mistrustful of police when they can just decide to suspect you of unlawful activity and then forcefully restrain you because you're afraid of them and their powertripping? yeah, they aren't all like that, but all it takes is a sparse handful to act like that to ruin the reputation of the force in general. Considering the fact this view is rather widespread and that there are many cases of previously undocumented brutality occuring that are being revealed thanks to private citizens recording the incidents, I'd have to err on the side of caution against police, not with. Show me evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, and sure- But on a hunch? Nuh uh.

123easy said:
That's really shitty. Do you not see why people are mistrustful of police when they can just decide to suspect you of unlawful activity and then forcefully restrain you because you're afraid of them and their powertripping? yeah, they aren't all like that, but all it takes is a sparse handful to act like that to ruin the reputation of the force in general. Considering the fact this view is rather widespread and that there are many cases of previously undocumented brutality occuring that are being revealed thanks to private citizens recording the incidents, I'd have to err on the side of caution against police, not with. Show me evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, and sure- But on a hunch? Nuh uh.

I would say that these incidents are so far and few that you really should trust the people tasked with protecting you. They can't just suspect you and arrest you for anything, they need probable cause, and most of the time they don't just power trip and arrest for no good reason. I find that erring on the side of mistrust for police tends to help no one and is really unnecessary when they are just doing their job of protecting the public, which is the same goal as my job, and I just don't see the reason abuse power like that when only bad, recurring things happen to everyone after

Rainbow_Dash said:
I would say that these incidents are so far and few that you really should trust the people tasked with protecting you. They can't just suspect you and arrest you for anything, they need probable cause, and most of the time they don't just power trip and arrest for no good reason. I find that erring on the side of mistrust for police tends to help no one and is really unnecessary when they are just doing their job of protecting the public, which is the same goal as my job, and I just don't see the reason abuse power like that when only bad, recurring things happen to everyone after

Unless you're in New York (stop and frisk ftl).

Rainbow_Dash said:
I would say that these incidents are so far and few that you really should trust the people tasked with protecting you. They can't just suspect you and arrest you for anything, they need probable cause, and most of the time they don't just power trip and arrest for no good reason. I find that erring on the side of mistrust for police tends to help no one and is really unnecessary when they are just doing their job of protecting the public, which is the same goal as my job, and I just don't see the reason abuse power like that when only bad, recurring things happen to everyone after

I wish I knew where you lived so I could move to somewhere so idyllic. Even here we have issues of rampant police corruption.

123easy said:
Even here we have issues of rampant police corruption.

Please don't tell me you live in Winnipeg.

Tangent said:
Please don't tell me you live in Winnipeg.

...Are you stalking me?

Hear bad things about a (85% sure) place in Canada

Best guess is obviously the worst place here.

Tangent said:
This intrigues me. How does one even 'get tased'?

I feel storytime is in order.

Peekaboo said:
I'm guessing it happened the way most people get tased, too much fun, too much booze.

With me I was having a psychotic break and one of the officers tried to grab me, the darting movement startled me and I attempted to flee. Got pinned couldn't breath so I was struggling in order to get in a position where I could do so and "relax" as they where ordering and got zapped with the darts, then "dry stung". Honest oppinion is it is a cruel takedown weapon and due to its supposed non-leathalness police resort to it much too fast and for reasons easily solved other ways. Just look at the taserings in schools. Case in point, girl gets into catfight with rival girl, boy steps into the middle to stop it, rent a cop electrocutes boy without warning or hesitation...

Now I prefer it to a bullet as much as the next person... but nothing is 100% non-leathal. And like I said I have health and mental issues in direct result of being tasered, you can dispute it all you want I know my body.
I'm also saying they should research other means of takedowns, pepperball guns, beanbag shot, expanding foam bullets...
Tasers can cause indirect injury too, concussions and broken bones from falling for instance.

Tangent said:
Hear bad things about a (85% sure) place in Canada

Best guess is obviously the worst place here.

Worst place? Have you even been to Toronto? There's plenty worse places.

Esme_Belles said:
With me I was having a psychotic break and one of the officers tried to grab me, the darting movement startled me and I attempted to flee. Got pinned couldn't breath so I was struggling in order to get in a position where I could do so and "relax" as they where ordering and got zapped with the darts, then "dry stung". Honest oppinion is it is a cruel takedown weapon and due to its supposed non-leathalness police resort to it much too fast and for reasons easily solved other ways. Just look at the taserings in schools. Case in point, girl gets into catfight with rival girl, boy steps into the middle to stop it, rent a cop electrocutes boy without warning or hesitation...

