So, there's hair, then long_hair then very_long hair. Those are fine. Then black_hair, brown_hair, green_hair et al. Those are also fine.

Long_black_hair aand short_black_hair and their brethren are not.

hair length and hair colour should be segregated in tag form.

Search for short brown hair- short_hair brown_hair. Don't care the colour? short_hair. don't care the length? brown_hair.

Color and length are two separate catagories and as such their use in tag form should be separate.

Most of the short_*_hair and long_*_hair imply the length of hair, as well as the colour. We can't fork aliases, so we implied them. And aliasing them to a single tag would be difficult. Would you alias them to the length of hair, or the colour hair tag?

well.. I'd alias them to the hair color, honestly.. I think people are more likely to search for color rather then length. and 123's got it right in this is messy and redundant... but it IS also a big problem in the whole 'can't fork an alias' thing D:

we COULD go the other way... and make EVERYONE have short_blonde_hair etc, but then that's a LOT of retagging D:

Not only that but with the short_colour_hair you have the issues of wanting to search just colour_hair or just length_hair.

Fork aliases? no idea what that means, sorry. Or do you mean having one thing aliased to two things? In that case, I understand what you mean.

Could you make them imply long hair and black hair (in the case of long_black_hair, assuming they don't already) and then remove the tag that was doing the implying, so the posts would keep the tags?

If not- can they still imply something even if they're being aliased? if so, alias them to the colour and imply them to the length, would that work?

123easy said:
Fork aliases? no idea what that means, sorry. Or do you mean having one thing aliased to two things? In that case, I understand what you mean.

Yeah, aliasing one tag to two tags.

Could you make them imply long hair and black hair (in the case of long_black_hair, assuming they don't already) and then remove the tag that was doing the implying, so the posts would keep the tags?

http://e621.net/tag_implication?query=short_%2A_hair
http://e621.net/tag_implication?query=long_%2A_hair
These implications were added like months ago.
And we won't be removing the tag that makes the implications... this is just like the catgirl situation we have.

If not- can they still imply something even if they're being aliased? if so, alias them to the colour and imply them to the length, would that work?

No, that wouldn't work.

I was operating under the assumption of it not being done because it's better to assume nothing is there and prepare for it than to assume it is and fail because it isn't.

That said: catgirl situation? What's that?

Also: So I assume from that then that implications go away if the tag that was implying it goes away? I thought it just made the system add the tag automatically if that tag existed on a post, which would remain after. Thus making it imply the hair length and then aliasing to the colour should remove the overly-specific long/short_colour_hair tags- Is that incorrect, and, if so, howso and in what ways could we do something that won't involve a lot of manual retagging? If we can't, I'll go and do it.

123easy said:Thus making it imply the hair length and then aliasing to the colour should remove the overly-specific long/short_colour_hair tags- Is that incorrect, and, if so, howso and in what ways could we do something that won't involve a lot of manual retagging? If we can't, I'll go and do it.

unless the system does aliases first, THEN implications.

and the problem is more 'what about future posts?' we can get all the needed tags on the pictures we currently have, but what if I upload a new pic, someone tags long_red_hair on picture... what should it alias to? long_hair, or red_hair? that's what river was saying further up the page.

the 'best' we coud do would be to pick one, and try to be vigilant about tagging hair length/haircolor.

Well...I surprisingly don't have anything to say that hasn't been, other than this bugs me too and I wish I had an idea about how to work on it...

123easy said:
That said: catgirl situation? What's that?

Like, a post gets tagged with catgirl. Catgirl implies female and cat_ears. You won't get all the catgirl pics by searching catgirl, you get them by searching female cat_ears. It's like this cause you search long_brown_hair, you won't get as many pics with characters with long brown hair as you would if you searched long_hair brown_hair.

Snow: I'd say red_hair, definitely. Colour should take priority over length. There's already plenty of pictures I'm looking to go tag for length that aren't, just colour anyways.

River: Because more people tag it cat_ears than do catgirl? It's too bad you couldn't have two tags if present cause an implication together (so female and cat_ears implies catgirl). That'd solve a lot of problems. x_x

123easy said:
River: Because more people tag it cat_ears than do catgirl? It's too bad you couldn't have two tags if present cause an implication together (so female and cat_ears implies catgirl). That'd solve a lot of problems. x_x

Unfortunately, that ain't possible. And it wouldn't even work anyway. What if you get a catboy (guy with cat ears) and a female fox in the same picture? Wouldn't work.