Implicating guro → grotesque
Link to implication

Reason:

as guro is short for ero guro nansensu = erotic grotesque nonsense (it's kind of wasei-eigo, a Japanese combination of English words or abbreviated words).
That shouldn't be alias though, because grotesque might be non-erotic, and of different kind\style than guro.

So to my understanding guro is only for fetishy gore and grotesque is to be used for all gore?

Rainbow_Dash said:
So to my understanding guro is only for fetishy gore and grotesque is to be used for all gore?

grotesque isn't necessary gore.. as well as guro isn't. Originally it was style of art and decoration(very old one, originated even from ROme empire), today this means anything strange, alien , repulsive and bizzare.
Best non-erotic, non-gore example of popular modern grotesque I can think of - phyrexian art from Magic the Gathering - human or other living beings melded into machines or into undead creatures, or with other creatures.. Characters grafted from various part - ugly chimera or Frankenstein depiction is obviously a grotesque.

On other hand, alien raping woman while drooling on her - obviously guro.. a man eating brain of of skull of other person - gore and grotesque.. man sticking head into woman's body - guro, while strange hydra-like creature menacingly looming over tiny human - grotesque. Sorry for graphic description, I used real pictures, some of them are even here, on e621, last one is illustration for King's "Myst" - or at least book I owned had it .

Swiftkill said:
grotesque isn't necessary gore.. as well as guro isn't. Originally it was style of art and decoration(very old one, originated even from ROme empire), today this means anything strange, alien , repulsive and bizzare.
Best non-erotic, non-gore example of popular modern grotesque I can think of - phyrexian art from Magic the Gathering - human or other living beings melded into machines or into undead creatures, or with other creatures.. Characters grafted from various part - ugly chimera or Frankenstein depiction is obviously a grotesque.

On other hand, alien raping woman while drooling on her - obviously guro.. a man eating brain of of skull of other person - gore and grotesque.. man sticking head into woman's body - guro, while strange hydra-like creature menacingly looming over tiny human - grotesque. Sorry for graphic description, I used real pictures, some of them are even here, on e621, last one is illustration for King's "Myst" - or at least book I owned had it .

Do we need the tag grotesque though?

At the very moment grotesque yields 43 results, while it would need to be in the thousands (lucky guess, I'd surprised if we wouldn't get within this magnitude).

What may also be of interest, how is guro currently used? I remember it is often used to only refer to grotesque actions involving gore, while technically not correct this is doesn't really matter to many (Same as pedophile and paedophile, pedo is foot, paedo is child).

I guess, people just don't know that word.. I met some pictures from MTG here which hand't any of those tags at all. Or one of Taral Wayne's pic, where girl is melded into tree - it's a grotesque.

Well, there are -7 occurrences of shibari tag.. _were_ before rope_bondage was aliased to it. Yeah, I thought that grotesque might be good umbrella tag

pedophile and paedophile is actually matter of spelling, like armor and armour.. I not sure in which language paedo is child, not in greek though.

παῖς (paîs), meaning "child", and φιλία (philía), as greek is morphing language, first word is changed to form pair... And subtext meaning in ancient greek "friendly love" or "friendship" - oh, irony (don't beat me up, I would NEVER condone those things - just etymology sometimes is ironic). To add irony, in Russian "pedik" means gay, and is derived from "pedophile".. as native semantic supposes those be synonims..

What does gore have to do with grotesque?

They're not even the same thing.

SirAntagonist said:
What does gore have to do with grotesque?

They're not even the same thing.

I gave example of gore + grotesque above, but I wasn't offering alias gore to grotesque, or imply it. I was offering for guro, which might be gore grotesque.. or might be other kind of grotesque, but always in sexualized and nonsense context.

I don't think that imminent death falls into grotesque category.. or any violence\death. It would be only if nature of that death or situation is very repulsive - again, I gave example of it - alien rapes woman and drools with acid -it's guro.

Swiftkill said:
I gave example of gore + grotesque above, but I wasn't offering alias gore to grotesque, or imply it. I was offering for guro, which might be gore grotesque.. or might be other kind of grotesque, but always in sexualized and nonsense context.

