Let me get right into it by saying that these are not men as set forth by current standards.

Now why do I say that? I say that because they are not men in the same way that MLP ponies are not men when you add a dick to them. Now why aforementioned ponies are not considered men, I don't know for sure; however, I was once told a long time ago, I think by Celestia, yet I can't /quite/ recall who said it to me, that it was the art style. To elaborate female ponies have smaller muzzles than males so they can be marked as dickgirl if the female ponies have a penis. If that is the case then why would it not be true in the above picture? For those who know Charr they would know see those are females simply by the smaller muzzles, just as those who know MLP ponies know such. Female Charr have smaller muzzles so they can be marked dickgirl.

Let me give you a few examples from our gallery just to show you that what I speak is the truth.

Male: https://e621.net/post/show/441930
Female: https://e621.net/post/show/439293

See the difference in muzzle? Even with the armor it's /very/ obvious.

Here, have a more direct example between the two: https://e621.net/post/show/442828

You can very clearly see the differences between males and females there as well, yet more directly you can see an obvious difference just by muzzle. So, in such, you can clearly see that the figures above are /female/ Charr. The /only/ difference is the inclusion of a penis.

Now if the "muzzle thing" isn't the reason for it then I question why no one disagrees that all the following examples get tagged dickgirl - https://e621.net/post/show/445853 https://e621.net/post/show/445693 https://e621.net/post/show/445599 https://e621.net/post/show/445598 https://e621.net/post/show/445292
https://e621.net/post/show/445198

Other than that one feature there is no way to tell that those mlp characters are dickgirls - even if you take them as established characters. The reason why is even as established characters they appear simply gender swapped. Charr are established characters too, so are their builds and bodies, it's very easy to tell males from females even by MLP standards of "the muzzle thing." In such the aforementioned characters really should be either genderswapped males or dickgirls in tags.

However, it seems the controversy is not from what people actually see, it's what from people know. Because people know those mlp characters are female in the show they get tagged dickgirl because that knowledge affects what people see and more people see them as such because MLP is shoved down everyone's throat these days and everyone knows about them, so instead of male equines they see female equines with dicks because they KNOW the characters are supposed to be female.

Now that kinda thing shouldn't happen, however there's no other explanation for it happening other than MLP gets special treatment. Personally, I feel that the whole "having a smaller muzzle" thing is just plain silly, yet that's the game that is currently being played so it would be hypocritical to apply it to MLP ponies, but not anywhere else it would apply.

However fewer know what female Charr actually look like and don't care to educate themselves on the matter so female Charr with dicks get tagged what people actually see, males, which by current standards set by ponies is /not/ okay. Obviously there's something funny going on here when standards shift by genre.

I hope this convinced someone those Charr should be dickgirls, or, if nothing else, convinced people that the pony examples above should be /male,/ not dickgirl. Either way would be an excellent solution to a problem.

And yes, this is a problem. When MLP ponies get special treatment just because they're everywhere and people know what is and isn't female, even when a dick is added to them, they are getting special treatment. The TWYS rules are there for a reason. They should be used in an objective and unbiased way, however as of now they're currently being used improperly. It used to be that something without any /actual/ defining female traits and a dick would be considered a male. Now MLP ponies get to avoid that for some, as of yet, unexplained or insufficiently explained reason.

Also, yes, I know this is just an edited repost of what I posted there, yet I figured it was good enough to post to the forums.

The admins said that it was to remain tagged male. Just let it go, man.

There's nothing that indicates anything remotely female about the picture in question.

They have the really long horns like the male did, I see a male.
And as for the pony ones, the only one I see that would warrant a male tag would be the 3rd one, as all the other ones look feminine, and the last one is just an edit of another post that is female.

post #77871

Okay after looking at female charr's, I still can't see it. They have very large snouts, and one is almost as tall as the character's forehead, and there are no other feminine traits of the charr's that have seen on the other posts, such as eyelashes, smaller, softer frames, less rigid body structure

The mlp examples you keep mentioning still just look very feminine, and are easily identifiable

Because ponies.

