Implicating Cleavage → Breasts
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Reason:

Not entirely sure I agree with this implication. When a person searches for breasts, aren't they looking for fully exposed breasts? Whereas cleavage tends to refer to a socially acceptable level of exposure, typically the gap between the breasts.

Refer to post #486634, post #486577, post #481702, post #479988.

As a counter-example, I would argue that post #484172 is incorrectly using cleavage and should simply be breasts, possibly topless.

I think we agreed at some point that obvious breasts should be tagged as breasts. Even when covered. ...but I can't find that discussion, since searching the forums for breasts turns up too many results. :/

ikdind said:
As a counter-example, I would argue that post #484172 is incorrectly using cleavage and should simply be breasts, possibly topless.

Yep, seems like it. Cleavage implies clothed, so it should not be tagged for nude characters. It could use some clean up..

Yeah, I've been on a hiatus for a while, so it's possible I've missed some discussion about this. I can only really vouch for my intentions and expectations, which would expect uncovered breasts as opposed to merely enough visual information to know that a character *has* breasts.

Shouldn't be tagging breasts unless they're exposed.

ippiki_ookami said:
Shouldn't be tagging breasts unless they're exposed.

Partially exposed or fully exposed?

What I'm talking about is images such as this:
post #487837

The breasts are still visible, just like a penis peeking out of underwear. And that's how most users tag them. If those aren't supposed to get the tag, then... oh boy. With 144685 images under breasts, that'll take ages to clean up.

Genjar said:
Partially exposed or fully exposed?

What I'm talking about is images such as this:
post #487837

The breasts are still visible, just like a penis peeking out of underwear. And that's how most users tag them. If those aren't supposed to get the tag, then... oh boy. With 144685 images under breasts, that'll take ages to clean up.

Ignore Ippiki, we've had this discussion dozens of times and each time it's come to the conclusion that clothed or not we wanna see breasts so it stays.

I remember that conversation. Ippiki's right, breasts are when they are fully exposed, even if they were wearing a microkini.

Why are we only tagging breasts if they're fully exposed, doesn't that make the tag redundant to nipples?

Not so. There are forms of G-Strings that cover the breast, but not the nipple. Also, if you have someone who only exposes their breast up to the nipple (as a sort of teasing).

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
I remember that conversation. Ippiki's right, breasts are when they are fully exposed, even if they were wearing a microkini.

Hrm. Well, in the context of another tagging thread, I discovered that there's probably a lot of misuse of breasts, under the "only when they're exposed" philosophy. The implication "big_breasts -> breasts" is responsible for a lot of them, but there's also a bunch of examples under female skinsuit breasts -big_breasts that have the breasts tag without having actually exposed breasts.

In the name of consistency, I would like to suggest that it's probably appropriate to use the breasts tag in certain cases where a certain level of anatomical detail around the nipples is visible through, or in spite of, clothing.

(Edit: The "call a spade a spade" philosophy. For instance, in post #369841.)

If that's splitting the wrong hairs, though, then it appears that the usage of breasts could use some cleanup.

In either case, maybe we should remove the "big_breasts -> breasts" implication, at least, since big_breasts describes "size", and breasts describes "clothing" (or lack thereof), and these are orthogonal visual elements.

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
I remember that conversation. Ippiki's right, breasts are when they are fully exposed, even if they were wearing a microkini.

So we can't use tags such as hyper_breasts, titfuck, cum_on_breasts or breast_grab, unless they're completely exposed? Since those are all implicated to breasts?

No, that can't be right.

So we're not allowed to tag body parts unless they're 100% visible?

123easy said:
Ignore Ippiki, we've had this discussion dozens of times and each time it's come to the conclusion that clothed or not we wanna see breasts so it stays.

Just to be clear, it is never wise to tell people to ignore an admin. If an admin is wrong, please bring it up with me or the admin in question. Do not tell people to just ignore them.

Genjar said:
So we can't use tags such as hyper_breasts, titfuck, cum_on_breasts or breast_grab, unless they're completely exposed? Since those are all implicated to breasts?

No, that can't be right.

then maybe they shouldn't imply breasts. a titfuck can happen with the female's back turned to the viewer, and breast_grab can be done even if the girl's wearing a sweater, and why would we need the breasts tag if 0% of them are visible?

ippiki_ookami said:
then maybe they shouldn't imply breasts.

...or how about we just keep those like they are?
Changing the usage of long-established tags always creates massive amount of work, especially when it's something as widely used as breasts.

Even by TWYS, if an average user sees a busty female, I can guarantee that it gets tagged as breasts. Whether they're covered or not.

I'm still cleaning up after some tag changes from 2012, and many older users still haven't noticed that the definition has changed. Trying to change the usage of the breasts tag, which has been used as an umbrella tag for everything breast-related until now, would be absolute tagging nightmare.

and why would we need the breasts tag if 0% of them are visible?

For blacklisting and filtering.
Personally, I don't like seeing breasts on non-mammals, covered or not. So I prefer being able to filter those out.

If we need a tag for bare breasts, then how about we start tagging those as bare_breasts? Since even with 110000+ images to sort through, that'd still be a lot less work than changing the current definitions.

Genjar said:
Even by TWYS, if an average user sees a busty female, I can guarantee that it gets tagged as breasts. Whether they're covered or not.[...]

I'm guilty of that. Because I see them... either covered or not, but just if they have a shape that you can say "she has boobs"

Refer here and here

We use breasts as both a "penis" and a "bulge" tag itself, on top of it being the ur-tag for all breasts. If you admins want to do all the extra work of finding a term to use specifically when they're clothed when we can just use that tag and breasts, be my guest.