I don't think that imminent death falls into grotesque category.. or any violence\death. It would be only if nature of that death or situation is very repulsive - again, I gave example of it - alien rapes woman and drools with acid -it's guro.

You never clicked on the link, did you?

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/guro
and examples which ALL show some sort of blood.
http://g.e-hentai.org/tag/female:guro

I am a hugeeeeeeee guro fan and guro=sex with gore.

alien rapes woman and drools with acid -it's guro.

Not at all, no idea where you learned that from

Disagree with this.

Needs to be implicated to gore. Same with groetesque

SirAntagonist said:
You never clicked on the link, did you?

Er, I've read that far long before.. aaaand much more about that, and not now, but long ago - years 15 ago, I think, at first time. I mentioned some facts about that art style before you linked it.

@69: That picture was deleted , it seems, but what you call it, if she was alive and half-dissolved? You're gore kind of porn fan, which is subclass of guro..not all guro is porn. What about this kind of guro things: castration, dismemberment, decorating of body or room with parts of bodies.. nude disfigured subjects.. that's all guro. Guro may omit sex at all - only requirement - it's grotesque depiction of what could be erotic, if not was perverted. Google samura hiroaki - there is some of snuff or bdsm, but mostly it's guro. Strange, for some reason that tag disappeared from e621, though some of his art still here.

To those furries who try to link to EHWiki , which have no quotation marks.. I recommend read more books.. or at least cross-check references. Btw, e-hentai is contradicting to EHWiki, because they classify guro == snuff. That alone had to warn you about that those refernces are possibly bad.

As I cannot provide you with paper dictionary (and it is in Russian anyway, I give those links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ero_guro (usually just called guro)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grotesque (Patchy, where is gore there?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphic_violence (that's equal to gore)

Also, if you think, that "guro" is Japanese transliteration of gore - you're wrong.
gore to Japanese syllabic script translated as ゴレ that's read roughly as "go-re", there is no alteration, Japanese got those syllables. And they use that word btw to describe graphic violence art.

But "gro" from grotesque cannot be transliterated.. it's get split into closest equivalent "gu-ro" (グロ). That became a word on itself in modern Japanese, that means "grotesque" or just "gross" (both English words start on "gro-")

so.. ヱロ グロ ナンセtス - ero guro nansetsu - erotic grotesque nonsense.. they drop those parts which have no consonant equivalent in Japanese.

grotesque sounds subjective to me. we dont tag sexy or ugly

ippiki_ookami said:
grotesque sounds subjective to me. we dont tag sexy or ugly

Everything about porn is subjective.

it's not just ugly, it's certain theme, If you see that art on wiki.. there are animals and humans melted into tentacles, distorted and twisted into ornaments - that's original grotesque visuals. Well, you may say that grotesque close to horror, but it's not quite.. horror supposed to cause fear, while grotesque - repulsion for _normal_ person.

Also, it seems ,e621 already falsely set guro as alias of gore.. which is totally wrong..
it's like alias bdsm to bondage. WHat will be offered next? Make alias murder and snuff? or snuff and gore? /sarcasm

Swiftkill said:
Everything about porn is subjective.

You couldn't possibly be more wrong.

If there's a penis in the picture, we tag it with penis.

Grotesque is completely subjective if you're talking about the colloquial term.

SirAntagonist said:
You couldn't possibly be more wrong.

If there's a penis in the picture, we tag it with penis.

Grotesque is completely subjective if you're talking about the colloquial term.

Sorry I was trying to joke with word "subject" :P

I'm not talking about colloquial term - which is derived from art theme's subjective evaluation. I'm talking about art theme itself.

If you offer to tag only objects and actions - penices, nipples and such - whe should remove all those tags altogether: bdsm, bondage, guro, snuff, gore, scat (replace it with bodily_waste) - because they are subject terms (that's tagging\bibliography term). Of course we wouldn't..
grotesque is just same type of term as horror. Isn't horror subjective too? If grotesque is subjective and shouldn't be used - do not use guro too - and do not set it equal to gore - gore is well devined, visible content.

Swiftkill said:
Er, I've read that far long before.. aaaand much more about that, and not now, but long ago - years 15 ago, I think, at first time. I mentioned some facts about that art style before you linked it.

