Due to this being a fairly heated conversation, and getting fairly hard to find, the coveration from :
http://e621.net/post/show/41503/

Should be continued here.

I will be posting replies to quotes from this thread, and I'm sorry about any difficulties working between them. I do feel this is very necessary that we resolve this. I apologize if my emotions get heated before hand, and for the ones in the thread listed above. I was crabby and needed my beauty sleep.

Keep both tags. +1

Dnice said:
Why don't we use both names in the tags, and place a note on the hottest/weirdest images stating "These are correctly known as Zanbergs , not sea angels - VulpesFoxnik." That way, people can find and be corrected on this all at once.

Because, In my honest opinion, this is not something we should be willing compromise about. I will be attempting to explain why in this post. And for the sake of this argument, and I don't mean this as a personal attack Dnice, but please attempt to learn to spell then right, it's Zanburgs.

Anonym said:
As a more on-topic aside, this is an English website; Adding foreign ascii characters is about as helpful to archive navigation as a Sherpa is to deep sea exploration.

Keep the English artist names. No one likes a Wapanese hot-shot pretending people are impressed by their knowledge of the language. Making life easier for them is anti-productive to our ends.

I agree, this is an English site, however Zanburg (ザンブルグ) is not a Japanese name, as it has been written in Katakana, something primary used for foreign words and terms. I'm not showing off, my comprehension of Japanese is actually near non existent. I use tools to read, like kiten and on-line translators to attempt to piece together what they are saying. What I can remember mainly is hiragana and katakana, which are near useless without vocabulary and knowing Kanji. The help file actually makes mention of Japanese and other language names, and there is a policy, concerning aliasing, specifically artists.

You'll see five fields. <em>Name</em> is self-explanatory. <em>Jap Name/Aliases</em> is for any aliases the artist has. For example, you would place the artist's name in kanji or kana in this field.

This applies to all languages. The use of Kanji in some artist tags is because some of them are very hard to accurately romanise. Japanese names are a bitch with multiple ways to actually read them in some cases.

Now aliases in the tag system don't work the same, the best we have is ambiguous: , and that only applies to tags with similar names, so this does not work for sea_angel -> Zanburg. In addition, Sea Angel is far from an alias, it is incorrect information, and creates possible tag collisions.

idoruoidℵ2 said:
It comes down to this: Establishing fact and opinion and propagating information is what a Wiki is designed for.

And the tags are supposed to reflect the information in the wiki. They are part of the same database, not independent.

idoruoidℵ2 said:
The tagging in a database is structured for search-ability, not accuracy. Imagine how useless Google would be if they deliberately filtered out results that weren't technically accurate in terms of spelling or other linguistic considerations (such as accent marks just to name one example).

And as you can see, I have made a page for Petaroh and Zanburg. Both are older than this conversation.
Google does it all the time actually with dmca violating materials and things like sites reported for child pornography. e621's database deals with accurate tagging even if some of those tags have been proven to conflict or are inaccurate. This is a problem, and is known as tag vandalism. People like Kitsu~ also run scripts, ripping tags without checking the database from other Danbooru style sites. The point is we should be striving for accuracy, and not just say "ho-hum" and not correct it.

idoruoidℵ2 said:
If this artist's work is being propagated in file sharing communities as "sea angels" then there's no constructive reason to not tag it as such. Providing superfluous information is virtually the goal of the tagging process to begin with.

Rippers are only partially to blame, but they are far from being accurate on information. For example some people assume all artwork is on a page belongs to said artist, when in fact, it's really fan art. E621 has a social obligation to keep our information as accurate as possible, not for e-fame.

EpsilonDarkmatter said:
Way to play the race card, Vulpes. Seriously, though, your argument was valid and rational up until that point.

Folks, never play the race card in a debate. EVER.
teh moar u no
====----*

TBH, most of the thread wasn't an argument, it was contradiction. (/monty python)

Actually, race has a large amount to do with this, in this case race as in species. I apologies for using such a word and example, I was near falling asleep. However I have thought of a better example now that my mind has rested.

