I can only imagine what will happen to physics' Standard Model if CERN/LHC can't find the Higgs Boson... or better yet, if they find something new and entirely more exotic. :)

It'd be incredibly exciting to see the universe open new and exciting mysteries within my lifetime.

IJustBurst said:
I think Marbles might be the only person who actually understood the point I was trying to make in this thread ;_;

No.

In fact, you were the person I was thinking of primarily when I said "Ya'll are being idiots" But I figured I wasn't going to point anyone out in particular until you decided to identify yourself.

The main purpose of that wall of text I just typed up, was to say "For all practical and realistic purposes, science can be regarded as infallible."

And that examples of theories being tweaked and improved over time are not proof that it is an imperfect and flawed system, but rather it's proof that the scientific method is perfect and working exactly as designed. For only a perfect system could be self-repairing, self-replicating, and self-improving.

When the scientific method is ignored, you get garbage like the historical geocentric universe, or the modern homeopathy. No matter how people try to dress it up, pseudoscience is by definition not science. Follow the scientific method, or be damned.

Son of a bitch. It's like Im trying to explain something to a 10 year old.

worse, furries

IJustBurst said:
Son of a bitch. It's like Im trying to explain something to a 10 year old.

IJustBurst said:
YOU yourself have nothing to prove it and must trust blind faith. THAT is the essence of science. People are telling you what they THINK is happening, and you believe it because they are PROBABLY right.

So, take every scientific fact you hear with a grain of salt. Because in 100 years, the textbooks will be totally different.

You were the one who called science a faith.

You seem to be under the impression that all science, verified, studied, proven with the scentific method, is indistinguishable from pseudoscience.

Science is not faith. Pseudoscience is faith. That is probably your most grotestice and unforgivable error. You are so blatantly wrong on such a fundamental level, and you have absolutely convinced yourself of this inaccurate belief, that it is pointless trying to hold a conversation with you until you have educated yourself.

Right now, you are on the same level as a Flat Earth Society member.

Understand the difference between science and pseudoscience, and then you may return to the conversation.

Marbles said:
The main purpose of that wall of text I just typed up, was to say "For all practical and realistic purposes, science can be regarded as infallible."

Duhhh do I have issues forming a statement? :<

This is hilarious.

THIS IS SPART... oh, wait... E621~!

But no, really, Marble's pretty spot on. While I wouldn't call science or the scientific method completely infallable (as the only completely infallible technique would be asking God, if he existed and deigned to provide us the answers), it does provide us with the best, most useful explanations of the world around us. It's probably the best that mankind can do.

i think it was the book cosmos that once said, all science is practical for every day purposes, but then it went on to say how once you start applying it to larger and grander things it just didn't hold up right.

Deep Thought:

If we believe none of what we read and only half of what we see, then wouldn't we be traversing the world half-blind?

Not to say that one shouldn't temper third, or even second,-hand information with a measure of disbelief...

only beleive what is obvious and can prove yourself

when people ask the "tree falling in the woods "question, do they think it through? I mean its not gonna fall silently because your not there. It doesnt just decide to float down for unknown reasons.

i also have a question. does anyone have an idea of why i cant access e621 on my laptop. Even now im on my ps3 typing this because ive tried Mozilla firefox, Opera, Google chrome, and IE. they just redirect me. Thought id add that.

question.

some people feel sorry for drug addicts. almost everyone damns drug dealers. but think about this.assuming these were your only two options...

would you rather have your child be a drug dealer, or addict?

Unhealthy debate, same as mentally handicapped or physically handicapped

I believe the anthem for this thread has to be "Funny The Way It Is" by The Dave Matthews Band.

WolfieWolfie1992 said:
I believe the anthem for this thread has to be "Funny The Way It Is" by The Dave Matthews Band.