I've played GW2 mainly as Charr, and I STILL don't see those two as dickgirls, but femmy males.

I see no female or dickgirl in that image at all

I feel like the only person in here that can actually see.

Here, maybe a bit more education will help.

http://casualdoes.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/charr-01.jpg

Which one is which? Which one is which?

Give up? The one on the left is male, the one on the right is female.

How do I know? Did I take the picture? No, I did not. I was instantly able to decipher such.

First of all, the overall muzzle. They may appear nearly the same width, yet the female's looks obviously smaller and more petite, at least in terms of Charr, than the male's does.

Furthermore the female's maw has far fewer pronounced teeth. That's another big difference between males and females. Yet even when the males don't have especially pronounced teeth they are still clearly males by the shape of their muzzle.

Every single male Charr I've seen has always been easily identifiable by their muzzle. Because just like their bodies when compared to the female, every single male Charr looks like they have an over all blunter muzzle than your typical female.

As can be seen in the following examples (external links)
1
2
3
4

Honestly overall every single thing about a male Charr is broader than a female Charr. They're bigger, bulkier, and broader.

By body alone it's obvious those two figures in that picture have female Charr bodies, especially when compared to any other example of a male Charr in the gallery.

Beyond outside references this picture even shows a good example. 5 The female is very apparently smaller and thinner than the male.

Furthermore the overall face.. it's narrower and a little sharper on a female than the male. Here, have more examples. (External Links)

6
7

Top is typical Female Charr faces the bottom is typical male Charr faces. You can see a very apparent difference between the two of them.

As for the one that said "femmy male," then by that logic the MLP examples I gave should also be considered "femmy male." They're more feminine than normal males, but that's all they are. So they shouldn't be dickgirls, just girly males. Right? Equality and all that, it would be massively hypocritical to say that MLP can get away with it yet other characters cannot.

Male: No breasts, penis, balls optional.
Female: Vagina, no penis, no balls.
Dickgirl: Breasts, penis, balls optional, no visible vagina.
Cuntboy: Vagina, no breasts.
Herm: Breasts, vagina, penis, balls optional.

What you're arguing over: Male.

AnotherDay said:
I feel like the only person in here that can actually see.

Here, maybe a bit more education will help.

I still don't see much of a difference.
And considering that we can't even tag female Iksar as female even though they look completely different from males, I don't think you have much of a case.

AnotherDay said:
http://casualdoes.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/charr-01.jpg

Unless they're specific characters, I would tag both male.

Those giant walls of text don't change the fact that THEY LOOK LIKE MEN.

By your clusterfuck of a gender explanation, it would litterally be impossible to tag this because the muzzle isn't defined enough.

SirAntagonist said:
Unless they're specific characters, I would tag both male.

Those giant walls of text don't change the fact that THEY LOOK LIKE MEN.

By your clusterfuck of a gender explanation, it would litterally be impossible to tag this because the muzzle isn't defined enough.

Character gender doesn't matter, tag would be male regardless.

I see lots of people saying it would be male regardless, yet I can't fathom why on earth those ponies don't get tagged male then! They look as much male to me as those ponies with huge f'in dicks do yet they get the qualification of dickgirl for some unknown reason? I bet it's the pastel colors, isn't it?

I mean, seriously. How in the name of anything does this look dickgirl? You literally cannot see anything but lower body and a cutiemark. Seems more like gender swap to me! Girly male at worst. But nope, it gets called dickgirl.

I see so many things /exactly/ like that and where it's just other girly males tagged as dickgirls for non-reasons. At least reasons that don't seem to apply to anything else on this website. I mean, really, come on.

There's some serious weirdness going on here and I feel like I'm the only one that can see it other than Genjar. Not every damn thing in the universe follows the rule of humanoid females. People seem to have realized that with the MLP ponies, so I wonder then why no one seems to realize that with ANYTHING ELSE.