Let's look at another creation of Japanese creation, the Sergal, by Trancy Mick. In this situation, the rippers, and 4chan, were pre-informed by Trancy Mick himself about his character, be it in poor English. He himself romanised the name. In the case of Petaroh, all we have is his images and blogs to go by, which many of you cannot read. The Japanese word for Sea Angel is クリオネ, and I assure you, you will not find it anywhere on his site or images.

This particular romanisation was done by CannibalKitty, who has worked on fansub projects before. I would of called than zanburugu, however, this is not really how Katakana should be treated in most cases. I do agree that Zanburg is likely the artist's intended name for the species.
In addition.

mellis said:
The cardinal rule here too - post what you SEE in the image, not things that have to be described from an external source. (Examples of this - if a character looks 10 but artist says it's 700 years old, keep cub tag. If character looks exactly like a unicorn but artist says its actually a turtle, you should probably tag it as a unicorn.)

This statement especially applies here. Zanburgs do not look like sea angels at all.

I feel this is equivocal to calling gay solo male images masturbating as gay, it's just plain incorrect.

VF, I feel you are trying to elevate this site to something it is not. e621 is not some sort of High Official Archive of all the Kingdom's Furriness, to be handed down for generation upon generation. This site is for entertainment, and the people that come here do so to enjoy what the site has to offer.

With that said, what's the harm in having this additional tag, if it helps people find these images and furthers their enjoyment of this website?

And If the admins here felt there was a problem with the way people tag images, they would take steps to eliminate the 20%-30% of single reference tags we see on this site. They don't, so it must not be a concern for them.

You keep bringing up points to reinforce your argument that the term "sea angel" should go. Bottom line, by removing one important identifier for this body of work, you are, as I stated before, restricting access to these images by people who are looking for them under the name "sea angel," as many individuals out there on the web know them as. I'm certain that you would not want anyone to restrict your access to something you enjoy, even if you only know that "thing" by a mistaken term. Yet that is exactly what you are trying to do to everyone else.

You keep mentioning Zanburgs don't look like sea angels. Well, can you prove to me that they look like aliens? If you can't, you should be just as diligent in removing the "alien" tag on so many of the posted images.

And this isn't the same as the "Gay solo male" image example you've offered. We aren't speaking about the action or the content within an image, we are only referring to proper names. We have a unique situation here, where others who have come across these images online know them only as "sea angels."

If I were the site owner, I would be quite upset with you over this. By limiting access to images, you are costing this site pageviews, and pageviews equate to money. We don't have to pay to access any of this great content, and we shouldn't do anything to prevent anyone from accessing it either.

I tried to protest over an image posted here, that wasn't furry. I was promptly shown my error, and told not to try to backseat moderate. You seem to have appointed yourself Lord High Tag Czar. You are taking this a bit too seriously. Let others come to this site for enjoyment, which is it's purpose.

who gets butthurt over this
for fuck's sake it's a tag

I'm going to go fix the wiki articles so they don't read like they were written by douches

Anyway, A more accurate example is the fact that the animal called a "binturong" is colloquially called a Bearcat even though it is neither a bear, nor a cat. It's called that because it looks like those things. Someone nicknamed these Zanburgs "Sea angels" because they look pretty, and are sleek and aquatic looking. Plenty of other similar cases exist.

EDIT: man is that giant enormous header really that necessary
i think the paragraph about how FUCK NO THIS ISNT A SEA ANGEL is more than enough without a giant throbbing e-cock of a headline pulsing its way angrily across everyone's monitor

EDIT2: fixed your typoes

there's no such thing as "incorrectly" associated. Associations do not have a boolean value. If I associate vagtitties with horrible nightmares, that's an association, it can't be "wrong" (at least for me). Hence why that vagtitties pic is labeled "Nightmare Fuel". I'm sure that for someone out there, that pic is not only NOT nightmarish, but ACTUALLY intensely arousing, but you don't seem to want that tag removed so badly.

Also that dickwaggling h4 header is obnoxious so I removed it again. The articles say all the information they need to. They don't need screaming bold text to say ACTUALLY YOU SHOULD HAVE ROLLED 3d10+4 not 3d12 NOW GET OUT OF MY BASEMENT AND DONT FORGET TO PAY MY MOM FOR THE PIZZA AND GINGERALE

Enoch, it seems that VF is going to be a tag-nazi in regards to this issue. Things have to go his way. There's no room even for a win-win compromise.