/google

Hey, that's a really good song...props man.

wolves586 said:
when people ask the "tree falling in the woods "question, do they think it through? I mean its not gonna fall silently because your not there. It doesnt just decide to float down for unknown reasons.

i also have a question. does anyone have an idea of why i cant access e621 on my laptop. Even now im on my ps3 typing this because ive tried Mozilla firefox, Opera, Google chrome, and IE. they just redirect me. Thought id add that.

redirect you where... (sounds like a virus) o.o

nme22 said:
question.

some people feel sorry for drug addicts. almost everyone damns drug dealers. but think about this.assuming these were your only two options...

would you rather have your child be a drug dealer, or addict?

non, which is why you slap some sense into them early on

wolves586 said:
when people ask the "tree falling in the woods "question, do they think it through? I mean its not gonna fall silently because your not there. It doesnt just decide to float down for unknown reasons.

i also have a question. does anyone have an idea of why i cant access e621 on my laptop. Even now im on my ps3 typing this because ive tried Mozilla firefox, Opera, Google chrome, and IE. they just redirect me. Thought id add that.

wrong thread brah

wolves586 said:
when people ask the "tree falling in the woods "question, do they think it through? I mean its not gonna fall silently because your not there. It doesnt just decide to float down for unknown reasons.

Last I checked it was a Koan. It's designed to make you stop thinking, cause Buddhism believes that you can only reach perfection if your brain stops functioning (They should really just self-induce comas and save time).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kōan

In reality, most Koans are fucking stupid at best, and really aren't very mystical thinking questions at all. Most have painfully obvious answers if you actually have any sense in your head. Of course, a Buddhist's response to me saying that would be "duh, you are missing the point. If you think you have an answer to a Koan, you are doing it wrong"

To which my response would be "No, you're just fucking stupid, all getting all up dramatic like such a shallow nonsense question is really something all deep, when it's only deep if you deliberately ignore the obvious" And then I headbutt the Buddhist, and call it a day.

Marbles said:
Last I checked it was a Koan. It's designed to make you stop thinking, cause Buddhism believes that you can only reach perfection if your brain stops functioning (They should really just self-induce comas and save time).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kōan

In reality, most Koans are fucking stupid at best, and really aren't very mystical thinking questions at all. Most have painfully obvious answers if you actually have any sense in your head. Of course, a Buddhist's response to me saying that would be "duh, you are missing the point. If you think you have an answer to a Koan, you are doing it wrong"

To which my response would be "No, you're just fucking stupid, all getting all up dramatic like such a shallow nonsense question is really something all deep, when it's only deep if you deliberately ignore the obvious" And then I headbutt the Buddhist, and call it a day.

i was going to call you stupid, but the headbutt was just too cool

Jazz said:
Unhealthy debate, same as mentally handicapped or physically handicapped

actually, this ones easy. physically handicapped. with technological advances, we are pretty damn close to fixing almost all physical problems. by close, i mean within the next couple hundred years.

Though mentally handicapped can be happy at current state and physically handicapped more likely not. Dun dun dun.

Jazz said:
Though mentally handicapped can be happy at current state and physically handicapped more likely not. Dun dun dun.

true, but they could also be in a constant state of horror and pain.
DUN dun dun DUUUUNNN!!!

nme22 said:
true, but they could also be in a constant state of horror and pain.
DUN dun dun DUUUUNNN!!!

but physiclly handicapped could also be depressed and in pain and terror. Even more so by the realazation of what they may not be able to do. BUT there is also the increased self dependence. I contradicted myself.DUN DuN dun DUN (DUn) DUN DUN DING DONG DUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNN

deep thought. if there is twilight which is for girls, where's the men's equivalent to it, and im not talking twilight spoof, im talking massive all out blood gore guns and explosions ladden 3 hour movie non stop, fuck the story development start with action and only go harder from there movie?

Any shit that mass production spits out as often as twilight, but not for girls? Blade? whatever

nah, i mean MOAR, kinda like planet terror

....i like tacos

while for your level that may be a deep thought, it's actually more of a statement fyi

Yes, I adore tacos as well, but this is not Taco Bell.
This is not the thread nor the place to talk about them in...

I dream of a day when mankind finally invents a way to convert our body mass into tacos.

