The current tag description is as follows.

A sublabel of homosexual, sexual behaviour or attraction between two or more individuals of the same gender. The tag "lesbian" specifically refers to images or animations depicting female homosexuality. Images depicting male homosexuality should be tagged "gay".

The issue lies in sexual attraction; whether or not something actually depicts sexual attraction is way too subjective.

They are both stripping, looking at the other with their tongues out...looks lesbian to me.

I think this is an acceptable argument as it is right now, but I know that many only consider concrete examples such as sexual acts or utterances of sexual intent as lesbian.

My suggestion is to limit the tag to sexual activity (see naughty activity in the wiki) and clear examples of sexual interest depicted in the image EG verbal expression, physical activity or thoughts, dreams et cetera of sexual activity with another female.

I think physical contact is a key determining factor, that and obvious attraction to one another

Rainbow_Dash said:
I think physical contact is a key determining factor, that and obvious attraction to one another

How can we make that "obvious" more obvious?

Seems like some examples would come in handy, wouldn't you say?

Kimpumomo said:
The current tag description is as follows.

A sublabel of homosexual, sexual behaviour or attraction between two or more individuals of the same gender. The tag "lesbian" specifically refers to images or animations depicting female homosexuality. Images depicting male homosexuality should be tagged "gay".

The issue lies in sexual attraction; whether or not something actually depicts sexual attraction is way too subjective.

They are both stripping, looking at the other with their tongues out...looks lesbian to me.

I think this is an acceptable argument as it is right now, but I know that many only consider concrete examples such as sexual acts or utterances of sexual intent as lesbian.

My suggestion is to limit the tag to sexual activity (see naughty activity in the wiki) and clear examples of sexual interest depicted in the image EG verbal expression, physical activity or thoughts, dreams et cetera of sexual activity with another female.

Yes but the probelm would arise if its switched just to physical active then you will have a bunch of gay pictures of naked males stripping still tagged as gay even though its 2 sides of the same coin. One should effect the other, and if a image of two males tripping looking at each other and sticking there tongues out is tagged as gay then two females doing it should be tagged as lesbian.

If you want to change it for females to physical activity then your going have to do the same for males which many wont agree on.

also one could argue that "physical activity" is stripping, then we will have debates on females stripping each other vs ones looking at each other while they strip. I think we should just tag it as it is and leave it at that because if it was 2 males people would tag it gay on a heartbeat

Rainbow_Dash said:
that and obvious attraction to one another

Well they are stripping and looking at each other while doing it....that looks like obvious attraction to each other to me

also heres some examples of my point

https://e621.net/post/show/88067/

and another

https://e621.net/post/show/257951/

Oh look a image of two MALES stripping while looking at each other yet tagged as gay.....

now there are MANY images like this now for some reason when 2 females do it and they are nude its not tagged as lesbian? wtf

Conker said:
If you want to change it for females to physical activity then your going have to do the same for males

of course, you are right. gay and lesbian should be synonymous in all aspects except gender.

under my suggested description, the latter example provided would have its gay tag removed.

the first one does have a heart symbolising named attraction.

we can never escape the fact that tagging will be subjective. I just wish there were stricter guidelines to help users know what to expect when browsing certain tags.

any suggestions to how we might acquire less ambiguous sexual orientation tags?

Kimpumomo said:
of course, you are right. gay and lesbian should be synonymous in all aspects except gender.

under my suggested description, the latter example provided would have its gay tag removed.

the first one does have a heart symbolising named attraction.

we can never escape the fact that tagging will be subjective. I just wish there were stricter guidelines to help users know what to expect when browsing certain tags.

any suggestions to how we might acquire less ambiguous sexual orientation tags?

I dont think you can get people to tag the image as non gay or non lesbain because of the following reason...

If people see two guys stripping looking at each other making the faces the females did they will tag is as gay.....

now when females do it i think it should just be tagged at lesbains and leave it at that, we have a picture of 2 females stripping and are half naked getting to the rest while looking at each other with there tongues out.....

if that was 2 guys it be tagged as gay so i believe the lesbian tag is correct

There looks at each other do show attraction so I do belive it is lesbian even if they are not touching each other, hell some people perf to watch the other strip alone but still means they are lesbain/gay

Conker said:
There looks at each other do show attraction so I do belive it is lesbian even if they are not touching each other, hell some people perf to watch the other strip alone but still means they are lesbain/gay

Why are you so worked up over this? Yeesh.

Laevateinn said:
Why are you so worked up over this? Yeesh.

Why are you stalking my posts? Yeesh.

....Really guys? IS their something so hard to understand about this? I really wish I could understand why it's so constant we have users failing to understand such a simple rule. If they are not in the intimate act of fucking each others brains out, or their is nothing in the image that ACTIVELY POINTS THEM OUT AS LESBIANS OR GAYS {such as the female in female necklace, or male in male necklace, or tattoo, or something similar.} Then it will not get such tag. We almost EXCLUSIVELY use these tags for sexual interaction, "Not" Physical attraction or orientation.

Two girls stripping and looking at each other is in no way an indicator of them being lesbians, a lot of girls are more comfortable stripping around other girls even if their completely straight {Guys are quite the opposite for some reason}, and you can often see girls in clothing stores going into the dressing rooms together.

Princess_Celestia said:
....Really guys? IS their something so hard to understand about this? I really wish I could understand why it's so constant we have users failing to understand such a simple rule. If they are not in the intimate act of fucking each others brains out, or their is nothing in the image that ACTIVELY POINTS THEM OUT AS LESBIANS OR GAYS {such as the female in female necklace, or male in male necklace, or tattoo, or something similar.} Then it will not get such tag. We almost EXCLUSIVELY use these tags for sexual interaction, "Not" Physical attraction or orientation.