The real irony here is that he's really fighting against the real purpose, propagating the correct term for these images.

If he were wise, he would say to himself "Hm, you know, if we allow both tags with correcting notation, people who search for "sea angel" would be informed of the proper name of these images. If at some point the tagged images on this site appear in google image searches, I could single-handedly wipe out the whole sea angel misconception!"

But no, instead, he brings up Katakana and Kanji, the database, and a whole slew of other points in an attempt to win this small battle, without seeing how he could win the entire war.

Enoch-Fox said:
EDIT: man is that giant enormous header really that necessary
i think the paragraph about how FUCK NO THIS ISNT A SEA ANGEL is more than enough without a giant throbbing e-cock of a headline pulsing its way angrily across everyone's monitor

Thats as small as they get (I think). I used h3. which should appear as a sub section title.

I'd like them to be there, since there seems to be large confusion over them.

Dnice said:

If he were wise,

If I was a he...

Enoch, it seems that VF is going to be a tag-nazi in regards to this issue. Things have to go her way. There's no room even for a win-win compromise.

The real irony here is that she's really fighting against the real purpose, propagating the correct term for these images.

If she were wise, she would say to herself "Hm, you know, if we allow both tags with correcting notation, people who search for "sea angel" would be informed of the proper name of these images. If at some point the tagged images on this site appear in google image searches, I could single-handedly wipe out the whole sea angel misconception!"

But no, instead, she brings up Katakana and Kanji, the database, and a whole slew of other points in an attempt to win this small battle, without seeing how she could win the entire war.

Dnice said:
Enoch, it seems that VF is going to be a tag-nazi in regards to this issue. Things have to go her way. There's no room even for a win-win compromise.

The real irony here is that she's really fighting against the real purpose, propagating the correct term for these images.

If she were wise, she would say to herself "Hm, you know, if we allow both tags with correcting notation, people who search for "sea angel" would be informed of the proper name of these images. If at some point the tagged images on this site appear in google image searches, I could single-handedly wipe out the whole sea angel misconception!"

But no, instead, she brings up Katakana and Kanji, the database, and a whole slew of other points in an attempt to win this small battle, without seeing how she could win the entire war.

Good going dumbass. Your now polluting the real Sea angels image tag.

Whoops! So sorry. That particular aspect of the site is new to me. I'll get the hang of it.

It's a pity that you're resorting to name calling now. I actually happen to like you, VF. You've made contributions to this site, which I enjoy.

I just feel you're being unfair on this issue.

Dnice said:
Whoops! So sorry. That particular aspect of the site is new to me. I'll get the hang of it.

It's a pity that you're resorting to name calling now. I actually happen to like you, VF. You've made contributions to this site, which I enjoy.

I just feel you're being unfair on this issue.

Honestly I would wish you would wait for Mellis or another Mod to make a decision before tagging all of them.

I could tell you the same, before you remove all the tags.

Dnice said:
I could tell you the same, before you remove all the tags.

Except the sea_angel didn't exist till you came and started adding it.

There was one image here tagged sea angel. I added tags to the others.

And I think that removing tags is worse than adding. By removing tags, you actually remove images from certain searches. Adding tags has the opposite effect.

VulpesFoxnik said:
Good going dumbass. Your now polluting the real Sea angels image tag.

The three-image real Sea angels image pool that you started three hours ago, which, assuming good faith I must presume is purely not for the sake of making a claim of tag misuse in this argument, but merely because talking this out on e621 has gotten you madly curious and interested in sea slugs?

VulpesFoxnik, you've crossed the line into trolling now. And the two of you are edit-warring like a couple of first graders. Grow up and let Arcturus or another administrator make a final judgement on the topic and find something better to do with your lives.