Marbles said:
I dream of a day when mankind finally invents a way to convert our body mass into tacos.

that or pizza

what if your hands were made of hot pockets?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHnr72AsgIU

why does one ask a question, that one doesn't want, nor needs, the answer to?

why do you break your own question?

niko_bellic said:
deep thought. if there is twilight which is for girls, where's the men's equivalent to it, and im not talking twilight spoof, im talking massive all out blood gore guns and explosions ladden 3 hour movie non stop, fuck the story development start with action and only go harder from there movie?

Dexter.
And I'm not talking about the infantile scientist.

Thought:
It says quite a bit about the human condition when the initial response to almost any form of input is an unhealthy mix of sarcasm and cynicism.

Anonymity breeds animosity.

to prove your point and to show it wasn't to deep at the same time, someone else already said that

niko_bellic said:
what if your hands were made of hot pockets?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHnr72AsgIU

you would be the first one to be eaten and surive a situration

something tells me they really like tenacious D

http://www.deepthoughtsbyjackhandey.com/media.asp?file=046

http://www.deepthoughtsbyjackhandey.com/media.asp?file=042

http://www.deepthoughtsbyjackhandey.com/media.asp?file=041

http://www.deepthoughtsbyjackhandey.com/media.asp?file=040

http://www.deepthoughtsbyjackhandey.com/today.asp

deep.

swamprootwolf said:

http://www.deepthoughtsbyjackhandey.com/media.asp?file=041

http://www.deepthoughtsbyjackhandey.com/media.asp?file=040

http://www.deepthoughtsbyjackhandey.com/today.asp

deep.

I thought these were hilarious especially the one with the children's children.

Burninghart said:
Indeed. I don't see straight people getting a "straight pride parade". >-> We'd probably be prosecuted for bashing gays if we did that.

gays don't have pride for being gay, we have pride for being able to be open about being gay and still being alive afterwards...or at least I do. yes, I'm proud of being who I am, but who isn't? Native Americans have Native American pride, African Americans have their pride. The only people who don't seem to have pride are straight white men. even white women have Feminine pride.

niko_bellic said:
if homosexuals want to be treated like everyone else, why do they ask for special rights? (i'm not trying to be all inclusive in this, just the ones that complain)

I don't want special rights, I just want the same rights as straight people: marriage rights, equal housing rights, equal job rights, etc. and I'm sure there are a lot of people on here who agree with me...or at least a few.

anyway...deep thought...
If history is doomed to repeat itself, why learn it? won't that give someone the idea to repeat it sooner?

RlctntFr said:
I was looking at post #12737 and realized that, while it looks like a simple enough image, without knowing the artist's original intent I think it's an interesting image that says a lot about art and sexuality. At first glance it looks like a regular pinup of a woman character, but the fact that the outline for the chest doesn't recede back towards the body makes the entire image ambiguous.

It could be a woman with small breasts. It could be a woman with normal breasts and a loose vest. It could be a drawing error. <i>Or</i> it could be a prepubescent girl. Or it could be a crossdressing guy. If that one line veered back just a tiny bit the ambiguity would be removed.
And this is all besides the fact that whatever it is has cervine ears and tail, and the fact that it doesn't actually show much nudity in the first place.

I'm sure this isn't an isolated incident, but this is the only time I've actually sat and thought about it for awhile.

And I still can't decide how to tag the damn thing.

I don't know how deep this is and it kinda goes with RlctntFr just said but...
If two straight people who dislike each other are allowed to be married then how come two gay people who love each other are not allowed to be married(or at least in certain states.)

cookiekangaroo said:
gays don't have pride for being gay, we have pride for being able to be open about being gay and still being alive afterwards...or at least I do. yes, I'm proud of being who I am, but who isn't? Native Americans have Native American pride, African Americans have their pride. The only people who don't seem to have pride are straight white men. even white women have Feminine pride.

i think you're missing the point, the point is WHY do a damn parade, there's no reason for one, and if a straight guy tries it, they get shot down

I don't want special rights, I just want the same rights as straight people: marriage rights, equal housing rights, equal job rights, etc. and I'm sure there are a lot of people on here who agree with me...or at least a few.

you missed the clause son, read harder

anyway...deep thought...
If history is doomed to repeat itself, why learn it? won't that give someone the idea to repeat it sooner?

because you can deal with it faster

skeeter said:
I don't know how deep this is and it kinda goes with RlctntFr just said but...
If two straight people who dislike each other are allowed to be married then how come two gay people who love each other are not allowed to be married(or at least in certain states.)

because they're gay obviously

nme22 said:
question.

some people feel sorry for drug addicts. almost everyone damns drug dealers. but think about this.assuming these were your only two options...

would you rather have your child be a drug dealer, or addict?