Two girls stripping and looking at each other is in no way an indicator of them being lesbians, a lot of girls are more comfortable stripping around other girls even if their completely straight {Guys are quite the opposite for some reason}, and you can often see girls in clothing stores going into the dressing rooms together.

I think that affectionate behavior between two females more than qualifies the image for lesbian.
See:
post #203156
post #204202

Yes, girls are more comfortable around one another regarding these circumstances, but the underlying question is Will people searching lesbian want to see these?

This just provides more evidence to the theory that girls tend more toward active bisexuality than guys do.

That's hardly scientific.

ippiki_ookami said:
Snip for size constraints.

It no more qualifies for lesbian then the "Straight" tag goes on male/female images of the same poses.

null0010 said:
That's hardly scientific.

By that logic, neither is psychology based on outward appearances.

ippiki_ookami said:
the underlying question is Will people searching lesbian want to see these?

I think this is what needs answering.

Do we want to see looking or licking, speaking or spiking, dubbing or rubbing.

Do we want to see lesbians, or do we want to see fucking lesbians?

note the adverb/verb ambiguity, lololol

Princess_Celestia said:

ippiki_ookami said:
I think that affectionate behavior between two females more than qualifies the image for lesbian.

It no more qualifies for lesbian then the "Straight" tag goes on male/female images of the same poses.

The straight, gay, and lesbian tags should all follow the exact same ruleset, regardless of what we end up deciding that ruleset is.

In my opinion, any image that overtly implies an Éros) - type (that is, sexual or romantic) relationship occurring between two individuals warrants one of those tags. If someone wants to see sex in addition to that, that's what we have the sex tag for, right?

Lesbians are vaginas, but TWICE!
Gross, right??

MaShCr said:

In my opinion, any image that overtly implies an Éros - type relationship occurring between two individuals warrants one of those tags. If someone wants to see sex in addition to that, that's what we have the sex tag for, right?

Good point!

but I can't help feeling like we are jumping to conclusions.

Look, they're hugging! GAY! post #263985

Kimpumomo said:
Good point!

but I can't help feeling like we are jumping to conclusions.

Look, they're hugging! GAY! post #263985

Obviously some gestures of affection, including hugs, are platonic. I guess a good common-sense test would be to ask yourself "would I be completely comfortable doing what the characters in the picture are doing with a close, blood-related, non-incestuous relative?" If the answer is yes, then the activity is neither romantic nor erotic.

DrHorse said:
Obviously some gestures of affection, including hugs, are platonic. I guess a good common-sense test would be to ask yourself "would I be completely comfortable doing what the characters in the picture are doing with a close, blood-related, non-incestuous relative?" If the answer is yes, then the activity is neither romantic nor erotic.

So, do we have a new definition or perhaps an add-on to the old definition, and which definition are we updating?

Lesbian or naughty activity?

Does this also mean that sexual orientation tags should include some form of naughty activity?

No, naughty activity has nothing to do with it. There are many straight/lesbian/gay posts rated safe, and I think it should stay that way.

Try searching "lesbian rating:s," and you'll get stuff like:
post #265561
post #136289

Naughty activity? lolno.

Physical intimacy? nope.

Sexual? Not really.

Lesbian? Obviously.

When you search for lesbians, you should get lesbians. All of them.

DrHorse said:
No, naughty activity has nothing to do with it. There are many straight/lesbian/gay posts rated safe, and I think it should stay that way.

Those images need to be untagged. We have very specific definitions for tags, including lesbian, and those images do not meet them.

null0010 said:
Those images need to be untagged. We have very specific definitions for tags, including lesbian, and those images do not meet them.

Where can these be found? The definition in the wiki would include those images.

Could you please give an update of what the correct definition is?

Don't get of wrong, I think I understand the implications of the tag, but I don't feel like I am the one to claim authority here.

null0010 said:
Those images need to be untagged. We have very specific definitions for tags, including lesbian, and those images do not meet them.

So you're saying
post #221637
this
post #78824
this
post #26655
this
post #265561
this
post #262807
this
post #261557
and this shouldn't be tagged lesbian just because the ratings are safe? That makes no sense.

Null just wants to find hot lesbian action without typing lesbian rating:e. :U

On Topic, I don't think it should be a purely sexual tag but instead a broader tag like Ippiki and DrHorse say.

NotMeNotYouMobile said:
Null just wants to find hot lesbian action without typing lesbian rating:e. :U

On Topic, I don't think it should be a purely sexual tag but instead a broader tag like Ippiki and DrHorse say.

but what.. about.. the foreplay!

Aurali said:
but what.. about.. the foreplay!

...foreplay? Is that edible?

NotMeNotYou said:
...foreplay? Is that edible?

I think its a toothpaste.

For a furry, simply existing is foreplay.

Could an admin please end this discussion by hammering a correct and definite description and linking to where this can be found?

we will probably not get very much further without the proper guidelines.

I fear the next step is retagging, though.
oh, well...

Alright we will set down the guides right now

The two tags will extend to romantic situations as well as sexual ones

Rainbow_Dash said:
Alright we will set down the guides right now

The two tags will extend to romantic situations as well as sexual ones

Hooray!

Wait... which two?

MaShCr said:
Hooray!

Wait... which two?

lesbian and gay

Rainbow_Dash said:
lesbian and gay

And straight remains strictly sexual?

MaShCr said:
And straight remains strictly sexual?

No. Nothing has been changed here.