You know, this could be the beginning of a wonderful romance. From here this can go either way, be it avoiding each other or getting closer to each other because while arguing about these oh-so-important tags in length and width you started figuring out what each other's like and actually enjoyed this - admit it - pointless discussion. If there's a happy end to this you could send a movie script to Storge Luberg who will reject it initially, but after some rewriting by himself and the addition of a couple of UFO's to the plot will actually make it happen. Yay another trashy love-story.

Are you done here? This has really been going on for too long...

idoruoidℵ2 said:
The three-image real Sea angels image pool that you started three hours ago, which, assuming good faith I must presume is purely not for the sake of making a claim of tag misuse in this argument, but merely because talking this out on e621 has gotten you madly curious and interested in sea slugs?

VulpesFoxnik, you've crossed the line into trolling now. And the two of you are edit-warring like a couple of first graders. Grow up and let Arcturus or another administrator make a final judgement on the topic and find something better to do with your lives.

Oh so posting new images using the valid tags, images that do belong her is trolling now? I didn't get the memo.

I'm done editing them back and forth, however I still feel that Dnice is introducing bad practices and tagging into the system, equivalent to tag vandalism.

SpanKing said:
You know, this could be the beginning of a wonderful romance.

Your assuming I'm straight.

VulpesFoxnik said:
I'm done editing them back and forth, however I still feel that Dnice is introducing bad practices and tagging into the system, equivalent to tag vandalism.

This is different from introducing images into the database in the middle of an argument for the sake of forking a tag and making it ambiguous (so people can't say you're saving the tag for... nothing) how exactly?

FWIW, I think nearly everything you've had to say about the zanberg and patorah's work are valid and belong on e621 to help disperse the misconception about these creatures being sea angels. But all of that information belongs in the Wiki, not in a deliberately constricted tag list that limits certain users' ability to find images on e621. Even if keeping the sea angel tag is acknowledging a careless misnomer, it's still a reasonable hook to throw out there for users seeking petorah's artwork. That's what matters most in the image tagging process. Informational accuracy is a game for a different playground.

Jesus fucking christ. Dnice, you even fucking admit that the term 'sea angels' is an incorrect tag, and yet still insist on tagging them. You're cluttering up tags by making it HARDER to search for the correct images by adding incorrect tags because people 'might' search the incorrect term. Think about this. Why don't we just tag every image with every tag if we follow this retarded logic to its ends. Again: you're tagging an image...with tags you know are incorrect...on the off chance someone searches an term but actually only wants images belonging to a completely different term, and not the ones that actually use that term.

We have a 'term' for this too - tag vandalization.

You have 24 hours to change the tags back yourself, or I'm banning you for a century. Mother fuck.

I hate our userbase.

idoruoidℵ2 said:
Even if keeping the sea angel tag is acknowledging a careless misnomer, it's still a reasonable hook to throw out there for users seeking petorah's artwork. That's what matters most in the image tagging process. Informational accuracy is a game for a different playground.

You are retarded and should feel bad.

The ONLY time you should be using a tag you know is incorrect is when it's impossible for a user to know otherwise through looking at the image - the two examples that get bandied about most commonly are the creature that looks exactly like a duck in all respects but the artist insists it's a porcupine - tagged as duck, and the character that looks 6 but the artist insists it's actually over 1000 years old - tagged as cub.

The rule of tagging is to tag what you SEE in the image. If you're knowingly adding tags for a completely different things than appear in the image, incorrect alternate terms, or a known bad translations/outright wrong tags, you are a tag vandal. Your tags are doing nothing but making actual legitimate searches on those tags error-filled and inaccurate, defeating the entire purpose of the tagging system in the first place.

Well, you can't argue with an admin.

Mellis, this was a unique situation, not the same as your duck and cub examples. We were dealing with proper names, not stuff you could see in the picture.

I don't blame you for not reading most of this debate, but as for these images, the majority of people who can't read japanese know them as sea angels. Even Google has them listed as such. It's an error, but leaving it would allow people to find them on this site, and then they could be set straight as to the correct name.

It seemed practical to me, especially from a webmaster's point of view. Allowing these images to hit on the term sea angels means more pageviews, more banner impressions, more money.

And by the way, there were no other "Sea angel" images here, until VF added them just for the sake of this debate.

Well, I liked the site, but I won't stay if I'm not wanted.