Dealer. then they can pay my bills.

non, slap some sense into them damn kids

niko_bellic said:
non, slap some sense into them damn kids

spare the rod, spoil the child :D

niko_bellic said:
and if a straight guy tries it, they get shot down

http://www.smthop.com/article.aspx?newsnum=1021

haha fuck you http://ioj.com/v/a4dba

niko_bellic said:
something tells me they really like tenacious D

no surprizingly, I mean there alright, I really like city hall for exmaple, green jelly and mc lars are more of my thing comedy music wise

Marbles said:
Last I checked it was a Koan. It's designed to make you stop thinking, cause Buddhism believes that you can only reach perfection if your brain stops functioning (They should really just self-induce comas and save time).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kōan

In reality, most Koans are fucking stupid at best, and really aren't very mystical thinking questions at all. Most have painfully obvious answers if you actually have any sense in your head. Of course, a Buddhist's response to me saying that would be "duh, you are missing the point. If you think you have an answer to a Koan, you are doing it wrong"

To which my response would be "No, you're just fucking stupid, all getting all up dramatic like such a shallow nonsense question is really something all deep, when it's only deep if you deliberately ignore the obvious" And then I headbutt the Buddhist, and call it a day.

coming from a former buddhist, most buddhist don't care about the riddles in the religeon, most are part of it because of cultural, family reasons or the fact its seems to be more peaceful than most religeons (i.e. christianty or islam)

The level of ignorance surrounding the modern Christian is astounding.

IJustBurst said:
The level of ignorance surrounding the modern Christian is astounding.

depends on the christian...

just like everything, there are exceptions.

niko_bellic said:
haha fuck you http://ioj.com/v/a4dba

The page loads just fine for me:
http://i33.tinypic.com/sy074y.jpg

Point is, people actually have started straight pride parades, but the attendance is next to nothing.

you got any active antivirus running?

I'm not running Windows.

then you lost already, sorry.

niko_bellic said:
then you lost already, sorry.

lol wut?

no_fun said:
coming from a former buddhist, most buddhist don't care about the riddles in the religeon, most are part of it because of cultural, family reasons or the fact its seems to be more peaceful than most religeons (i.e. christianty or islam)

Aww shucks. It was just a playful jab. You buddhists are my brothers and sisters, I tell you what. You seek self-improvement without deity worship? I seek self-improvement without deity worship! Okay so we take different routes, but our hearts are still in the same place. Mi casa su casa. Tu es mi familia!

IJustBurst said:
The level of ignorance surrounding the modern Christian is astounding.

Someone is in denial.

Oh sure there are great Christians out there, but they are by far a minority.

People who are all like "Oh I don't hate homosexuals. I love the person, hate the sin" are no better than the people who run around saying "I hate fags." Heck, they are probably even worse. At least those Westboro dudes are honest; unlike the Westboro dudes, most Christians are ashamed of their hatred, but rather than learn to love, they'd instead prefer to delude themselves and lie to everyone that "No no, what I'm doing isn't hate! Really! I just don't think homosexuals should marry because I want to protect the sanctity of marriage! And homosexuals shouldn't adopt children, because ya know, you gotta think about the children! It's much better for a child to spend years in foster care, possibly never getting adopted, rather than be adopted by a loving couple that happens to be homosexual!"

Yes I'm strawmanning. No I don't care. Fun fact: There's a nice little politician running for office near where I live. What is his campaign? Well it's a lot of fancy words, but it boils down to "My opponent loves fags. Now, I hate fags, and I know you hate fags too, so you should vote for me!" I swear, I've never heard anything out of his mouth yet, which wasn't about his disapproval of homosexuals. Probably the pentacle of his entire campaign, was when he was criticizing his opponent for her support of a program which was designed to help reduce the suicide rate of homosexual teens, and stated that one of the first things he would do in office is ban that program.