Stop being butthurt about ONE image.

AnotherDay said:
I see lots of people saying it would be male regardless, yet I can't fathom why on earth those ponies don't get tagged male then! They look as much male to me as those ponies with huge f'in dicks do yet they get the qualification of dickgirl for some unknown reason? I bet it's the pastel colors, isn't it?

I mean, seriously. How in the name of anything does this look dickgirl? You literally cannot see anything but lower body and a cutiemark. Seems more like gender swap to me! Girly male at worst. But nope, it gets called dickgirl.

I see so many things /exactly/ like that and where it's just other girly males tagged as dickgirls for non-reasons. At least reasons that don't seem to apply to anything else on this website. I mean, really, come on.

There's some serious weirdness going on here and I feel like I'm the only one that can see it other than Genjar. Not every damn thing in the universe follows the rule of humanoid females. People seem to have realized that with the MLP ponies, so I wonder then why no one seems to realize that with ANYTHING ELSE.

Dude, just stop. You're beating this into the ground. The tags aren't getting changed.

It isn't about that particular image or those particular tags. Goodness, that was just the instigating issue to a much larger problem. For goodness sakes, can't you see that?

There's been a lot of give on the TWYS rule the last few months and, honestly, it's just annoying. This whole MLP fiasco now being able to apparently bypass the rule of twys for some non-reason is just one more cherry on the cake, so to speak. I mean since when did something without breasts and a dick become dickgirl? When? When was that an announced change?

Also if that's how things are now then why on earth does it only seem to apply to MLP?

AnotherDay said:
It isn't about that particular image or those particular tags. Goodness, that was just the instigating issue to a much larger problem. For goodness sakes, can't you see that?

There's been a lot of give on the TWYS rule the last few months and, honestly, it's just annoying. This whole MLP fiasco now being able to apparently bypass the rule of twys for some non-reason is just one more cherry on the cake, so to speak. I mean since when did something without breasts and a dick become dickgirl? When? When was that an announced change?

Also if that's how things are now then why on earth does it only seem to apply to MLP?

Because ponies.

Basically pony fans argue so much the rest of us stop caring.

Halite said:
Because ponies.

Basically pony fans argue so much the rest of us stop caring.

That's not good enough!

They either need to abide by the rules every other genre does OR we need to be able to abide by the rules they set. There should not be any favoritism or whatever the heck this is and just because they won't be quiet doesn't mean that you should abide by them. If they won't be quiet about what they want even after it's been said it won't happen they should be squelched, muted, banned, whatever.

I mean, am I seriously the only person that thinks it's wrong that that genre gets special attention? It's like the whole damn thing fell into a big nasty vat of "popufur" and no one dares to counter the pony fans.

Peekaboo said:
Well yeah, that is kinda what happened.

So, what? That's just okay? People acting like spoiled brats until they get what they want is an acceptable thing now? Weird, those kind of people always got laughed at/physically assaulted around here.

Huh. The internet is getting soft on me.

You know how many times people have bitched about these guild wars things?

Enough that I remember there's already a bunch of similer threads, the admin answered those the same.
honestly just cuz you ask 6,000 times doesn't mean anything will change, m'i'right.

Esme_Belles said:
You know how many times people have bitched about these guild wars things?

Enough that I remember there's already a bunch of similer threads, the admin answered those the same.
honestly just cuz you ask 6,000 times doesn't mean anything will change, m'i'right.

Again, it isn't /just/ that, it's the whole ordeal in general. There seems to be a consensus that anything that isn't mlp related which doesn't fit the breasts+dick combo is okay to call male instead of dickgirl even if the body is the female's version for that race.

However when it comes to MLP you can more or less call anything dickgirl 'cause MLP. I mean.. c'mon. Really? This picture more or less just sort of started the whole thing again. This isn't how TWYS is supposed to work, those ponies with dicks tacked on? Yeah, those should be /male./ Especially since any other species that has a female that doesn't have breasts gets tagged male, no matter how female they look in terms of their species. :\

Some of us have tried to fight the ponies getting their way. When the admins go, "Eh, it stays because I say so" instead of actually answering the points raised about things breaking the rules, what's the point in trying? Blacklist and ignore it. Let that shit fester in its own hole and pretend it doesn't exist.