Who said you're not wanted? Just change the tags back. As much as you think it helps, it doesn't. You'd THINK that tagging like that would increase pageviews. In the short term it would. In the long term, it would establish a trend of it being acceptable to add purposely incorrect tags, leading to inaccurate or confusing/conflicting tags, which in turn eventually leads to pissed off users leaving the site because you can't fucking find anything.

In short, I don't care how commonly accepted something is, if it's just outright wrong, and you know it's outright wrong, then unless there's some important reason to label it wrong to maintain tag integrity, like the examples noted before, don't tag it with that wrong tag.

Dnice said:

Well, I liked the site, but I won't stay if I'm not wanted.

Well, considering your activity here, I would say you're not wanted.

mellis said:
The ONLY time you should be using a tag you know is incorrect is when it's impossible for a user to know otherwise through looking at the image - the two examples that get bandied about most commonly are the creature that looks exactly like a duck in all respects but the artist insists it's a porcupine - tagged as duck, and the character that looks 6 but the artist insists it's actually over 1000 years old - tagged as cub.

That isn't the same dichotomy we're looking at with this group of images though. That describes a situation where artist intention conflicts with viewer interpretation. Which is bound to happen and obvious presents a potential need for exception when it comes to tagging.

Zanburg vs Sea angel is a language barrier issue. Comforting as it may be to presume that the internet has torn down all language barriers, it obviously hasn't. Many users, such as myself, are only able to search for specific artists' work online in English terms, unless the correct string of moon runes are hand-fed to us from some other source.

If you can read and type katakana, that's great, as cannibalkitteh demonstrated that makes it very easy to find petorah's work under the artist's original term. But what is the likelihood someone capable of doing that would come here looking for those images rather than the artist's own Pixiv page? I can't help but point out at this juncture, that the two most vocal proponents for sticking with zanburg and eliminating the sea angel term from e621, are people who bring images to this site from Pixiv, including petorah's art.

So far, no one has disputed the claim that a Google search for sea angel turns up more relevant links to petorah's artwork than zanburg does. The term may be inaccurate, but the association is out there.

There are lots of cases where the meaning of words changes, or is ignored between speakers of different languages. Just to name a few easy ones of questionable authenticity in English: Otaku, kamikaze, monsoon. Do we really want to attempt to maintain arbitrary restrictions on these tags as well, limiting them to only pictures of asocial fetishism, fighter pilot suicides, and seasonal winds respectively? Is being that strictly "accurate" really best for the database?

I agree with the desire to not encourage the spread of inaccurate terminology, but there are other ways of dealing with that other than pretending the prevailing term doesn't exist. If maintaining a tag by that name is disagreeable, how about setting up an alias, sea angel → zanburg? (EDIT: N/m, that won't work now that people are posting actual sea slug art...) The term is out there, we may as well let it point people in the right direction, rather than sending them away with zero results for lack of complete information on their part.

This brings me back to the point I made previously about the Wiki. e621 obviously has a Wiki built-in and linked to the tags for good reason. The Wiki framework is designed to create clarity out of confusion and disseminate information authoritatively. I realize and accept that the Wiki is not the focus of the community here and that it doesn't get anywhere near the level of peer-review as any given Wikipedia article. But the fact remains that it's there, and that clarifying information for users on controversial topics like this one is what the platform was created for. The stubs that have been pulled together for these two terms in the past 48 hours is a perfect example of its effectiveness I'd say.

My final 0.14 CNY.

It seems pretty straightforward to me.

The correct tag is ultimately the tag that lets a person find an image they were looking for.

English speakers know it as Sea Angels. It's name in Japanese may be Zanburg, but most people seem to know them as Sea Angels.

If you are going to tag it as anything, it should be tagged by the English name because this is primarily an English website. But honestly, it should be tagged as both.

Sometimes things have multiple names (Example: Kitsune = Japanese Fox). Somethings things are mistranslated, or deliberately mistranslated...

Perhaps the best example is this...

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On the site, there are currently 104 images tagged "Tailmon". All 104 images are also tagged as "Gatomon". Both are the exact same character, but it's two different commonly accepted names for the same character. One is the Japanese name, and the other is the English name.
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Zanburg = Japanese
Sea Angel = English

At least that's how I see it. Grain of salt.

