statue and sculpture... they're... pretty much the same thing, aren't they? Could we alias them to sculpture?

Not all sculptures are statues though, and there's a couple kinks tied to statues.

All statues ARE sculptures though.

Yeah, an implication would work but an alias would hamper searches.

Shatari said:
Yeah, an implication would work but an alias would hamper searches.

how so?

Shatari said:
Not all sculptures are statues though, and there's a couple kinks tied to statues.

and.. how so?

I mean, I understand why they can't all become statues, statues are creature-shaped, but aren't they all sculptures? even if they are cast of metal, etc?

SnowWolf said:
how so?
and.. how so?

If I want to search for statues, I'd rather not have to wade through a sea of non-statue related sculptures. A statue is a specific type of sculpture, just like a pony is a specific type of equine.

SnowWolf said:I mean, I understand why they can't all become statues, statues are creature-shaped, but aren't they all sculptures? even if they are cast of metal, etc?

Like I said, implying sculptures would work, but making it harder to look for a specific type of sculpture would hamper searches.

I disagree with using an alias for this. An alias would fold both into the same tag, and make distinguishing them impossible. Meaning would be lost.

but where is the difference? The only difference I see between the tags here is that there are a *few* instances of a non-creature form scupture.

how do I write these wiki pages? I don't comprehend and all people are saying is "it's different"

I'm not sure what's confusing you, so I'll try again with the definitions:
Statue (Noun)
1. A three-dimensional work of art, usually of a person or animal, usually created by sculpting, carving, molding, or casting.

Sculpture (Noun)
1. (uncountable) The art of shaping figures or designs in the round or in relief, professionally performed by a sculptor.
2. (countable) A work of art created by sculpting.
3. Works of art created by sculpting, as a group.

Sculptures as a term includes a vast number of works from wall carvings, to hand-carved pendants, to statues themselves. It's a very broad term, and I feel that they shouldn't be lumped into the same tag.

alright... c_c; I don't see that we have very many non-statue sculptures... would someone with a better comprehension of this, then, go through these two tags--there's only about 150 images--and make sure they're all tagged properly then. I don't trust myself to do it and maybe if it's "correct" I can better see the distinction being placed between them so I can write wiki pages accurately.

It looks like people have been forgetting to add the statue tag where it's needed. I'll go through and try to clean that up here in a few hours. Wasn't there once a mass edit function, or am I just imagining things?

would massed produced plastic statues be sculptures, like the little virgin Mary statues? A mass produced work may be a statue... but is it a sculpture?

Shatari said:
It looks like people have been forgetting to add the statue tag where it's needed. I'll go through and try to clean that up here in a few hours. Wasn't there once a mass edit function, or am I just imagining things?

There is, but I belve only mods can use it.

there are a few tools available to upgraded accounts to make tagging easier in general, but not a mass edit.

Would it help you if I mass edited one tag to the other so you could just pick the others out and not have to do as much editing?

if so, how?

swamprootwolf said:
would massed produced plastic statues be sculptures, like the little virgin Mary statues? A mass produced work may be a statue... but is it a sculpture?

Well, it's technically sculpted. It depends on how literal we want to be. I suppose a rule of thumb could be: Would it be likely for someone looking at sculptures to want to see them?

SnowWolf said:
There is, but I belve only mods can use it.

Ah, it seems like it used to be available for everyone.

SnowWolf said:
Would it help you if I mass edited one tag to the other so you could just pick the others out and not have to do as much editing?

Nah, I'll wing it. I'll go ahead and get started.

Edit: It probably wouldn't hurt to go ahead and add that "statue" implies "sculpture".

Shatari said:
Well, it's technically sculpted.

True. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sculpture

Okay, I've polished them up, though you might want to go through and judge my work for yourself. Some of these were a bit touch and go.
Another implication suggestion: Sand_castle implies sculpture.

I'd say implicate all statues as sculptures. It even fits with Websters.

*Edit

I do see some statue that could be a transformation (i.e. a statue made from a Medusa ). this is the only problem I see. Otherwise, I'd happily continue tagging all statues as sculpture and profit!

Yeah, I mentioned that one in an edit up there. :)

hokay.. so the opinion is:

Statue implicates sculpture
sand_castle implies sculpture

Correct? :)

Additionally, Shatari, would you mind going and editing sculpture and statue with accurate text? :)

also, THANK YOU for the retagging :)

SnowWolf said:
hokay.. so the opinion is:
Statue implicates sculpture
sand_castle implies sculpture
Correct? :)

Sounds good.

SnowWolf said:
Additionally, Shatari, would you mind going and editing sculpture and statue with accurate text? :)

I think the sculpture page sounds good, and I've added the dictionary definition to the statue page since I think it's a good summary. By the way, is it possible for the site to auto-generate a list of implications at the end of a wiki entry? I think that would be neat.

SnowWolf said:
also, THANK YOU for the retagging :)

No problem. ^.^

Well, statues are generally in the round (you can walk around them), big (like lifesized or more), and/or represent a person or an animal. They're forms of sculpture, definitely, but sculpture can also be flat things (bas reliefs), small representational things in the round (statuettes or figurines), or abstract modern scuptures that aren't representational. So yeah, statue is definitely a tighter category than sculpture.

I've had a go at adding some extra criteria to the statue page, hopefully it makes sense :)

(Doesn't address the drawing-of-x vs. photo-of-real-world-x distinction, but maybe the real tag does. Tag combinations are our friends.)

...What the hell does "in the round" mean, exactly?

I imagine it means "to have a round base", but I'm not sure. By the way, when I was tagging I included statuettes with the statue tag too, since there's really no way to tell scale in most of them. I think at that point it gets to be too small a niche to matter, but we could change it if you'd like.

Common enough term meaning not flat on to the viewer, standing free. You can walk around it, or view it from all sides.

Idioms:
in the round
1. With the stage in the center of the audience.
2. Fully shaped so as to stand free of a background: a sculpture in the round.

— http://www.thefreedictionary.com/in+the+round (plus google)

Wiki page glossed since it's idiomatic. Hopefully that's OK for people.

It's british slang. that shouldn't ever be called common. >_>

123easy said:
...What the hell does "in the round" mean, exactly?

From what I read in the comment you are asking about, they mean it's 3 dimensional. You can view it "in the round " I.E. from 360 degrees.

Holy confusion batman!!!! A statue is a sculpture... always!!! Could be vise versa but not all sculptures are 3D. It's a fine line when considering a sculpture as a statue.

• Statue implicates sculpture
• sand_castle implies sculpture

Those are done. :) Thank you for the wiki edits~~