Some time ago there was a lot of discussion about gay and gender tags, and somewhere was idea of introducing tags prefixed with 'stated'. Then I saw usage of stated_homosexuality, and I thought that maybe it was indeed introduced. But now, I've looked at this and those tags are mess (stated_lesbian should be aliased to stated_homosexuality, or instead stated_homosexuality there should be stated_gay), and very rarely used.
So, anyway, they need an alias, either aforementioned, or to invalid_tag.

Mind giving us a link to the discussion? What was the intent of this prefix?

I remember this. This tag has nothing to do with the orientation of the characters, but rather if one openly says he or she is gay, thus, stated homosexuality. post #231947 This is an example of a solo image (and by tagging rules has no orientation) and how the stated homosexuality tag is supposed to be used.

Also of note, stated_lesbian and stated_bisexuality have been aliased to it because stating "I am gay" in a post will often be referring to both genders, rather than just gay for males and lesbian for females, as we tag here on e621

Interesting, so is this exclusive to text or would symbols like a linked ♀♀ or ♂♂ tattoo on someone qualify too?

MaShCr said:
Interesting, so is this exclusive to text or would symbols like a linked ♀♀ or ♂♂ tattoo on someone qualify too?

Marking the person with an impression of thinking that they're gay or either lesbian by the tattoo? Well of course, everyone looks at some people by the cover. That's a good question, though.

But think of this as if some person that is male that have this tattoo "♂♂" upon his arms. But that person is straight and you know, umm, having a relationship with a woman, just only doing it for the tattoo and also some people do tattoos for different reasons instead of showing how proud their sexual orientation is. But what about being bisexual? Eh, you'll just never know if that person is, if the image only show a duo, of only a male and a woman.

It's rather subtle but yeah.

Also

Am I drunk still, MaShCr?

Wouldn't be stated_sexuality be a better term? It encloses straight, gay, lesbian and bisexual in one tag...

Xch3l said:
Wouldn't be stated_sexuality be a better term? It encloses straight, gay, lesbian and bisexual in one tag...

No, because saying "I am straight" is not included in this tag

Xch3l said:
Wouldn't be stated_sexuality be a better term? It encloses straight, gay, lesbian and bisexual in one tag...

We could do that, I'm more a fan of expanding it to a tag for each orientation though.

Keats said:
Marking the person with an impression of thinking that they're gay or either lesbian by the tattoo? Well of course, everyone looks at some people by the cover. That's a good question, though.

But think of this as if some person that is male that have this tattoo "♂♂" upon his arms. But that person is straight and you know, umm, having a relationship with a woman, just only doing it for the tattoo and also some people do tattoos for different reasons instead of showing how proud their sexual orientation is. But what about being bisexual? Eh, you'll just never know if that person is, if the image only show a duo, of only a male and a woman.

It's rather subtle but yeah.

Also

Am I drunk still, MaShCr?

That's a good point, if we implement the prefix, it needs to be independent of any actions actually taking place, and the current gender-gender tags need to be independent of any statements being made. In the case of your first example, the image would be tagged straight because the guy is actually having relations with a woman and stated_gay because his tattoo is still making that statement, however contradictory it may seem. Additionally, while one might think that that situation qualifies him as bisexual, because actions and statements are decoupled and he is neither engaged in a bisexual act nor is he making a bisexual statement, no tag would be warranted.

And probably Keats, but at least you're getting to be more functional about it.

MaShCr said:
Additionally, while one might think that that situation qualifies him as bisexual, because actions and statements are decoupled and he is neither engaged in a bisexual act nor is he making a bisexual statement, no tag would be warranted.

So what if....

That woman is a herm?
What if that woman is a dickgirl?
What if they were in a orgy with a herm, dickgirl, regular male, and a regular female regardless of how many dickgirls, herms, etc?

If the dickgirls and herms were presented in the image then this stated tag won't be there, because it doesn't make any sense the way I think of it.

Does that one still think that man will still be bisexual if one of these happen?

:x

Keats said:
So what if....

That woman is a herm?
What if that woman is a dickgirl?
What if they were in a orgy with a herm, dickgirl, regular male, and a regular female regardless of how many dickgirls, herms, etc?

If the dickgirls and herms were presented in the image then this stated tag won't be there, because it doesn't make any sense the way I think of it.

Does that one still think that man will still be bisexual if one of these happen?

:x

unless I got that right, this answer will be stupid xD

intersex doesn't count when we speak of sexuality right? -and orgies are often a mess of tags to begin with.

but something interesting came up when you mentioned male/male.

should stated_homosexuality be canceled out by an actual sexuality tag, or does it stay regardless?

Rainbow_Dash said:
No, because saying "I am straight" is not included in this tag

Why not? You're still stating your sexual preference. This tag could be used when someone explicitly states it. Like post #163227 well, maybe not

MaShCr said:
We could do that, I'm more a fan of expanding it to a tag for each orientation though.

Specific? Does "hey_i_just_met_you_and_this_is_crazy_but_lemme_say_that_i'm_lesbian/gay/bi" work?
j/k I meant that the tag could work as an umbrella tag

Keats said:
Does that one still think that man will still be bisexual if one of these happen?

Maybe not, unless the guy is screams out loud "I LIEK BIG GUYS AND GALS!! AND I CAN'T LIE!!" *shrug*

Kimpumomo said:
should stated_homosexuality be canceled out by an actual sexuality tag, or does it stay regardless?