Marbles said:
On the site, there are currently 104 images tagged "Tailmon". All 104 images are also tagged as "Gatomon". Both are the exact same character, but it's two different commonly accepted names for the same character. One is the Japanese name, and the other is the English name.

The difference here is localization. Both terms are correct because the copyright holders say they are. Here, the copyright holder, Petaroh, has not localized the term himself, instead the 'localizers' are nothing but a bunch of 4channers who don't actually know Japanese to localize it.

And I really don't understand all this complaint about Japanese Furry artists. Artists hail from all over. There will always be a language barrier.

A Small sample of our sources from foreign artists:
Dr. Comet - Korean
Trancy Mick - Japanese
Inuki - German
Spotty the Cheetah - Russian
Sindoll - Japanese
karabiner - Japanese
wolfy-nail - Russian
Ka - Japanese

Some of these have English sites, others don't, and some don't speak English fluently, and also populate a large selection of the board. Both Japanese, Korean, and Russian use different character sets.

VulpesFoxnik said:
And I really don't understand all this complaint about Japanese Furry artists. Artists hail from all over. There will always be a language barrier.

I certainly didn't see anyone who was complaining about foreign furry artists. Some of my favorite artists hail from other parts of the world.

But it's also somewhat unreasonable to expect people in other nations to speak/read English, and by the same measure, unreasonable to expect English-speakers to speak/read other languages.

People can be understanding and accepting of other cultures without being fluent in their dialect.

Marbles said:
I certainly didn't see anyone who was complaining about foreign furry artists. Some of my favorite artists hail from other parts of the world.

But it's also somewhat unreasonable to expect people in other nations to speak/read English, and by the same measure, unreasonable to expect English-speakers to speak/read other languages.

People can be understanding and accepting of other cultures without being fluent in their dialect.

When people who refer to the languages as moonspeak, or start calling the translators Wapanese, this is a problem with hostility to the presence of these words and justifications on why some things are tagged some way. People seem to want Zanburgs here as they want Sergals here, so we should do our best to accommodate them correctly to the system.

The real challenge of any tagging system is reducing tag naming collisions. For example take Huskie. This is a misspelling, and is actually a character/artist's user name. The racial species is actually Husky. Ambiguous only helps so much. I really wish there were a way to assign what shows up as an disambiguation (and if there is, other than in the wiki, please correct me).

VulpesFoxnik said:
When people who refer to the languages as moonspeak, or start calling the translators Wapanese, this is a problem with hostility to the presence of these words and justifications on why some things are tagged some way.

It's good to learn not to take everything on the Internet too seriously. While I'm sure there are people who say things like that with hatred in their heart, most people are just goofing around or trolling.

I've even been known to jokingly call syllabic and logographic languages moonspeak on occasions.

The problem with the Internet, as we all know, is the difficulty in conveying sarcasm and jesting.

Marbles said:
The problem with the Internet, as we all know, is the difficulty in conveying sarcasm and jesting.

yeah
THAT'S the problem
pfffffffffffffffffff
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FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

I've been a member here for probably about two months now. I've posted a few pieces I thought people would like, added a sensible tag here and there (but never removed any), directed a few members here to artwork they were looking for, and recommended the site to others.

I may not be the best member, but I'm sure I'm far from the worst. I like this site, am slightly embarrassed to say that I probably visit it more often than any other single site, and I've never done, nor ever would do, anything that would lessen this site in any way.

But without looking at anything else I've done here, the admin "hates" me, labels me a vandal, and wants to ban me over this issue. I sincerely say Mellis, that I hope in your day-to-day dealings with others, you are judged a bit more fairly than how you've judged me.

And although I don't have access to the same information as the admins, I'm going to state that the traffic at e621 has probably increased steadily since it's launch. That, despite the existence of tags such as:

kfc_for_dinner_tonight
get_it_off_me_get_it_off_me!
the_goggles_they_do_nothing
fuck_you_tim

…terms in the tag list that I'm sure no one is searching on. Honestly, I think the content here is so strong, and the members here are so drawn to it, that there's really very little that could drive them away. Certainly not something as minor as different images appearing alongside the images they were searching for.