Now I prefer it to a bullet as much as the next person... but nothing is 100% non-leathal. And like I said I have health and mental issues in direct result of being tasered, you can dispute it all you want I know my body.
I'm also saying they should research other means of takedowns, pepperball guns, beanbag shot, expanding foam bullets...
Tasers can cause indirect injury too, concussions and broken bones from falling for instance.

This is one of the main reasons I take issue with police responding to situations that involve potential mental health issues without recieving training for handling them properly. :/ I'm sorry to hear that you had to go through that, Esme.

123easy said:
Worst place? Have you even been to Toronto? There's plenty worse places.

Just going on what's been heard through jokes, conversations with friends, and albums. Sometimes stereotypes have a mote of truth.

Esme_Belles said:
Tasers can cause indirect injury too, concussions and broken bones from falling for instance.

oh god this this this. Everytime I see someone get tased on one of those John Bunnell police chase shows they go down stiff as a board. Prime concussion recipe.

I'm also sorry I've been such a faffy, capricious dick. Getting double tased at your size, Esme, can't be for any good reason at all. You've been done an injustice.

I guess my next question would be; did anyone try to talk you down, or interact with you in any other way than 'immediatley restrain'?

Rofl. I will agree during winter it's a frozen shithole, but I've never seen a greener modern city anywhere. It's absolutely gorgeous and great to live in when it's not buried in several feet of snow. Gorgeous even then, but fuck if anyone notices through just trying not to freeze to death. ._.; Got as cold as fucking mars here for awhile.

We're also generally good peeps. Just stay out of the North End, our slummish district (It's not so bad you'd never ever go out, but get inside by dusk just to be sure you're safe, sorta thing), just like you'd stay out of any city's slum district.

The one that was infront of me was talking to me asking questions about my name, where I live, if I was armed ect. Then he goes "I'm going to need you to step—" and darted forward to grab my arm, which honestly ive had bad memory's of police in general, at the time I was in hysterics because of my mother, and his actions caused me to pull away. Whit h resulted in me getting tackled from three diffrent directions at once. I was already on the grounds when the female officer shot the gazer into my back, and then a few seconds later pushed it against the back of my neck right above my shoulder blades (ogre the spine) and dry stung me... its definitely over kill. Even with adrenalin I can hardly lift 100lbs.
Not to mention I was sarrounded. One to each of the compass points with me in the middle, even if I wanted to "run away" there was nowhere to go. :/

Esme_Belles said:
The one that was infront of me was talking to me asking questions about my name, where I live, if I was armed ect. Then he goes "I'm going to need you to step—" and darted forward to grab my arm

Something's up with that statement. You must have did something to make the cop react like that. Did you try to put one of your hands in your pockets? If so, that cop might have thought that you were going to pull out a gun. Not saying that you're that type of person but a cop can't really trust anyone they meet on the street, no matter how tall or short or big or skinny. Believe it or not, they are just as scared as you. They won't admit it but they are

TheHuskyK9 said:
Something's up with that statement. You must have did something to make the cop react like that. Did you try to put one of your hands in your pockets? If so, that cop might have thought that you were going to pull out a gun. Not saying that you're that type of person but a cop can't really trust anyone they meet on the street, no matter how tall or short or big or skinny. Believe it or not, they are just as scared as you. They won't admit it but they are

No, all I did was take a step backward. It was when he grabbed me that I tried to pull away. Besides he had already frisked me and I was wearing a skirt...no pockets lol

After I remember is wet clothing, wet grass, and being unable to move, so that probably explains why the cop felt the charges... anyway this is winding me up, chest feels like an elephant is sitting on it so I'm going to bed. Night all

Esme_Belles said:
No, all I did was take a step backward. It was when he grabbed me that I tried to pull away. Besides he had already frisked me and I was wearing a skirt...no pockets lol

After I remember is wet clothing, wet grass, and being unable to move, so that probably explains why the cop felt the charges... anyway this is winding me up, chest feels like an elephant is sitting on it so I'm going to bed. Night all

Alrighty, night