@69: That picture was deleted , it seems, but what you call it, if she was alive and half-dissolved? You're gore kind of porn fan, which is subclass of guro..not all guro is porn. What about this kind of guro things: castration, dismemberment, decorating of body or room with parts of bodies.. nude disfigured subjects.. that's all guro. Guro may omit sex at all - only requirement - it's grotesque depiction of what could be erotic, if not was perverted. Google samura hiroaki - there is some of snuff or bdsm, but mostly it's guro. Strange, for some reason that tag disappeared from e621, though some of his art still here.

To those furries who try to link to EHWiki , which have no quotation marks.. I recommend read more books.. or at least cross-check references. Btw, e-hentai is contradicting to EHWiki, because they classify guro == snuff. That alone had to warn you about that those refernces are possibly bad.

As I cannot provide you with paper dictionary (and it is in Russian anyway, I give those links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ero_guro (usually just called guro)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grotesque (Patchy, where is gore there?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphic_violence (that's equal to gore)

Also, if you think, that "guro" is Japanese transliteration of gore - you're wrong.
gore to Japanese syllabic script translated as ゴレ that's read roughly as "go-re", there is no alteration, Japanese got those syllables. And they use that word btw to describe graphic violence art.

But "gro" from grotesque cannot be transliterated.. it's get split into closest equivalent "gu-ro" (グロ). That became a word on itself in modern Japanese, that means "grotesque" or just "gross" (both English words start on "gro-")

so.. ヱロ グロ ナンセtス - ero guro nansetsu - erotic grotesque nonsense.. they drop those parts which have no consonant equivalent in Japanese.

I have no idea what the hell you are trying to say

##Description: Mutilated humans or furries. Moderate blood or violence does not qualify.
##Note: Should not be confused with the snuff tag.

it says SHOULD NOT BE CONFUSED WITH SNUFF, they do not "contradict" eachother

guro
http://g.e-hentai.org/s/1e1e252e85/678556-12

not all guro is porn

? Yes, yes it is.
If there is a doujin showing a guy cutting off a girls limbs and NOTHING ELSE, it is NOT GURO.
If he is shoving his dick in her eye socket it is guro, if he is fuckign her and another guy cutting off her limbs it is guro.

I do not understand where you get this blasphemy.

Grotesque: comically or repulsively ugly or distorted

Something GROSS.
: malformed, deformed, misshapen, misproportioned, distorted, twisted, gnarled, mangled, mutilated; ugly, unsightly, monstrous, hideous, freakish, unnatural, abnormal, strange, odd, peculiar; informalweird, freaky; vulgar slangfugly

Do you see anything sexual?

Have you ever read links I gave.

69ing_Rainbow_Dash said:

If there is a doujin showing a guy cutting off a girls limbs and NOTHING ELSE, it is NOT GURO.

Actually whole story of term guro started from real live case when girl cutted off limbs and genitals of guy, then sliced his throat, gutted him and used his intestines and body parts as decoration. No sexual acts were involved.
Btw, I've seen such content dojin, and it had clearly mark in Japanese that it is guro.

69ing_Rainbow_Dash said:
I do not understand where you get this blasphemy.

From real life.. while you seem want to live in virtual word based on manga\dojinsu and porn websites and stuff said and written by uneducated anons. Your e-hentai website sometimes tags manga of 172 pages where in two of them car hits and kills girl as [female:snuff], or comic where guy strangles woman as [guro],so I don't believe that website in terms at all :P

Guro not necessary pornographic, it might be made specially repulsive.. There is guro that isn't containing violence at all, just hideous stuff, but also contains hardcore porn. Tentacle fetish, anal vore, unbirthing are originally guro theme.. it grew into own.

69ing_Rainbow_Dash said:

Grotesque: comically or repulsively ugly or distorted

Something GROSS.
: malformed, deformed, misshapen, misproportioned, distorted, twisted, gnarled, mangled, mutilated; ugly, unsightly, monstrous, hideous, freakish, unnatural, abnormal, strange, odd, peculiar; informalweird, freaky; vulgar slangfugly

And quoting google 's search of dictionary, without checking other sources is dumb. Google isn't all knowing god.. it just picks up the most frequently searched data.