...

Now, that being said, are there really awesome Christians out there? Of course. I used to go to one of them myself for the last year before I quit being a Christian. Strangely enough a United Methodist Church (Which falls comfortably into the anti-gay-but-in-denial category), though admittedly the church itself was no longer "accredited" by the United Methodist Council, in no small part due to the fact that the church's two pastors are an openly gay couple. Very sweet guys. I still can't believe that one of them was beaten to death a few months ago by a bunch of homophobic kids.

ANYWAY. Even the straights there were awesome people. Even the straights were like, walking paragons of Jesus Christ. Human embodiments of the love that Jesus taught. And yet, such a thing is so incredibly rare and uncommon. The sad reality is, even though I can point out these examples of good Christians, they are outnumbered 20 to 1 by wicked, cruel, hateful Christians.

There's a point where I have to step back, and honestly look at the religion and say "If you are a good person, why... WHY? Would you willingly be a part of a religion which is so utterly overwhelmingly consumed by hatred?" And that was where I stepped back, and decided that it wasn't worth it to be Christian. In a religion of hate, you can fight against the stream and try to love, but why? Why fight to prove that "You are one of the different ones?" instead of simply not being one of them?

arc said:
lol wut?

well, if you're not running windows, your probably running mac. to be honest, i dislike apple, because they are trying to monopolize the industry by making their stuff only compatible with their other stuff. windows is compatible with...just about everything.

You've got to be kidding. Microsoft is the main monopolist. Windows is compatible "with just about everything" because they have a very big piece of desktop market.

Just stay away from OS holywar, I believe noone wants it here. Comments like "then you lost already, sorry" are pretty childish.

P.S. Also, Marbles, you're probably mixing a religion and, dunno, church, when people use religion as an excuse (since the any kind of religion was born?)

nme22 said:
well, if you're not running windows, your probably running mac.

No, I'm running Fedora, and I have my own reasons for running it on my system.

Jazz said:
Comments like "then you lost already, sorry" are pretty childish.

Jazz said:
P.S. Also, Marbles, you're probably mixing a religion and, dunno, church, when people use religion as an excuse (since the any kind of religion was born?)

I'm not sure I understand the distinction.

Are you saying I should include non-practicing Christians? If a person does not go to a church, or read a bible, or pray, or do anything which might be associated with the religion other than "I'm a Christian. I believe there may be God and Jesus... probably.... well at least possibly... please don't quote me on that." I don't know if you can really count them as Christians. Rather they are people who grew up with Christian parents, and call themselves Christians just because that's what their parents called them, and that's what they've always been, and they are too apathetic to the whole subject to even bother saying they don't give a damn.

Jazz said:
You've got to be kidding. Microsoft is the main monopolist. Windows is compatible "with just about everything" because they have a very big piece of desktop market.

they are the main monopolist, because they're good at what they do. it's not like they're trying to wipe out all other companies. notice how much software/hardware works with microsoft, that's not from microsoft. unlike apple, where if you buy a song from i-tunes, you almost have to use an i-pod. speaking of which, remember the whole "jailbreaking" thing?

regardless this is off topic.

Marbles said:
People who are all like "Oh I don't hate homosexuals. I love the person, hate the sin" are no better than the people who run around saying "I hate fags."

sure does smell biased in here.

Marbles said:
The sad reality is, even though I can point out these examples of good Christians, they are outnumbered 20 to 1 by wicked, cruel, hateful Christians.

i agree with you there i've met some badas people from several religions, but just like everything, someone has it fuck it up for the rest of us. just like furries got the OMG ZOOPHILIA FURSUITS CUB PORN FUCK YES MURRRRRRRRRR kind of people, so do cristians

eh, i don't know too much about fedora, so i can't say anything about it. the only linux based OS i've used is ubuntu, and that didn't work out for me.

Marbles, Christian religion in general doesn't tell anyone "gather alltogether and hate fags". It's like catholics burning protestants in the name of the Lord in the dark ages, and has almost nothing to do with the world view.

nme22 said:
they are the main monopolist, because they're good at what they do. it's not like they're trying to wipe out all other companies.