Those Charr though? THOSE AREN'T FEMALES. They're barely Charr- The only thing they really have in common is the horns and being furry. If you want to fight against ponies some more until you realize how pointless it is yourself, be my guest. But don't pick such a shitty position to stand on that even the people against the pony-specific tag rule breaking are saying you're an idiot.

123easy said:
Some of us have tried to fight the ponies getting their way. When the admins go, "Eh, it stays because I say so" instead of actually answering the points raised about things breaking the rules, what's the point in trying? Blacklist and ignore it. Let that shit fester in its own hole and pretend it doesn't exist.

Those Charr though? THOSE AREN'T FEMALES. They're barely Charr- The only thing they really have in common is the horns and being furry. If you want to fight against ponies some more until you realize how pointless it is yourself, be my guest. But don't pick such a shitty position to stand on that even the people against the pony-specific tag rule breaking are saying you're an idiot.

Barely even Charr? I was able to easily identify them as Charr females immediately. Maybe it's because I've taken closer looks at Charr than most people, I don't bloody know why. Yet I can safely say that I've seen those faces and body shapes in GW2 quite a few times before.

Furthermore there's no need to be rude, it kind of invalidates your point when you resort to slinging insults and making personal attacks. Just like with the others that insulted me I sort of shrug off what they say because they couldn't say it without the insults. If you think that caring enough to post some rude remark or TL;DR picture is actually caring about an issue then that's your own issue. However I can promise you that sort of logic just doesn't fly.

Stop being butthurt about video game characters.

Okay I feel I should clear up some issues

MLP gets no special treatment in tagging gender, but it has a bias. What is this bias and why does it have it? MLP characters are all very feminine looking in nature, whether they be male or female. This is a cartoon, so it's not going to be drawn realistic. The characters were designed to appeal to younger audiences and their marketing towards females. So for the most part, just about everything in the MLP universe that is a pony has very feminine traits, so it is often we see these characters with penises being tagged dickgirls as their bodies are still very feminine. That picture of dickgirl twilight, tagged as dickgirl because look at the curves of her body, very feminine, not just by pony standards but by human standards as well. When people that have never seen MLP before see one with a penis, they can immediately in most cases identify it as being female with a peculiar penis on it for some reason. The ones that are truly ambiguous should be tagged as such, and I give no precedent for being biased and tagging it against our guidelines just because of it's popularity

Now for your picture here. They literally have no female traits what so ever. Even after looking up and comparing side by side images of charr females, I really can't get my head to imagine those two as being female. Everything about them is masculine. They are huge, rigid, bulky, have no breasts, have penises, no feminine body curvature. The female ones you linked and that I searched at least have a softer appearance and even then, I'd still just see many as being males. I know if I can't wrap my head around it after extensive research, your average user won't be able to either just from searching for female or blacklisting gay.

Lastly, I know we sometimes stretch the boundaries on what we deem to be a dickgirl, such as just looking at the overall curvature, but to tag this as female would not be a stretch, it would just be erroneous tagging and guaranteed to upset people when it slips through their blacklist when they have gay on it.

Also anotherday, ive never played guildwars. You have so you "know" what that thing looks like and such. The first time I even knew wwhat it was from and what kinda gender they are supposed to be was after finding (and causing) one of these threads about the charr.

Before that point I thought it was males, females or cuntboys when I found them on site..

As for mlp. I just leave them alone unless theve been anthrosized because of the face thing meaning genders. Its easier.

Thread locked.

It's clear that the majority of people cannot see a difference, which means the random visitor to our site will not see a difference either. If the tag does not make searching easier/clearer, then it defeats itself.

If there is another issue that was raised and you feel warrants further discussion, please create a new thread.