I added "sea angels" to be helpful. I thought it would assist the members on this site in finding these pics. I'm going to stick to my guns on this, and I guess that means I'll be banned.

As I told VF before, I like her and still do. I just saw this issue differently than her. And thanks to the guys who were with me on this. Some of you took a lot of time out to express your views. And thanks Mellis for the final word.

Oh quit crying. If you honestly think I hate you, some random internet guy I will never meet in my life, over something this trivial, you need to get over yourself.

You seem to be hell-bent on having a cry-fest and leaving in some drama laden fashion with huge walls of text, rather than spending like 10 minutes removing the tags like I asked. Why exactly? It seems that you're doing everything in your power to get banned at this point, and I can't understand why. It's not some epic struggle against the man, it's a goddamn tag. 'Sticking to your guns'? If tagging actually means that much to you on a personal and moral level, perhaps it is best that you take a break because that's not healthy. The only reason I'm annoyed about it? It's now turned into a retagging war and dramabomb spanning multiple forum threads and comment threads on something that should be common sense. Tags shouldn't willingly spread misinformation where it can be helped, this isn't some sort of love/hate thing, it's practicality.

I also wholeheartedly agree, most of those tags are goddamn retarded and should likewise be removed.

Hey, I'm not crying, nor am I trying to actively be banned. Like I said, I like being here.

But I'm holding a stance on something I feel strongly about.
I never intended to start a retagging war, and I don't even know what dramabomb spanning is.

I'll admit it's a bit trivial, and I do have other things going on that are more important. But I guess because so much time has been invested in this, it's become an issue.

C'mon Mellis. You mean you, the admin (and maybe the creator) of a furry art site, have never invested your time and emotion into something that others may find a bit trivial?

Dnice said:
have never invested your time and emotion into something that others may find a bit trivial?

You B wrong there.
Also why should he?

And the main admin is Arcturs.

Fox2K9 said:
You B wrong there.
Also why should he?

And the main admin is Arcturs.

My point here was that the world at large may find the content on this site trivial, but the members, admins and creator do not (me included). And they've all put their time and effort into the creation and maintenance of this site.

Didn't know Arcturs was the main. Thanks.

Mellis, this issue seems to point out a slight deficiency in the system, where two groups of people know the same thing by two different proper names and both groups should probably be allowed to search for that item by the name they know.

Isn't there a better way of handling that sort of rare, unique situation, rather than simply banning me?

"Isn't there a better way of handling that sort of rare, unique situation, rather than simply banning me?"

YES, it's called changing the tags back because one of those tags is incorrect. It's not a rare, unique situation, it's outright adding the wrong tag to something. The fact you think that annoying the mods (and yes, it IS getting annoying now), and being banned is better than just fixing your mistake, it blows my mind.

Considering that you've wasted infintely more energy arguing how mean we are to ban you than it would have taken to just change the tags back, I can only conclude that you WANT to be banned, presumably because you see yourself as some sort of bizarre martyr for furry porn or crusader for the injustices of porn labelling or something equally insane.

Look - If I called dogs 'zardflappers' and only knew them as 'zardflappers' because that's what everyone in my hometown called them, it would be retarded to add a 'zardflapper' tag to every image with a dog, because that tag would be WRONG.

Understood.

I shouldn't have invested this much time and emotion into something like this. But I did. I just can't go back.

I await the ban.

mellis said:
Look - If I called dogs 'zardflappers' and only knew them as 'zardflappers' because that's what everyone in my hometown called them, it would be retarded to add a 'zardflapper' tag to every image with a dog, because that tag would be WRONG.

what if there was a site where 99% of people interested in hearing about dogs went
and everyone there called them zardflappers
and only people with some weird fixation for taxonomy called them dogs
and then to prove all the people on the internet wrong, that guy posted

DOG

in giant block letters all over every page

ok im done

Dnice said:
I await the ban.

Why do people try to attract attention instead of solving problems?

I believe he'll be back soon under another, yet quiet account