Microsoft is making software based on closed standards. Good examples are OOXML or exFAT. If you want to be 100% compatible with it — you can use only Microsoft products.

nme22 said:
...
regardless this is off topic.

Then stop replying to it. If you post a response, people are going to respond to it.

Jazz said:
Marbles, Christian religion in general doesn't tell anyone "gather alltogether and hate fags". It's like catholics burning protestants in the name of the Lord in the dark ages, and has almost nothing to do with the world view.

Of course, that's my very point. The number of Christians who are actually Christlike is quite a small number. The complete and utterly overwhelming majority simply use Christianity as an excuse to filter their hatred through.

The religion seems doomed when it's core members and organizational structure is one of hatred, that is in complete conflict with their founder's desires.

So much so that it's hard to understand why there are still those few good Christians still in the religion; it seems like that they would have jumped ship rather than continue to be associated with evil people. Instead, they have split off, created their own churches, usually one out of every few dozen churches, where they actually preach and practice love and tolerance, and sit there quietly while the hateful majority sullies their good name. And frankly I don't understand why; at that point, you might as well just leave the religion. But oh well, people make their choices.

EDIT: If you are trying to say that your Christians in Britain, or Australia, or Canada, are better than American's Christians. Well, you may very well be right. But then again, between the four major english speaking nations, we hardly make up the majority of Christians in the world. Going into third world countries, Christians become increasingly violent and even militaristic. If you want to take a world-wide view, it's only going to hurt your position, and I would discourage you from trying to make that argument.

Duh, I can't really understand how person can leave the religion. Sounds like "God, your folowers are fags! How could you? I'm leaving" (sorry if it offends you). Probably that's why people start new churches.

On a side note about how bad Christian church can be, you should check out Russian Orthodox Church, it's Christianity + Paganism xD

arc said:
Then stop replying to it. If you post a response, people are going to respond to it.

well it's one of those things. i can't let it go, because i'll think about it later. perhaps it's because humans think that being right is so important, we make it a priority.

there's a deep thought

just to prove your point, i pondered on why there wouldn't be that many people on teh straight parade, then the conclusion hit me. why would people go to a straight parade? they don't the support or the need to feel belonging, they just about their business because nothing is different. i'm not sure im getting teh point along right

niko_bellic said:
just to prove your point, i pondered on why there wouldn't be that many people on teh straight parade, then the conclusion hit me. why would people go to a straight parade? they don't the support or the need to feel belonging, they just about their business because nothing is different. i'm not sure im getting teh point along right

Would help if that paragraph was coherent. :(

niko_bellic said:
just to prove your point, i pondered on why there wouldn't be that many people on teh straight parade, then the conclusion hit me. why would people go to a straight parade? they don't the support or the need to feel belonging, they just about their business because nothing is different. i'm not sure im getting teh point along right

Yeah. I don't go to any pride parades anyway. While my partner is a very queer butch woman, I'm more mundane.

I'm not really paranoid, but I don't like sticking my neck out either, and generally go around trying to make sure as few people as possible know I'm a lesbian. I've seen too many of my friends over the years get hurt because they are homosexual, and I'd rather not become one of their numbers. There is something very chilling about finding out that your pastors were attacked by a group of no less than 16 teenage punk kids, who beat them up in a public park for no reason other than because the two were gay, and the kids felt like it. They were lucky; they were down on their knees with guns to their heads, about ready to be killed execution style, when the police arrived and saved them.

I figure, for now, it's simply wise to not go around waving my "I'm a lesbian" flag. Yes I'm probably most accurately defined as a coward. Yes, members of the LGBT civil rights movement would pretty much spit on me for it. But oh well, I have an allegiance to myself and my partner before I have an allegiance to the gay community. So sue me.

Marbles said:
The number of Christians who are actually Christlike is quite a small number. The complete and utterly overwhelming majority simply use Christianity as an excuse to filter their hatred through.

I was not aware that people ACTUALLY think like this. Wow.
I am blown away by your ignorance.