For some people there is sexual... There are people who are hot for incredibly fat women, or men.. For malformed, modified, for ugly piercing.. for utter horror fuel, for my taste.. Btw, gross word often used in wider term.. your penis while hanging outside while in public place, is gross (there is nothing wrong with it, in fact.. but it's indecent).

Also comical depiction? Yes, some guromay be considered funny by certain people, or mixed with comedy threads by author.

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http://g.e-hentai.org/?f_doujinshi=1&f_manga=0&f_artistcg=0&f_gamecg=0&f_western=0&f_non-h=0&f_imageset=0&f_cosplay=0&f_asianporn=0&f_misc=0&f_search=snuff+-guro&f_apply=Apply+Filter
snuff tag -guro tag

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Real life??
and can you link this? I can barley understand what you are trying to say in the first place.

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Google isn't all knowing god..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ero_guro (usually just called guro)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grotesque (Patchy, where is gore there?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphic_violence (that's equal to gore)

and apparently wikipedia is?
The term itself is an example of wasei-eigo, a Japanese combination of English words or abbreviated words: ero from "ero(tic)", guro from "gro(tesque)", and nansensu from "nonsense".[2] In actuality the "grotesqueness"

This is saying it is basically taking TWO words and putting them TOGETHER

EROTIC=sex
GROTESQUE=something nasty

what do you get when you put that together?

The term is often used incorrectly by western audiences to mean "gore"—depictions of horror, blood, and guts.

I don't know what else you want me to say? I have been reading guro for a long time and consider it my favorite genre so I think I know what I am talking about and the tags should be the same.

Anyway , Rainbow Dash (the admin one, not the newbie 69ing):
Most of sources state that guro and grotesque, like horror, are umbrella terms, or how librarian says - subject terms. Gore is specific topic, using same library slang. Gore may belong to grotesque, or to guro, or to horror, or to snuff.. or may be on its own, as part of graphic violence depiction of various kind.

I didn't sad that wiki is all knowing god, but at least it got references. And I _do_ check sources that were referenced.

69ing_Rainbow_Dash said:

EROTIC=sex

Erotic equal to sex? Lord, go back to school and take actual dictionary from library shelf and check what erotic word means ( and believe me, japanese got more intermediate terms between "erotic", "sex" and "pornography" than English do). And it's three words - third is nonsense.. basicly "lovable (AND) gross nonsense" - that's what it means - contradiction, which on itself is common method in visual art, especially in grotesque.

I have been reading guro for a long time and consider it my favorite genre

reading guro? Guro is visual art.. well, I think, you mean browse. Then you had to know, that unbirth, anal vore, tentacles, goo, digestion - that's all fetishes born under guro umbrella. If you don't... we'll, you was unknowlingly browsing gore, or gore ero guro.

Btw, I found excellent example of grotesque art that borders guro, it had nearly no tag because people can't classify it (also typical for grotesque - it confuses):

https://e621.net/post/show/349587/-3-blush-elesh_norn-female-grotesque-magic_the_gat

Ok erotic means to arouse sexually but GURO is sex or well nudity, sexual arousal.

And seriously dude, what the fuck are you talking about?

And you consider THAT to border GURO? LOL

First it's safe, 2 there aren't any tits, 3 even if you take her panties off I doubt there would be a pussy so that is in no way GURO so shut the fuck up dude and stop trying to act like you know what you are talking about.
https://e621.net/post/show/381827/alien-ambiguous_gender-anus-cutie_mark-death-decap
Necrophilia after getting half her fucking body ripped off

https://e621.net/post/show/387632/2013-black_and_white-blood-cum-cum_in_eye-cum_insi
Don't think I need to say anything there

https://e621.net/post/show/389902/after_sex-amputee-black_and_white-blood-cum-cum_in missing limbs and blood.

I will let rainbow dash handle this train wreck of a thread. I have better things to do than waste my time arguing with a clown.

*sigh* Borders guro doen't mean IS guro.. who is clown here..
yes, if that picture had a little bit more nudity - more formed breasts , for example, it'd be guro. So far it's grotesque.

