Please could this be removed? The ears are not really part of the face in the narrowest possible definition. Also, when someone describes something as a (relatively uncommon) facial piercing, they're actually trying to qualify the word "piercing" so it isn't misunderstood as a (relatively common) ear piercing.

Somebody will also have to go through the 4068 potential mis-taggings this may have caused. Might be a job for tag editing superpowers. Also the wiki docs.

The ears are vessels for sensory inputs just like the nose, eyes and mouth. Thus they belong in the same anatomical category as these other features. I think that the only reason the scalp can't be considered part of the face is because it requires direct physical contact to emit a sensory response.

Also, why should commonality even enter into it? I know plenty of people whose ears remain untouched, yet they've elected to poke holes in their eyebrows, lips and noses.

(Yes, I know that's an awkward use of the term commonality. Sue me.)

Well, technically the ears are part of the face. On the other hand, the term "facial piercing" isn't normally used to refer to ear piercings, so I can see why the implication could be a source of confusion.

Okay, okay.

ear piercing no longer implies facial piercings. facial piercing has been removed from all images with ear piercings, unless another tag auto implies facial piercing. o.o

Now someone else go edit the wiki plzkthanks <3

(Edit: this crossed SnowWolf's reply. Many thanks!)

So an ear is part of the face for sensing purposes, and it sort of isn't for making facial expressions. And they're handy for decoration, but so is your navel. I'm glad the English language is consistent and precise... oh wait, no it isn't. That's why you need to consider only the narrowest possible possible when you're making aliases and implications ☹

How usual something is matters for language. I wish it didn't and that everything were perfectly symmetrical, in fact I wish the tagging system here just let you enter "piercing" and suggested all of the subtypes automatically and made you pick one - but it doesn't.

Wahai hits the nail on the head. There's confusion in having this implication, particularly when it flies in the face (um,) of everyday usage and categorisation.

Ears make a big difference on general facial expressions. Having big ears with a smile makes it look goofy. Small ears can make your face as a whole look smaller, and make you appear shyer than you really are.

I'd also like to add that this was presented twice over already before and shot down BOTH times. Really annoyed that just because yet another thread got made about it, it got passed through.

123easy said:
I'd also like to add that this was presented twice over already before and shot down BOTH times. Really annoyed that just because yet another thread got made about it, it got passed through.

The previous time(s) this was brought up, I didn't see it as a problem, and I didn't want to manually retag 5000 images.

It being brought up again suggested that more than one or two people were bother by it, and I had recently figured out how to use the mass edit tool to make it so I didn't have to tag images one by one (because the sad truth is that despite people saying they'll help, very often they don't.)

Also, a month ago you supported the idea of leaving it, ya doof <3

Of leaving it as is, right. Thus why I'm annoyed that just because it got brought up again, it got passed before there was even any real discussion time on it even. I mean, it happened within the span of four hours.

well, the reason it happened so quickly, hun, is because if people said "actually, no, it should stay" it's as simple as reimplicating things. Everythign will automatically retag. unlike actually making an implication for the first time, this was a REALLY simple on/off implication. (turn on? ear_piercing implies facial_piercing! turn off? ear_piercing -facial piercing! wax on, wax off!)

So.. discuss. It's not closed by anymeans.

Are ear piercings facial piercings? should they imply it??

The way it seemed to be was a flat out "Okay, changing it without discussion" not "still open for discussion, just changing it for now".

That said, ear piercings are facial piercings. One's face is defined by the front... hemisphere? (can't think of a better way to say it) Anything that is easily visible in a front on view can be considered part of the facial region; while they may not be exactly exotic, as some of the other facial piercings can be considered, they still qualify.

Ears are part of the face, imho. Thus, a piercing of the ear is a piercing of the face.

The question isn't "correctness", but "usefulness". Are people searching for facial_piercing likely to be looking for ear piercings? I doubt it, though I can't say for sure. Is it likely that there are users who wish to find pictures of facial_piercings, but don't care about earrings? I think it is, and "facial_piercing -ear_piercing" isn't likely to be a good solution because it's completely possible for a character to have both facial piercings and ear piercings. In fact, it seems that a large fraction of images tagged with facial_piercing include ear_piercings, although without actually examining all the results I can't tell how many of those results are holdovers from the implication.

I do know that in many RL situations, "ear piercings" and "facial piercings" are considered separate categories (e.g. dress codes, where a blanket ban on "facial piercings" is common, while a blanket ban on ear piercings is rare), which is part of why I think it would be a good idea to leave them separately searchable.

Most of the social bans are because it is something further forward that draws visual focus, plus a general connotation of bad attitudes, laziness, uselessness etc. stereotypically associated with people that use non-standard piercings.

That said, could argue the same reasoning behind why they decided for whatever silly reason to make hyper_breasts imply huge_breasts which implys big_breasts, because it's "correct" since hyper breasts are big/huge, even if not useful at all for searchability.

eeeeexcept -hyper_breasts isn't going to remove content you want to see, if you don't want to see hyper_breasts. Whereas facial_piercing -ear_piercing is likely to.