What is the difference between stated and actual?

If I wasn't clear before, I was thinking of something like this:

Statement-indicated orientation tags: stated_straight, stated_gay, stated_lesbian, stated_bisexual
Action-indicated orientation tags: straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual

Note that unlike the stated_bisexual tag which can be present by itself, the bisexual tag must always be accompanied by the straight tag and either the gay or lesbian tag depending on the acting character's gender.

Keats said:
What is the difference between stated and actual?

the actual gay tag would require some gay activity (eg butsecs) for it to apply.

I guess it was a dumb question, really.

if a male is pounding another male while saying "I'm gay" there's really no reason for stated sexuality not to be tagged as well.

Now the real question to ask is if the stated_* tags should include the statements made or implied by the artist within the drawing in addition to those made or implied by the character itself. Something like an arrow pointing from the words "HE'S GAY" to a character. If so, then should in-image stories and narrative captions be taken into consideration as well?

We are making a much bigger deal out of this small tag than we need to. The tag has nothing to do with any of the characters' genders or orientation. It is simply tagged when any character states that they are homosexual

I might alias it to stated_orientation, but honestly my only concern is that we have so much "I really like her", "She's really hot" etc. that might make the tag subject to abuse. The other thing I don't want is to break it down into separate orientations because then we'd arguing over what constitutes gay/bi/lesbian in each pic, nevermind what is already there

Guys, this is supposed to be a silly funny joke tag.

null0010 said:
Guys, this is supposed to be a silly funny joke tag.

Then hey_i_just_met_you_and_this_is_crazy_but_lemme_say_that_i'm_lesbian/gay/bi is valid :V

Rainbow_Dash said:
We are making a much bigger deal out of this small tag

A bigger deal?

PPPFFFFFFTTTTTTT

Naw, we were just clearing it out, you know. :v

MaShCr said:
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Note that unlike the stated_bisexual tag which can be present by itself, the bisexual tag must always be accompanied by the straight tag and either the gay or lesbian tag depending on the acting character's gender.

Wait, what?
Why would the bisexual tag require any of those other tags?

Xch3l said:
Then hey_i_just_met_you_and_this_is_crazy_but_lemme_say_that_i'm_lesbian/gay/bi is valid :V

I don't follow your logic.

Hammie said:
Wait, what?
Why would the bisexual tag require any of those other tags?

Think about it. For a character to be doing something bisexual, they must be doing something with both a member of the opposite sex (straight) and a member of the same sex (gay or lesbian depending on the character's gender).

MaShCr said:
Think about it. For a character to be doing something bisexual, they must be doing something with both a member of the opposite sex (straight) and a member of the same sex (gay or lesbian depending on the character's gender).

Problem is, no one will ever search for both tags, and most people searching for gay or straight don't want to have to -gay or -straight to avoid the bisexual stuff.
The only time that both would be appropriate would be in a multi-panel image like a comic that contains both bisexual and straight/gay/lesbian acts.

MaShCr said:
Think about it. For a character to be doing something bisexual, they must be doing something with both a member of the opposite sex (straight) and a member of the same sex (gay or lesbian depending on the character's gender).

what about if a guy is fucking another guy who is fucking a girl who is eating out another girl, are any of them straight?

slyroon said:
what about if a guy is fucking another guy who is fucking a girl who is eating out another girl, are any of them straight?

Vorarephilia doesn't specify if the character is straight or not.
It is simply an arousal when being eaten by someone else regardless of the gender.

Keats said:
Vorarephilia doesn't specify if the character is straight or not.
It is simply an arousal when being eaten by someone else regardless of the gender.

I was talking about cunnilingus

slyroon said:
I was talking about cunnilingus

All of them count them as bisexual, no matter how many gender specific characters are in there if only another different sexual situation happen, then the whole orientation probably change, wholly.

Keats said:
All of them count them as bisexual, no matter how many gender specific characters are in there if only another different sexual situation happen, then the whole orientation probably change, wholly.

not when comes to tagging. If a girl is solely having sex with another girl, then shes a lesbian and if that other girl is having sex with a man, while having sex with the first girl, then she is bisexual, and if the man is having sex with another man while having sex with the girl then he too is bisexual, while the last man is solely having sex with the first man then he is gay.

they aren't all bisexual just because some are.

slyroon said:
not when comes to tagging. If a girl is solely having sex with another girl, then shes a lesbian and if that other girl is having sex with a man, while having sex with the first girl, then she is bisexual, and if the man is having sex with another man while having sex with the girl then he too is bisexual, while the last man is solely having sex with the first man then he is gay.

they aren't all bisexual just because some are.

I knew you are going to say them as separately, instead of them as a whole. Now, is this your thinking on a normal orgy? If so, do you really classify them as a whole? Or individually in the orgy?

Is classifying them as a whole result in a dangerous tagging?

Ah, but you aren't classifying the individuals, but the acts being preformed in the image.

If there's males only involved in said act, it's gay.
All females, lesbian.
One of each, straight.
A mixture with more than 2 members, bisexual.

This thread is derailing fast

This tag is has nothing to do with any gender or orientation of the sexual acts in the image. An inanimate object with no gender could have a speech bubble saying "I am gay" therefor stated homosexuality. That's all this tag is for; for the acts genders and orientations, use the traditional gay, straight, lesbian, bisexual tags.