*shivers* (I have all explicit MLP related stuff blacklisted) Yeah, that's guro, but not's because it's gore. It's gore grafted in same setting with MLP, with something cute, MLP grafted with sex.

No, I said " you think that BORDERS guro" I never said you think that IS guro.

Are you listening to yourself? Who else agrees with you?

That pic is ONLY blood which isn't even CLOSE to guro, if you put it that way me cutting my wrist is guro or surgery is guro or a drop of blood is etc.

Not because its gore? What? Dude are you trolling or am I reading this wrong? Guro is not gore now? Cute?!??

I must be just reading this wrong or misinterpreting whatever kind of English you are "attempting" to type, so maybe it is my fault?

Guess I wasted another few minutes composing this post.

This time, good bye 4 real and please close this preposterous thread.

69ing_Rainbow_Dash said:
No, I said " you think that BORDERS guro" I never said you think that IS guro.

Are you listening to yourself? Who else agrees with you?

That pic is ONLY blood which isn't even CLOSE to guro, if you put it that way me cutting my wrist is guro or surgery is guro or a drop of blood is etc.

Not because its gore? What? Dude are you trolling or am I reading this wrong? Guro is not gore now? Cute?!??

I must be just reading this wrong or misinterpreting whatever kind of English you are "attempting" to type, so maybe it is my fault?

Guess I wasted another few minutes composing this post.

This time, good bye 4 real and please close this preposterous thread.

First you was arguing with me, now you agreed that gore isn't guro. I don't get you. And monster with human tits isn't same as some surgery or injury
This thread exist because tag aliasing made fact that gore IS equal to guro. Not even implicating , but equal. To put aside cultural differences - seem in US culture guro used as replacer of word gore all too often - I think this should be different tags:
gore - heavy body damage present, yet picture isn't sexually themed
guro - sexually themed
We have distinguished gay for sex and homosexual for orientation - why we join gore and guro as same?

This specific implication was denied because the tag was aliased and I don't implicate in chains like that (don't remember if the system can do it anyway)

Now if we want to make this implication it'd need to be for gore -> grotesque, which can be done pending the outcome of this topic, so just let me know if that's needed

Swiftkill said:
First you was arguing with me, now you agreed that gore isn't guro. I don't get you. And monster with human tits isn't same as some surgery or injury
This thread exist because tag aliasing made fact that gore IS equal to guro. Not even implicating , but equal. To put aside cultural differences - seem in US culture guro used as replacer of word gore all too often - I think this should be different tags:
gore - heavy body damage present, yet picture isn't sexually themed
guro - sexually themed
We have distinguished gay for sex and homosexual for orientation - why we join gore and guro as same?

Guro and gore ARE the same thing.

Grotesque is a wholly unnecessary tag.

Swiftkill said:
We have distinguished gay for sex and homosexual for orientation - why we join gore and guro as same?

homosexual

Sexual behaviour or attraction between two or more persons of the same gender. As the tag "homosexual" has been aliased to the tag "gay", more specificity is required:

Gay - Images of males engaging in homosexual behaviour.
Lesbian - Images of females engaging in homosexual behaviour.

This tag has been aliased to gay.

Devil's advocate time:

If we're not supposed to tag subjectively, what about the thousands of "what_has_science_done" and "prepare_your_anus"?

Not that I don't like those tags, they're pretty damn hilarious at times, but they're not exactly universal.

Jack_Nova said:
Devil's advocate time:

If we're not supposed to tag subjectively, what about the thousands of "what_has_science_done" and "prepare_your_anus"?

Not that I don't like those tags, they're pretty damn hilarious at times, but they're not exactly universal.

True, but they more or less are based on the theme of "would this wreck the average mortal's mind"

Jack_Nova said:
Devil's advocate time:

If we're not supposed to tag subjectively, what about the thousands of "what_has_science_done" and "prepare_your_anus"?

Not that I don't like those tags, they're pretty damn hilarious at times, but they're not exactly universal.

Joke tags are exempt. I've tried to deal with them tons of times before, but they are treated like sacred cows.